tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1889960127651972101..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: In Support of Tim Ireland and Craig MurrayIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11068226360179667322007-11-02T14:16:00.000+00:002007-11-02T14:16:00.000+00:00..Seeing all the froth Usmanov has managed to gene.....<BR/><BR/><BR/>Seeing all the froth Usmanov has managed to generate made me chuckle.<BR/><BR/>I mean shutting down a Blog is exactly what makes it's readers think there is some truth in what the writer has to say. The shear idiocy of Usmanov and Schillings... They couldn't have done a better job of publicising Usmanov's murky past if they hired Max Clifford.<BR/><BR/>Always glad to see a mug taken to the cleaners....afolarinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796863933512139472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74273329826497225592007-10-07T21:31:00.000+01:002007-10-07T21:31:00.000+01:00This demonstrates that Stalinism is not so much de...This demonstrates that Stalinism is not so much dead but undead. <BR/><BR/>Does this mean that any negative mention of Stalin and its hilarious creed will lead to KGB knocking on your door and whisking you off to an unforgettable in Siberia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64142985692146715992007-09-27T19:04:00.000+01:002007-09-27T19:04:00.000+01:00Matt, Thanks for that link. Very illuminating.Matt, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for that link. Very illuminating.dancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602317542835425735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63537476404040365202007-09-27T01:22:00.000+01:002007-09-27T01:22:00.000+01:00Remodelled as the art lover Alisher Creosotemanov....Remodelled as the art lover <A HREF="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2007/09/creosmanov-low-life-gangster-b-heads.html" REL="nofollow">Alisher Creosotemanov</A>.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20633944672059218702007-09-26T13:14:00.000+01:002007-09-26T13:14:00.000+01:00What Dancer says sounds about right to me, even if...What Dancer says sounds about right to me, even if I were to miss the resultant traffic.<BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80875999369266460252007-09-25T13:14:00.000+01:002007-09-25T13:14:00.000+01:00bf bache:You addressed those remarks to me? I didn...bf bache:<BR/><BR/>You addressed those remarks to me? I didn't ask for your opinion of Craig Murray, thank you. I have my own. And it is clearly diametrically opposed to yours.<BR/><BR/>I asked a question about the hosting of blogs. If you can't answer it, please don't use me as an excuse for a rant of your own.<BR/><BR/>Human rights in Usbekistan, and the use of of (highly questionable) "intelligence" obtained through torture is obviously not one of your major concerns. It seems that Murray-bashing is.<BR/><BR/>If the mainstream media paid more attention to Craig Murray's experiences and less to party conferences, Madeleine McCann, nudie pics, and Britney Spears, et al, the world just might be a better place for all of us.dancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602317542835425735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75977284578128097692007-09-24T23:48:00.000+01:002007-09-24T23:48:00.000+01:00Dancer: Great Britain is free. The unwritten const...Dancer: Great Britain is free. The unwritten constitution is secure. No one is throwing Craig Murray into the Gulag. He is no John Peter Zenger. He is no Georgi Markov. He is no Anna Politkovskaya. He has committed no crime. The dispute between him and Mr. Usmanov is wholly within the competence of the civil courts of which either man may avail himself, should he choose to do so.<BR/><BR/>Craig Murray jerked the wrong man around, a man of means who was not willing to accept nonsense from an 'activist', a neurotic insubordinate character whose principal success with his sole opportunity as ambassador was to disgrace himself, to destroy his career at the FO and to be threatened by the Treasury Solicitor; thus Murray's webhost received a demand letter.<BR/><BR/>His webhost complied. It had a right to request its legal counsel to examine Murray's weblog. It had a right not to enable Murray. It had a right to defend its interest by turning away entirely the custom of a loose cannon with a martyr complex.<BR/><BR/>If Mr. Usmanov thinks he has been harmed unjustly by Murray, he may exercise his rights, the same rights Murray possesses, as he sees fit. He has the right to complain & to seek redress within the courts & without, using all legal means and venues, including those legal means and venues Murray wishes he would not use. He has the right to complain, to inform, to give guidance to those who do business with Murray, to gather sympathizers & to seek moral redress.<BR/><BR/>Too many people have the curious notion that freedom of speech means freedom from (societal)consequences (for misbehavior).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Postscript: There have been many powerful and true blogger-driven stories, blogstorms: Harriet Miers, Kathy Sierra, Mike Nifong, illegal migration into the United States, etc. None were driven by 'activists', 'net kooks, obscure blogs looking for extra traffic, and the smattering of one-off blog entries by mistaken well-known respectables as this nonsense in aid of a crackpot is.<BR/><BR/>What substantive story with legs needs this puffery: "There are now at least 200 blogs covering this story. Chicken Yoghurt has the details, and the history. It is also being covered by fully one-third of the Top 100 Bloggers in the Country - based on the list published at this time last year by Iain Dale." (Matthew Wardman), or "According to Chris Paul, 224 bloggers have protested about this, the list is still growing, it’s been phenomenal." (Ellee Seymour) <BR/><BR/>This story is so important and compelling that the majority of those blogs have moved on, back to Brown and the conference, back to Cameron thrashing about, back to Ming and how long he can hang on, back to the Northern Rock, back to Madeleine McCann, back to nudie pics, the Britney Spears trainwreck, the rum-soaked antics of Amy Winehouse and the latest viral video. And of course fully two thirds of the top 100 bloggers in the country, based on the list published at this time last year by Iain Dale have to date shown no interest in this story whatsoever.<BR/><BR/>No. No blogstorm with this lot, just a clutch of enablers in Craig Murray's decade long campaign of self-destruction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39843407226889164542007-09-24T15:33:00.000+01:002007-09-24T15:33:00.000+01:00From what I've read on Craig's blog, he would like...From what I've read on Craig's blog, he would like nothing better than his day in court. There is much he would like to say, and expose!<BR/><BR/>Could someone clarify one point for me? Is there any reason why Craig can't go straight back online with a Blogger blog? Aren't they hosted in California?<BR/><BR/>Ok, call me naive ... I don't know all the legal angles.dancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06602317542835425735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53571459109096806242007-09-24T05:32:00.000+01:002007-09-24T05:32:00.000+01:00As an Arsenal fan and as a citizen, I hope Craig M...As an Arsenal fan and as a citizen, I hope Craig Murray gets his day in court, and the whole issue is thoroughly aired.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps he could host his site on a US server?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25542953969363023212007-09-22T20:50:00.000+01:002007-09-22T20:50:00.000+01:00Ah, threats of legal action for doing nothing wron...Ah, threats of legal action for doing nothing wrong but writing stuff a 'big' man doesn't like. Tim and Craig have my sympathy.<BR/><BR/>Hope this is resolved soon; Bozza's site is much missed.Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24805152811342075662007-09-22T12:50:00.000+01:002007-09-22T12:50:00.000+01:00Totally gobsmacked to read this - very worrying in...Totally gobsmacked to read this - very worrying indeed, and it's great that you, Ian, have pointed out this situation.<BR/><BR/>I don't know about others, but I have faithfully kept 3 years worth of blog posts backed up, not only on disc but printed on paper, without really knowing why...<BR/><BR/>I know now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53832513947071869902007-09-22T10:01:00.000+01:002007-09-22T10:01:00.000+01:00All of this points to the need for the Football As...All of this points to the need for the Football Association to look again at its fit and proper rules as to who can own a football club. Football clubs should belong to the community (on whom they depend for their support) rather than foreign businessmen. <BR/><BR/>If you look at the current owners/investors in Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Portsmouth and West Ham (now where the Iclandic backer get his millions from?) some very serious questions need to be asked about where our national game is going.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14869093597552772352007-09-22T06:38:00.000+01:002007-09-22T06:38:00.000+01:00"Anonymous said... This is disgusting and very, ve..."Anonymous said... <BR/>This is disgusting and very, very worrying indeed. What if your West Ham blog ran a comment about the new owner of Man City ? He certainly has a 'past'. "<BR/><BR/>Into military dictatorships are you? Trust what they say? Frank was extremely popular in Thailand, by the way. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous COWARDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69650429161151801612007-09-22T02:19:00.000+01:002007-09-22T02:19:00.000+01:00Isn't this just the sort of story that would inter...Isn't this just the sort of story that would interest the Private Eye (who whatever you think about them have had a track record of defending large liable cases).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46939278706695539302007-09-22T00:13:00.000+01:002007-09-22T00:13:00.000+01:00Buying a British football club is chicken-feed if ...Buying a British football club is chicken-feed if you have billions to squander.<BR/><BR/>But why do it?<BR/><BR/>Well, perhaps you really are a football fan.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps.<BR/>But, if so, why not buy a club in your own country and buy the best footballers on earth to play for it?<BR/>After all, although every man doesn't have his price, most men, alas, will sooner or later take the shilling.<BR/><BR/>But if you need a guaranteed reason to enter Britain easily and whenever you like, owning one of its major football clubs would be a good way to do it.<BR/><BR/>And that would mean you could come and go across Britain's borders and thus be at liberty to organise within the EU and also in the US your normal business - crime in general and fraud, money-laundering and murder in particular.<BR/><BR/>And that is how post-Soviet Russian gangsterism (which makes Al Capone, Legs Diamond and Bugs Malone look as though they really were the children who played them in the film) has entered the UK.<BR/><BR/>And if one of your specialities at home is murdering journalists who try to expose you, you won't think twice about using the heaviest and most dishonourable hammers of the English legal system to silence critics in Britain, nor to gratuitously dismiss some of the most talented people on earth who have had the misfortune to find themselves in your employ, nor to resort to your Russian habits for the disposal of those who won't desist from annoying you.<BR/><BR/>After all, your objective isn't to run your football club successfully, nor to be persona grata with the media, is it?<BR/>It's to give you the access to run your real business.<BR/><BR/>If the police and the intelligence services are serious about stopping Russian murders in Britain, they could start by withdrawing a few peoples' visas and placing in judicially-supervised trust the UK property of such people.<BR/><BR/>This has gone too far and, if not stopped, will go a lot further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30417114306134956112007-09-22T00:04:00.000+01:002007-09-22T00:04:00.000+01:00FYI: Boris' mayoral campaign website is still up, ...FYI: Boris' mayoral campaign website is still up, as it's hosted on a different server. www.backboris.com and www.Boriswatch.com is still up as well. But yes, by taking their sites down as well, the host is now liable for losses from those blogs.<BR/><BR/>If someone is found in court to be defamatory, let those remarks be removed. If someone is just called defamatory, that's hearsay, and no reason to lose a blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25051955592380253102007-09-21T23:58:00.000+01:002007-09-21T23:58:00.000+01:00Ok, - anonymous at 5.15 - I said that the comments...Ok, - anonymous at 5.15 - I said that the comments were clearly defamatory IF UNTRUE - I have read them on another blog where they were cached before Murray's blog got pulled down. Murray makes various offensive accusations, which in my opinion would be defamatory, but it seems a lot of people, including Schillings, agree. Murray may have a defence but he would have to prove it.<BR/><BR/>And Graeme... ISP are publishers - and whether you like it or not the law in England treats them as such. However, the law is not a complete ass as it recognises the difference between an ISP and a newspaper, in that an ISP can avail itself of a defence if it takes down defamatory material promptly when notified, whereas a newspaper cannot claim to have published something in error (although an apology can often help).<BR/><BR/>Your comment is equivalent to suggesting that you would not have any consumer rights if you bought something off Amazon instead of a bookshop. It is naive to think that the internet is some sort of legal wild west when all the same laws and regulations apply equally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43489103423032563762007-09-21T19:55:00.000+01:002007-09-21T19:55:00.000+01:00Danvers comments shows one of the problems with en...Danvers comments shows one of the problems with ensuring online free speech: a lot of people still do not understand the nature of the internet.<BR/><BR/>ISPs are not publishers. Bloggers and people who run websites are publishers. ISPs do not either write the articles, or decide which are published.<BR/><BR/>Suing an ISP is similar to suing a telecoms company because a slanderous telephone conversation used their lines. If he insists on a newspaper analogy, it is like suing a transport company that carried newspapers for a libellous article in a newspaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3256982352269223482007-09-21T19:28:00.000+01:002007-09-21T19:28:00.000+01:00Outrageous. Absolutely infuriating. It seems Mos...Outrageous. Absolutely infuriating. It seems Moscow, Riyadh, and Washington DC have more sway in Britain than the public. <BR/><BR/>It could never work, this whole freedom of speech on the internet thing. The establishments are too afraid of it. Time to host the site on the Isle of Man or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2403781337992841502007-09-21T18:10:00.000+01:002007-09-21T18:10:00.000+01:00The victims here are lucky that the attack was so ...The victims here are lucky that the attack was so clumsy and took out some of the fabs by way of collateral damage. The unknown individuals among us are more vulnerable, I would suggest. A well-resourced and determined actor, for example a state, might well buy their way through the security, identify troublesome individuals, locate them and arrange an accident.AethelBald, King of Wessexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09613960580758540732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6336228380981494392007-09-21T17:16:00.000+01:002007-09-21T17:16:00.000+01:00Why not set up a fighting fund and find a new web ...Why not set up a fighting fund and find a new web server?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86713746942768901492007-09-21T17:15:00.000+01:002007-09-21T17:15:00.000+01:00How does danvers know whether or not Craig Murray'...How does danvers know whether or not Craig Murray's comments were defamatory? Murray seems quite willing to defend himself in court. <BR/><BR/>The reason why small publishers roll over on such occasions is that the process of defending an action in court is so prohibitively expensive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13164265434738251612007-09-21T16:02:00.000+01:002007-09-21T16:02:00.000+01:00I have posted in support of this as well.I have posted in support of this as well.Andrew Ian Dodgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16293965494182995460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46070089752821629362007-09-21T15:53:00.000+01:002007-09-21T15:53:00.000+01:00And if Boris Johnson's website is down for too lon...And if Boris Johnson's website is down for too long, what will happen to his Mayor campaign>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53985554498305412802007-09-21T15:47:00.000+01:002007-09-21T15:47:00.000+01:00The comments made by Murray were clearly capable o...The comments made by Murray were clearly capable of being defamatory if they were not true and he offered no basis for making them other than his own knowledge. If anyone reading a blog found themselves being falsely accused of being a criminal they would want to have that blog taken down and who would blame them for taking the most effective route - i.e. going to the publisher - the ISP. If a newspaper publishes a libel, the victim rarely only goes after the journalist to seek redress, he goes for the newspaper itself. There is little difference. <BR/><BR/>If you write a blog and make statements which could be defamatory then you are putting your ISP at risk of being sued, in the same way as a newspaper editor would be doing to his publisher. Given most ISPs charge nothing or very little to host a blog, why should they care about your cause or whether you are justified in saying what you do when they have an instant defence available if they remove your blog from the internet.<BR/><BR/>Most defamatory material on the internet gets ignored as complaining draws more attention to it (as in this case) but that doesn't mean it is immune from someone who is willing to instruct m'learned friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com