tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1891795865884547890..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Ed Vaizey Slams Simon Heffer as a "Marxist Sleeper"Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40566504636459028572008-04-07T17:56:00.000+01:002008-04-07T17:56:00.000+01:00Ed Vaizey is of course right. The idea that the od...Ed Vaizey is of course right. The idea that the odious Heffer is a Tory is completely laughableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66031845718025127042008-04-07T07:47:00.000+01:002008-04-07T07:47:00.000+01:00Asquith.Only a few Tories believe in anything appr...Asquith.<BR/><BR/><I>Only a few Tories believe in anything approaching true liberalism</I><BR/><BR/>The Lib Dems are a socialist party. They have nothing to do with Liberalism what so ever. In fact the unreconstructed 80s Conservatism you dislike is far closer to real liberalism, than anything we have seen in this country for generations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34031536591469652282008-04-07T07:45:00.000+01:002008-04-07T07:45:00.000+01:00Anyone who is:1) Politically aware,2) Right of Cen...Anyone who is:<BR/><BR/>1) Politically aware,<BR/>2) Right of Centre<BR/>3) Not a complete Facist<BR/><BR/>will never have anything good to say about Gordon Brown. (I wonder why anyone left of centre would either, but thats another matter.)<BR/><BR/>The fact that Heffer has been so approving of GB in the past, raises lots of questions about his real views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9003659975092274812008-04-06T12:01:00.000+01:002008-04-06T12:01:00.000+01:00Well, the joke's on me. I'd always assumed Heffer...Well, the joke's on me. I'd always assumed Heffer was a mildly eccentric lefty who made a living by thinking of vaguely right wing things to say for shock value. Now you people tell me he's right wing. Oh well, live and learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80827913572581413362008-04-06T00:22:00.000+01:002008-04-06T00:22:00.000+01:00Actually it is Cameron and his LibDem lite clique ...Actually it is Cameron and his LibDem lite clique who are undermining any future Conservative Government by ensuring that it will be anything but conservative. Heffer is one of the few true voices left and is worth 1000 Ed Vaizey's. The real left wing sleepers are the Cameroons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3826688116440271442008-04-05T23:53:00.000+01:002008-04-05T23:53:00.000+01:00Heffer is a nut job. The Conservative Party was ne...Heffer is a nut job. The Conservative Party was never an authoritarian Party as far as far back as I can remember. <BR/><BR/>Any one that could possibly support anything Gordon Brown has done for 11 years can't possibly be a conservative or a Conservative. Conservative voter maybe sometimes, but not member.<BR/><BR/>Heffer is a fascist. A parody of what The Labour Party has always so dishonestly always claimed the Conservative Party to be. If for no other reason than to divert peoples attention from who the real FASCISTS are. Which is The Labour Party.<BR/><BR/>As a long time Conservative Party member I can clearly state Heffer does not represent one little bit any type of thinking I have ever experienced at a constituency meeting.<BR/><BR/>Cameron however is almost a perfect representative of modern and not so modern Conservative Party thinking. Even though Cameron does not always perfectly represent my own.<BR/><BR/>This is just the plane reality of the matter, for better or worse. It is Heffer that is complately out of touch with the Party he says he used to support.<BR/><BR/>Although the good news is that the Labour Party think Heffer is representative of Conservative Party membership thinking. Which is a big mistake. The Labour Party are still waiting for a divide to emerge. Which it most certainly will not for a long time to come. I guess not until Cameron loses an election, at least.<BR/><BR/>Believe this or not, it makes no difference to me, it is just the honest reality as I see it.<BR/><BR/>Never in my entire time in the Conservative Party has it ever been so confident and supportive of its leader in opposition. That includes the only 30% that did not vote for him.<BR/><BR/>Having said all that. <BR/><BR/>What politicians say to get elected is one thing. It is what they do in power which is the thing that really matters. Which is just as good, as I personally do not like much of what Cameron says, even though I simply love the way he says it.<BR/><BR/>Atlas ShruggedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86629808543999339132008-04-05T23:30:00.000+01:002008-04-05T23:30:00.000+01:00Jesus! That was boring! And I'm a bit of an Anorak...Jesus! That was boring! And I'm a bit of an Anorak.........<BR/>Ian, is it true that you're secretly a straight, married and have 7 wives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22168399440181639442008-04-05T22:47:00.000+01:002008-04-05T22:47:00.000+01:00Verity, we realise that you have a problem with sp...Verity, we realise that you have a problem with spelling - sink comprehensives have a lot to answer for - but have you ever heard of Spellcheck? You should get someone to explain it to you some time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9436102670258891402008-04-05T22:20:00.000+01:002008-04-05T22:20:00.000+01:00Verity said .... "I assume ARITHMATIC isn't her st...Verity said .... "I assume ARITHMATIC isn't her strong point?"<BR/><BR/>Just as spelling isn't your strong point, though you jump on other people who make the odd spelling mistake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13234971064540349262008-04-05T20:13:00.000+01:002008-04-05T20:13:00.000+01:00'Lazy Vaizey' is all that is wrong with politics/p...'Lazy Vaizey' is all that is wrong with politics/politicians today. He's a bloody softie ex-lawyer/media figure. His 'Wright Stuff' appearances are excreta of the first order. 'Lazy' should reflect that it's his political ilk that are driving people away from politics in droves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88569211573557815962008-04-05T20:07:00.000+01:002008-04-05T20:07:00.000+01:00Verity - no, my delightful missus is by her own co...Verity - no, my delightful missus is by her own confession not a political animal, she's actually a hard-working medical student so has other mind on other things.<BR/><BR/>I'm not suprised you missed the thrust of my earlier post - I'm sure I'm not Iain's only reader who views your posting in much the same light. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34961745492306127292008-04-05T19:39:00.000+01:002008-04-05T19:39:00.000+01:00Verity. No, your point doesn't stand. You delibera...Verity. No, your point doesn't stand. You deliberately misinterpreted David's first post to try and slap him down because you didn't agree with his point, which is that Simon Heffer's articles read like a bad parody of a chuntering blue-rinse no-mark petit bourgeois from the Home Counties who think that we would have cakewalked the 2001 election with a *bit more* on tax cuts Europe and immigration, and didn't because *we weren't right-wing enough*.<BR/><BR/>Which they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4708158281621029482008-04-05T19:37:00.000+01:002008-04-05T19:37:00.000+01:00If anyone wants a comment to judge the suitability...If anyone wants a comment to judge the suitability of Heffer as a political commentator, especially for The Telegraph, they should consider the comment he makes about the Labour Party having a clear ideology.<BR/><BR/>They have no ideology at all, jump from policy to policy as and when it suits them, and dumped all their true socialist ideology in the 80's. They are the ultimate politically pragmatic party.<BR/><BR/>Is Heffer a Conservative? I think the answer to that question is that Heffer embodies what the left want everyone to believe a Conservative is. Hateful, unwilling to change, self centred, pious, a snob, a nimby, xenophobic and a tremendous bore!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56936378758781598062008-04-05T17:52:00.000+01:002008-04-05T17:52:00.000+01:00David - My point stands. Think about it.David - My point stands. Think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78396170475730552132008-04-05T17:07:00.000+01:002008-04-05T17:07:00.000+01:00I don't know what Heffer is, but he certainly isn'...I don't know what Heffer is, but he certainly isn't a Conservative. His columns a littered with suggestions for the gross expansions of the state and the curtailment of individual liberty. He was a cheerleader for Gordon Brown when it was fashionable but quickly turned his coat when this started to make him look absurd. Throughout he has lost no opportunity to criticise the Conservatives in general and David Cameron in particular, as if there was some other political force that will remove the Labour government that he pretends to despise.<BR/><BR/>The only question with Heffer is if he really does have a hidden agenda or if he just writes what he thinks will help pay the rent, and damn anyone foolish enough to assume in counts for anything.Steve Horganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13689714700049747836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32318907385227024982008-04-05T16:14:00.000+01:002008-04-05T16:14:00.000+01:00"How did she compute that Simon Heffer, who has be..."How did she compute that Simon Heffer, who has been a nationally-known columnist since around 1995, might really be Ali G, who made his national debut around five years later?"<BR/><BR/>If you are going to try and take the piss out of someone, it's probably a good idea to actually be able to read what they have said.<BR/><BR/>Note the word 'type' after Ali G; i.e. that Heffer is the same sort of spoof character, not Ali G himself. And just so you couldn't possibly miss the meaning, the Tory boy character is then mentioned.<BR/><BR/>And it's quite accurate I think; even if he himself is quite serious about what he writes, Heffer is simply a parody of an ideologue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82744052367637050072008-04-05T15:55:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:55:00.000+01:00The host of that programme is absolutely woeful. H...The host of that programme is absolutely woeful. He simply isn't capable of hosting a programme.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62349441717798946012008-04-05T15:51:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:51:00.000+01:00Heffer's heart tells him he is still a Conservativ...Heffer's heart tells him he is still a Conservative, but his head tells him the Conservative is part of the problem for this country - not least its sell out to the EU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59212537222613524982008-04-05T15:35:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:35:00.000+01:00Wallenstein, no offence, but your wife doesn't sou...Wallenstein, no offence, but your wife doesn't sound as though politics is her strong point. How did she compute that Simon Heffer, who has been a nationally-known columnist since around 1995, might really be Ali G, who made his national debut around five years later?<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps she meant to say she thinks Borat is really Simon Heffer?<BR/><BR/>I assume arithmatic isn't her strong point? And "She still won't believe he's serious!" - with an exclamation point! to cue the reader! that you are making! a killer point! I suggest you sit your wife down and have a little talk with her.<BR/><BR/>I seldom, if ever, agree with David Lindsay, but he is very sound on this.<BR/><BR/>Ezra - Agreed. Hitchens is a former Communist, long since having seen the error of his youthful ways, so it follows that Heffer must be a former Communist as well? No? That's not what Vaizey thinks?<BR/><BR/>OK. Try again. Hitchens is a <I>former</I> Communist, therefore, by some arcane ledgerdemain, Simon Heffer is a <I>current</I> Communist? Uh ...<BR/><BR/>I wonder what it is in Heffer's pleasingly right wing writing that these people, including the raving Ed Vaizey, haven't managed to get their heads round. Iain's site is often infested with demob-happy nut jobs on Saturday mornings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18743177613392155702008-04-05T15:24:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:24:00.000+01:00So Heffer/Hitchens are Marxists because they expre...So Heffer/Hitchens are Marxists because they express disgust at the Marxist policies embraced by the "Conservative" party? <BR/>You clowns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29502527769007601072008-04-05T15:23:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:23:00.000+01:00So Heffer/Hitchens are Marxists because they expre...So Heffer/Hitchens are Marxists because they express disgust at the Marxist policies embraced by the "Conservative" party? <BR/>You clowns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65839489718282097322008-04-05T15:19:00.000+01:002008-04-05T15:19:00.000+01:00Is that not closer to a Marxist's beliefs than a t...<EM>Is that not closer to a Marxist's beliefs than a true blue Tory?</EM><BR/><BR/>Who is the real Tory out of Simon Heffer and David Cameron? The answer is self-evident, everyone knows. The idea that Heffer is comparable to a Marxist is nonsense, and the illiberal campaign to get him banned from the Telegraph is quite bizarre coming from self-proclaimed 'liberal conservatives'. Their justification for doing so is that he gives succour to the enemy. Well we've all heard that excuse for political repression! Who's the Marxist now!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5382774901572178322008-04-05T14:25:00.000+01:002008-04-05T14:25:00.000+01:00What really worries me is people like you who are ...What really worries me is people like you who are basically unregenerate 80s tyoes but are going along with Camoron in the hope/belief that he'll win. Only a few Tories believe in anything approaching true liberalism. That's what we should worry about, not a few UKIP trolls.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70291143170531665002008-04-05T14:03:00.000+01:002008-04-05T14:03:00.000+01:00Pure paranoia.Listen to what Hitchens and Heffer s...Pure paranoia.<BR/>Listen to what Hitchens and Heffer say, rather than looking for sinister motives. <BR/>They speak for a lot of ex-Tory voters.<BR/>It's up to Brown to lose the next election, and heir to Blair will have little effect on the outcome.Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81703665186720531412008-04-05T13:57:00.000+01:002008-04-05T13:57:00.000+01:00For a long while my wife assumed that Simon Heffer...For a long while my wife assumed that Simon Heffer was an Ali G. type figure - a grown-up version of Harry Enfiel's Tory Boy, deliberately played as parody - and she used to be amazed that he could keep "in-character" so convincingly.<BR/><BR/>She still won't quite believe he's serious!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com