tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1631106930263123765..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: LibDems Must Not Copy CameronIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68788681288496683252007-10-18T11:46:00.000+01:002007-10-18T11:46:00.000+01:00At least unlike a former leader born of immigrant ...<I>At least unlike a former leader born of immigrant stock he was born in England.</I><BR/><BR/>Really Mac Glen of the Glen, he was probably also born in Lib Dem birthing pool . Does this make him a fish ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27232396026034557272007-10-18T09:41:00.000+01:002007-10-18T09:41:00.000+01:00I may an astroturfer, wtf!, but I 'm not a Labour ...I may an astroturfer, wtf!, but I 'm not a Labour astroturfer. See:<BR/><BR/>http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/british-peoples-alliance-just-released.html<BR/><BR/>http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/british-peoples-alliance-party-of_5260.html<BR/><BR/>http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/british-peoples-alliance-party-of_05.html<BR/><BR/>http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/british-peoples-alliance-party-of.html<BR/><BR/>http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/on-target.html<BR/><BR/>and http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com daily.<BR/><BR/>The project set out there could, if we can find the candidates (and there's plenty of time), reasonably expect the support of at least one national newspaper. See if you can guess which one. First contact has been more than made.<BR/><BR/>Actually, now that I think about it, my prediction yesterday about the Mail and the Telegraph encouraging abstention might very well come to pass. If the outcome of an Election can change nothing, then why vote? But if mass abstention can kill off one party in such a Election in the hope of replacing it with something better in time for the next one, killing off the other party sooner or later as a result of losing its defining bogeyman, then why not?<BR/><BR/>As for the Lib Dems being irrelevant, I carry no candle for them, but everyone outside the South East (i.e., everyone where Elections are actually won and lost) knows that a hung Parliament is much more likely than a Tory victory. And I assume that everyone in the South East knows that if the Tories hold on at all, then it will be by means of a bitter, vicious campaign against the Lib Dems, with whom they then could not conceivably go into coalition. So the Lib Dems have far more chance of being in government than the Tories have.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76145166567610236522007-10-18T08:22:00.000+01:002007-10-18T08:22:00.000+01:00Sure, it's the Mail, but ... et tu, Hemming? http:...Sure, it's the Mail, but ... et tu, Hemming? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=488215&in_page_id=1770Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92209994147580328352007-10-17T21:30:00.000+01:002007-10-17T21:30:00.000+01:00Nobody should be elected as LibDem answer to Camer...Nobody should be elected as LibDem answer to Cameron. They should just concentrate on choosing the best person. Which may or may not be Nick Clegg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29784616557317193942007-10-17T21:10:00.000+01:002007-10-17T21:10:00.000+01:00Jailhouselawyer at 11.50am. Finally, finally, you ...Jailhouselawyer at 11.50am. Finally, finally, you caught me out. Well done.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71690631849947665712007-10-17T20:38:00.000+01:002007-10-17T20:38:00.000+01:00Sonic's Friend said... "Anonymous, your brackets l...Sonic's Friend said... <BR/>"Anonymous, your brackets let you down, unfortunately. One must not insert a comma, then a sub-clause within parentheses, and then close them and follow with a full stop."<BR/><BR/>Neither must one scatter commas around; e.g. before 'and'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33642863602396866782007-10-17T20:23:00.000+01:002007-10-17T20:23:00.000+01:00Anon 6.15I really don't give a flying toss..This i...Anon 6.15<BR/><BR/>I really don't give a flying toss..This is the internet and we are above such silly things as grammar.<BR/><BR/>And my name isn't as silly as anon. Still, at least you wrote some good poems.Sonicdeathmonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10947811040683809469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53326013749970435822007-10-17T19:51:00.000+01:002007-10-17T19:51:00.000+01:00It's a measure of the Lib Dems' eternal irrelevanc...It's a measure of the Lib Dems' eternal irrelevance that until today nobody had ever heard of these "leading candidates for the leadership".<BR/><BR/>At least in the old days they had Cyril Smith and Clement Freud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71490609667390965062007-10-17T19:26:00.000+01:002007-10-17T19:26:00.000+01:00Apart from the stammering, the sneering, the calli...Apart from the stammering, the sneering, the calling William Hague the Foreign Secretary gaffe , decrying the 'lack of investment' in Health Services gaffe, and the Schwarzenegger joke that clunked and died in painful embarrassing silence I thought Gordon Brown did well today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88566687960724157862007-10-17T19:10:00.000+01:002007-10-17T19:10:00.000+01:00David Lindsay really is a waste of cyber-space. A ...David Lindsay really is a waste of cyber-space. A typically delusional Labour astro-turfer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77195049018911194912007-10-17T18:29:00.000+01:002007-10-17T18:29:00.000+01:00Anonymous, your brackets let you down, unfortunate...Anonymous, your brackets let you down, unfortunately. One must not insert a comma, then a sub-clause within parentheses, and then close them and follow with a full stop.<BR/><BR/>Just concentrate on being a numpty, and wait for the title of "Miss Pedantic" to be bestowed by those among us empowered to do so.<BR/><BR/>Your ever-suffering supremacist,<BR/>etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52467497568561773272007-10-17T18:15:00.000+01:002007-10-17T18:15:00.000+01:00Sonic Death Monkey, (bet you had trouble living do...Sonic Death Monkey, (bet you had trouble living down that one at school. Parents, eh?).<BR/><BR/>Please note the plural of Tory is Tories. Let me know if you need a lesson in basic grammar, apostrophes, etc.<BR/><BR/>Miss PedanticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83147184053015933162007-10-17T16:52:00.000+01:002007-10-17T16:52:00.000+01:00Neither, Brown Bombed. Most Mail readers, on the o...Neither, Brown Bombed. Most Mail readers, on the other hand...<BR/><BR/>And the Telegraph hates Cameron as well, of course.<BR/><BR/>Come the Election, it is now as inconceivable that they might say "Vote Cameron" as that they might say "Vote Brown". In fact, the latter is marginally more likely. What if they said "Vote UKIP or abstain"? They seriously might. And then where would the Tories be?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68730776810634517662007-10-17T16:49:00.000+01:002007-10-17T16:49:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08609715214737122493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77372767355595309802007-10-17T16:37:00.000+01:002007-10-17T16:37:00.000+01:00Oh dear Newmania getting xenophobic to the extreme...Oh dear Newmania getting xenophobic to the extreme. At least unlike a former leader born of immigrant stock he was born in England. So may have more understanding about it that the Welsh born son of a Romanian shopkeeper, step forward Michael Hecht. <BR/><BR/>Also while to attempt to make my name more Scottish I'm proud of my Irish ancestry as is my party so I'll retain the two Ns if you don't mind.Stephen Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10365185345128059802007-10-17T16:00:00.000+01:002007-10-17T16:00:00.000+01:00The Schwarzenegger joke was embarrassing. I can ha...The Schwarzenegger joke was embarrassing. I can hardly bear to watch Brown stumble and bumble his way through PMQ's. <BR/><BR/><BR/>What an ineffectual DUD of a leader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58462565853312132662007-10-17T15:57:00.002+01:002007-10-17T15:57:00.002+01:00Hmm..Trying to prove Black is White or Brown is ca...Hmm..<BR/>Trying to prove Black is White <BR/>or<BR/> Brown is capable <BR/><BR/>has now become an artform I see.<BR/><BR/>Like most artforms, it dulls very quickly with repetition. It's also insulting readers' intelligence (yes we have some)Madasafishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109237198481955714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41411879341946759212007-10-17T15:57:00.001+01:002007-10-17T15:57:00.001+01:00David LindsayAre you entirely innocent of the rela...David Lindsay<BR/><BR/>Are you entirely innocent of the relationship between Dacre and Brown? <BR/><BR/>Or just disingenuous ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24192043312146467682007-10-17T15:57:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:57:00.000+01:00Re-introduction of Fox Hunting.Anti EU and Anti Eu...Re-introduction of Fox Hunting.<BR/><BR/>Anti EU and Anti European sentiments.<BR/><BR/>Tax cuts for the Rich.<BR/><BR/>Abandoning Green Issues.<BR/><BR/>Don’t worry Iain the Lib Dems will not be copying Camera Ons lurch to the right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50139901862031989152007-10-17T15:54:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:54:00.000+01:00mr. hristovBrown called William Hague the Foreign...mr. hristov<BR/><BR/>Brown called William Hague the Foreign Secretary today (freudian slip or what?) and in a bizarre and rare moment of self criticism blamed the dire state of the NHS on himself and 'lack of investment'.<BR/><BR/> He's the gift that keeps on gaffing/giving for the ToriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-883857809802001762007-10-17T15:26:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:26:00.000+01:00We've been though why Brown needn't, and doesn't, ...We've been though why Brown needn't, and doesn't, care how he comes across at PMQs. But when even the Daily Mail is writing his performance thus: http://broganblog.dailymail.co..uk/2007/10/normal-service-.html - well, he REALLY doesn't have anything to wrry about, does he?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82511368105751240902007-10-17T15:21:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:21:00.000+01:00Another "Brown Bomber" at PMQs. Terrible delivery ...Another "Brown Bomber" at PMQs. Terrible delivery of the Arnold Schwarzenegger 'gag'. Confusion over health spending and his own PPS screaming at 'Gorbals Mick' so much that he was told off. Cameron statesmanlike but stronger on Europe than health. Cable visibly nervous. Brown only really came alive when defending his old mate "Ming" Campbell."Ming" to expect a top international job soon. As for Brown "Hasta La Vista, Baby." to quote the terminator.M. Hristovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13916257985347991350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71679720088716767342007-10-17T15:14:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:14:00.000+01:00No, Newmania, you carry on digging. That there was...No, Newmania, you carry on digging. That there was going to be an Election this year was only ever pure fantasy, and that the Tories can win one at any time will now only ever be pure fantasy.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, since a Cameron Government would be exactly the same as a Brown one politically, why care? Unless you really do believe that, out of two politically identical candidates for Prime Minister, the one who went to Eton and Oxford should automatically win?<BR/><BR/>Peter Hitchens was spot on this Sunday, when he said that the media's rooting for Cameron was like their former rooting for Tim Henman: they know he's not going to win, but, hell, they have to report something, and what else is there?<BR/><BR/>The Tories might be the immediate losers out of all of this, but Labour will not long survive it either. Labour is kept going by the fear of a Tory bogeyman. But if the Tories not only wouldn't change a thing politically, but actually cannot win anyway because the constituency boundaries have been used to rig the Election against them, then what is the point of the Labour Party? Why stay in it? Sooner rather than later, that penny will drop.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44807585758226015762007-10-17T15:04:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:04:00.000+01:00They did becase they were ahead in the marginal se...They did becase they were ahead in the marginal seats . It was on this effect , by the way , that caused the election to be cancelled. Its easy and if the majority is only 1 it does not matter if the popular vote is huge .<BR/><BR/><BR/>But you go on digging ...Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44730369784278269262007-10-17T14:47:00.000+01:002007-10-17T14:47:00.000+01:00"They had enough for a majority this weekend"They ..."They had enough for a majority this weekend"<BR/><BR/>They didn't. No Election was "cancelled", as the BBC would have it - there was never going to be one, and the media might now think twice about demanding such a thing and then banging on until they get it. They aren't going to get it.<BR/><BR/>Political journalists have to pretend that the Tories can win or what would be the point? What would they have to write or broadcast about? But that doesn't make it true. It isn't. Anyone who says it is, is either lying or simply cannot add up.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.com