tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1834033836053443925..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: A Very Narrow Win for CameronIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25610694322791766932010-04-23T20:59:18.688+01:002010-04-23T20:59:18.688+01:00Norfolk Blogger: "Clegg's policy on immig...Norfolk Blogger: "Clegg's policy on immigrants is that they can gain citizenship if they have jobs and are not a burden on society (the total opposite of what your are stating)"<br />Clegg is talking about illegal immigrants (not immigrants as you put it)and as the title says, how can they have legally held jobs without them being legal immigrants? Ilegal immigrants if they have jobs pay them less than the minimum wage as they work in black economy without papers.<br />Now yours is a pure drivel, as pure a drivel as your leader Clegg said that he is for quota of immigrants for different areas in the country so that the area which needs immigrants should be able to get them. Hoe does he keep them there without ending up somewhere else. That is X-Factor politics of Cleggy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6828207714328548382010-04-23T15:59:16.799+01:002010-04-23T15:59:16.799+01:00Norman, your arguments here are the worst kind of ...Norman, your arguments here are the worst kind of petty point scoring drivel that I have read in a long time.<br /><br />Clegg's policy on immigrants is that they can gain citizenship if they have jobs and are not a burden on society (the total opposite of what your are stating). As for trident, need I point out that Joan Ruddock (Labour MP) was head of CND and unlike many Labour MPs, the Lib Dems are not unilateralists calling for an end to all UK nuclear weapons.Nich Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237390959601973501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49994870557810995672010-04-23T14:45:43.111+01:002010-04-23T14:45:43.111+01:00how anyone can say Cameron won that last night is ...how anyone can say Cameron won that last night is astonishing.<br /><br />He looks very much out of his depth talking about 'helly-copters' and his attitude towards the European Union.<br /><br />Brown defended this country's position in Europe, and looked like the only man up there who knew what he was talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31517315390545294632010-04-23T12:44:32.773+01:002010-04-23T12:44:32.773+01:00David Cameron - Alpha Male? :pDavid Cameron - Alpha Male? :pLiberal Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15757511295720927359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56617986920526185462010-04-23T11:45:03.184+01:002010-04-23T11:45:03.184+01:00The best bit came when Brown said to deluded Clegg...The best bit came when Brown said to deluded Clegg " Get Real". Whilst I am not a Labour voter, Brown took apart Clegg and deserves credit for this. Clegg and his brigade of CND would simply fritter away the Trident savings on paying the benfits of 900K illegal immigrants +plus their dependents when they are given amnesty. Further amnesties cannot be ruled out as the illegal immigrants emerge these days from thousands ofvisitors who are overstayed plus hundreds of thousands of so called students who come to do so called studies in hundreds of colleges and tens of new universities and drop out.<br />I would say Cameron and brown joint winners. Wnat to see Libdems in operation? Come to my borough-the schools have become much worse, the sreets are filthy and the Council Tax if anything higher than what Labour left. Only we foolish Brits vote for this bunch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40842571985063100722010-04-23T11:43:50.818+01:002010-04-23T11:43:50.818+01:00We can all read the polls but what I saw is clear ...We can all read the polls but what I saw is clear - Clegg's halo slipped. I scored it Cameron as a clear winner - last week I made it Clegg a point ahead.<br /><br />Brown's point about the Tory manifesto not including free eye tests was a silliness. Cameron put it to the sword very easily. A manifesto is not a 24 volume encyclopaedia. It did not include a promise that rapists would be punished if caught nor did it guarantee that public holidays would not be cut.<br /><br />On that topic I am sure I heard Brown claim that this Labour government introduced paid leave! I started work in 1950 and was entitled to two weeks paid leave even then.Victor, NW Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778890471547456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57914968243597203012010-04-23T09:34:08.101+01:002010-04-23T09:34:08.101+01:00I dunno who won... I turned it off when they got t...I dunno who won... I turned it off when they got to wibbling about who was going to be the "greenest".Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15267665126981809882010-04-23T09:30:35.785+01:002010-04-23T09:30:35.785+01:00What can Cameron do now?
My (pessimistic for a Li...What can Cameron do now?<br /><br />My (pessimistic for a LibDem supporter) prediction for the percentage of the votes for the three main parties in the elction is as follows: Conservatives 36.5%; Labour 29%; Liberal Democrats 26.5%. This suggests that the LibDems will slip a bit over the next two weeks and that the Tories will be the beneficiary. Don’t ask me why – it’s just a gut feel. The outcome of my soothsayed election would give the following seat distribution: Conservatives 279; Labour 256 and the LibDems 83. With “others” taking 14 seats this means that the Conservatives, though the largest party, would be 47 seats short of an overall majority. Put another way if the two parties of the left ganged together they would have an overall majority over the Tories and the rest of 46. So what can Cameron do????Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5692616720567733442010-04-23T09:23:48.421+01:002010-04-23T09:23:48.421+01:00Much as I hate Brown, his "Get Real!" sl...Much as I hate Brown, his "Get Real!" slapdown of Clegg over Trident was priceless.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115118929939826975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29755652945650315102010-04-23T07:51:46.621+01:002010-04-23T07:51:46.621+01:00@ Despairing Liberal
Have you actually seen these...@ Despairing Liberal<br /><br />Have you actually seen these leaflets - in particular the leaflets issued in Brown's constituency? If so, you presumably agree with the various 'dubious' assertions contained therein.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54532969223814109042010-04-23T07:36:33.878+01:002010-04-23T07:36:33.878+01:00Cameron's performance was better than last tim...Cameron's performance was better than last time's but certainly not good enough for him to be declared winner. Clegg's bubble had clearly burst and he was definitely not as polished as last week. Brown was very strong on the big issues this time and will definitely do very well in next week's debate on the economy. <br /><br />Gordon Brown's emphasis on substance, rather than Cameron's superficial gloss and style will ultimately win the day on May 6.JAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651743297843612469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3296309064573383402010-04-23T07:20:46.234+01:002010-04-23T07:20:46.234+01:00Thought all three leaders did very well. As viewer...Thought all three leaders did very well. As viewers we are happy to sneer and pick them up on gaffes etc but I thought the grasp of policy shown by all three of them have was hugely impressive. <br /><br />When the guy asked about the Pope - question of the night by the way, no-one saw that coming - I almost gasped, 'how the hell are they going to answer that?!' only to watch all three of them roll out accomplished responses. <br /><br />What I would say is that before the debates we were told that Cam would wipe the floor with Brown, that the latter would do well not to have a breakdown on camera. The fact that, given a point here or there, the two are roughly polling level in the debate polls is surely a blow for the Conservatives.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05649491689196103228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10257542081708645802010-04-23T07:18:42.394+01:002010-04-23T07:18:42.394+01:00@stardancer69
Averaging 5 polls is statistically ...@stardancer69<br /><br />Averaging 5 polls is statistically dodgy<br /><br />Anyway what are the margins of error on those polls? +/- 2 or 3%<br /><br />It is clear that any of them could have 'won', whatever that means<br /><br />Clegg did well, Brown was stolid, Cameron did better<br /><br />Quote of the night Ed Balls asserting that GB answers questions!<br /><br />Given the Chancellor's debate on Wednesday I think this series of debates will be determined by next Thursday<br /><br />Brown has to defend 13 years of failure and the St vince halo effect has been broken<br /><br />All for Cameron to play forJannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848284897192043240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45466879714028383272010-04-23T07:01:46.425+01:002010-04-23T07:01:46.425+01:00The fundamental point for teh Conservatives to ham...The fundamental point for teh Conservatives to hammer home is simple. <br /><br />Vote Clegg get Brown.Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5686445799498998552010-04-23T06:59:36.308+01:002010-04-23T06:59:36.308+01:00"an old stand-by of Tories "
the PM has..."an old stand-by of Tories "<br /><br />the PM has authorised these lies in his own local campaign literature. He then just says 'i didn't do it personally'. Again, the McCavity defence and a refusal to accept personal responsibilityCynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16545508956610273022010-04-23T06:52:17.961+01:002010-04-23T06:52:17.961+01:00On the down side the leaders still didn't ment...On the down side the leaders still didn't mention the debt. <br /><br />Between half and one million public sector jobs must go and absolutely nothing said. <br /><br />Debt is 11% of GDP. The Greek crisis looks like it will be reaching a head just as the UK election is done and the markets will move to examine our fiscal position. <br /><br />I think Cameron needs to have a well engineered crisis ASAP so that the public blame Labour for the cuts and not the other way around. <br /><br />No matter who wins a sovereign debt crisis should come - through Lib-lab in denial or Torys by design. <br /><br />Balls, Milliband, Johnson will all be tainted with the overspend and the crisis - so I predict Andy Burnham to be the next leader if a crisis happens sooner rather than later. (4 years ago I said Johnson should have been given the leadership - which was right then). Burnham would be my choice if I were Clegg.javelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685858339910528013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84980707929935914502010-04-23T01:58:43.002+01:002010-04-23T01:58:43.002+01:00Looking through yellowish glasses, I was actually ...Looking through yellowish glasses, I was actually most impressed with Brown. He landed some pretty painful blows on Clegg, sounded authoritative, held his own including defending some pretty tough positions, and didn't let himself down. One or two cringeworthy moments but although it was very tight between all three, I felt Brown edged it.<br /><br />Clegg claimed not to prepare for tonight's debate and I believe him - it showed, in a positive way. He was even more relaxed and natural throughout and must have been convincing, once again, to the floating voter. However, when he was put under pressure, as he was frequently, mainly by Brown, he squirmed and wriggled and didn't come across well at all. His closing speech was easily the best - as good as Cameron's last week - and he had the advantage that it came at the end. He made a calculated gamble to ignore Boulton's frankly outrageous curveball (not outrageous that he threw the line in there, but outrageous that it was his only contribution...he should either have been throwing tough questions at all three leaders throughout, or not at all).<br /><br />Cameron needed to raise his game and I thought, once again, was oddly subdued. He didn't do anything wrong, and clearly learned a lot of lessons from last week, but seemed a bit flat. I'm not sure it'll be enough to dampen Cleggmania on its own, but he held his own perfectly well without doing anything special.<br /><br />Youtube moment of the night: the bloke yawning while Brown was speaking.eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02408335744825873080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42579565580258750262010-04-23T01:58:43.003+01:002010-04-23T01:58:43.003+01:00Actually, thinking about it I did catch the last 2...Actually, thinking about it I did catch the last 20 seconds or so of Clegg's speech after spending 7 or 8 minutes on the computer so yes - I can confirm Yougov polling started before the final speeches (not just Clegg's but all of them).James Burrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17887499076992310207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83146103627116951772010-04-23T01:56:50.198+01:002010-04-23T01:56:50.198+01:00I voted on the Yougov poll. I can confirm that we...I voted on the Yougov poll. I can confirm that we had only 10 minutes to answer 3 or 4 questions ("Who was most convincing?", "Who seemed shifty or ill at ease?", "Will your vote change because of this debate" etc), and that we were told to log in at 9:25. I did so but it wasn't open. I tried again at 9:29 and it was allowing votes. I missed Clegg's final speech because of the 10 minute deadline. That said, I missed all the final speeches because of faffing around with my computer.James Burrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17887499076992310207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39431565363269674322010-04-23T01:33:59.158+01:002010-04-23T01:33:59.158+01:00I felt Cameron edged it but not so much because of...I felt Cameron edged it but not so much because of what he did but because of what the others tried to paint him out to be. Cameron is a climate change-believing Europhile, but when the other two tried to paint him as a Eurosceptic Climate Change denier that must have made a lot of people sit up (bearing in mind recent polls show that some 60-70% of the public think it's a scam and most people want out of Europe, too). <br /><br />Because of this I think many people think Cameron did better than he actually did because they suddenly had a feeling that there was a Tory leader stood there who was Euro-sceptic, critical of climate change and tough on immigration.<br /><br />When you actually look at his performance though, he was hardly sparkling, he let a lot of silly claims and obvious lies go unchallenged and he just didn't connect as well with the audience as Clegg. However, as I say, I felt he made a better impression but again, I think it's mainly for the reason cited above.James Burrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17887499076992310207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90895955213065626112010-04-23T01:06:35.381+01:002010-04-23T01:06:35.381+01:00Iain, lest we forget;
http://www.youtube.com/watc...Iain, lest we forget;<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMR2BZuqY8A&feature=PlayList&p=675AAFD1802B065A&playnext_from=PL&index=6Roddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097720914724550811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39355600423773100222010-04-23T00:28:55.978+01:002010-04-23T00:28:55.978+01:00Lets hope Cameron is saving his fire for the last ...Lets hope Cameron is saving his fire for the last debate.<br />He needs to do much better!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810788783886456639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9834209606534873312010-04-23T00:03:02.249+01:002010-04-23T00:03:02.249+01:00Have just seen the front page of the Mirror. I wan...Have just seen the front page of the Mirror. I want to be on the drugs that Mcguire is on, or the planet. Is he operating in a different reality?Lee Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16875324408085242297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82576305339710535872010-04-22T23:56:02.822+01:002010-04-22T23:56:02.822+01:00But what did Herman Van Rompuy think? which one of...But what did Herman Van Rompuy think? which one of the puppets lived up to the European dream.<br /><br />Are we are talking leaders' debates..... did Barosso have a point of view?Anoneumousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09825132566496729272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7042153761942580172010-04-22T23:56:02.823+01:002010-04-22T23:56:02.823+01:00Debates have had the effect of marginalising Brown...Debates have had the effect of marginalising Brown. Cameron has been given a new target to shoot at. <br /><br />Overall debates have played to his advantage, by highlighting that Brown is incompetent, and that Clegg's policies are impractical.<br /><br />Polls are now moving in the right direction. People are starting to see Blair in Clegg. People do learn from past experience, it seems, unless they're 18 - 25.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.com