tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post125276629979210263..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Labour & UKIP Voters Turn to the BNP in Kent By-ElectionIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57349903889696768502009-02-21T23:33:00.000+00:002009-02-21T23:33:00.000+00:00It sounds like part of the problem is that under C...It sounds like part of the problem is that under Cameron the Tories have become Liarbour-lite.<BR/>We have that problem to some extent in New Zealand.<BR/>But adopting much of the liberal left agenda means a huge constiotuency has no voice so they turn to UKIP, the BNP, etc.<BR/>The Tories need to rediscover the working class, the C2s, Essex man, and cultivate them; the recipe that brought them to power under Margaret Thatcher.FAIRFACTS MEDIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278035907912171422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7708079194991527692009-02-21T16:49:00.000+00:002009-02-21T16:49:00.000+00:00Oh, dear me, Adam!I don't necessarily agree that L...Oh, dear me, Adam!<BR/><I>I don't necessarily agree that Labour have ignored the white working classes although there are perhaps areas they could have focused on them more and communicated more effectively.</I><BR/><BR/>Dalek-like auto voice intones<BR/><I>...we have...not...got..the...message across...{BEEP!} We...failed...to...communicate...effectively ...{whir! Clunk!}</I>Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80935985644590798872009-02-21T16:45:00.000+00:002009-02-21T16:45:00.000+00:00And of course, "British jobs for British workers" ...And of course, "British jobs for British workers" (prop. G. Brown) had no effect whatsoever. <BR/><BR/>Having the leader of the Labour Party spouting BNP slogans can't have helped.Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90783721145154737832009-02-21T12:29:00.000+00:002009-02-21T12:29:00.000+00:00It is very fashionable to say that the BNP are rac...It is very fashionable to say that the BNP are racist scum, far-right madmen who are not fit to breathe the same air etc. etc.. Now personally I would not vote for them because I find their policies bonkers in several critical areas... but if a BNP councillor does a crap job he can be voted out. If not, he is not in any position to enact his party's national agenda (unlike those from the major parties... though whether local councillors should ever be anything other than Independent is doubtful in my mind).<BR/><BR/>If anyone can convince me that it's better to vote for Labour than the BNP without relying on those oft-abused words 'racist' and 'homophobic' I'll be very surprised. Even if we were talking about national government it could be argued (by anyone who wouldn't mind the BBC and main political parties ostracising them for the next 20 years) that the BNP only promise tyrrany for the few, where Labour promise it for the many.OBC Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05199336701581647524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48433412456017309822009-02-21T12:13:00.000+00:002009-02-21T12:13:00.000+00:00"excrescence".....Take a look at the occupations o..."excrescence".....<BR/><BR/>Take a look at the occupations on the leaked membership list.<BR/><BR/>Medical people.<BR/>Members of the services.<BR/>Fire-fighters.<BR/>Plumbers.<BR/>Builders.<BR/>Carpenters, etc.<BR/>Teachers.<BR/>Police officers (retired, calm down).<BR/><BR/>Ordinary people who help make the country run.<BR/><BR/>And Cameron called them that? <BR/>He just handed them seats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50400268137812531452009-02-21T12:10:00.000+00:002009-02-21T12:10:00.000+00:00I would tell you why the BNP won in Sevenoakes Ken...I would tell you why the BNP won in Sevenoakes Kent, but hey everyone allready knows. Everyone allready knows apart from that is the LibLabCon who are in denial that the voters through England and Wales identify with the BNP and their policies.<BR/><BR/>Europe, political correction, multiculturalism for example are all mad. This is Britain, we are British and we want to be British. British people do not want to be world citizens.<BR/><BR/>Well done to Councillor Paul Golding.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12355400983507594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13913867032731338502009-02-21T11:39:00.000+00:002009-02-21T11:39:00.000+00:00It's not at all surprising. People are fed up with...It's not at all surprising. People are fed up with unfettered immigration and the EU. Hence the vote for the BNP. Expect a fair few more I reckon.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73549960223276017632009-02-21T10:48:00.000+00:002009-02-21T10:48:00.000+00:00The comments appear to show a wide consensus that ...The comments appear to show a wide consensus that the electorate's disillusionment with the old three parties and the political class is going to produce some 'wild' voting outside of the old tribal loyalty box.<BR/><BR/>With the dire prospect of the combined membership of the three dying parties falling below 1% of the electorate for the first time ever, this may not be so much of a recessional blip but a position from which recovery will not be possible. <BR/><BR/>However, there are encouraging signs that some Conservatives at least are not pretending that the voters like them but are facing the reality that the voters hate Labour, and that this is likely to give Cameron a Parliamentary majority. But it doesn't auger well for the future.<BR/><BR/>The June elections are shaping up to be interesting, anyway.Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41474227872270670442009-02-21T10:36:00.000+00:002009-02-21T10:36:00.000+00:00Iain, the ruling elite have denounced YOU as a rac...Iain, the ruling elite have denounced YOU as a racist in recent weeks. They have denounced Guido as a racist just last week.<BR/><BR/>In short, anyone who doesn't vote for them OR THINK LIKE THEM is a vile racist.<BR/><BR/>We are ALL vile racists now<BR/><BR/>Is it any wonder that some are now deciding to vote for a party that doesn't call them a racist?<BR/><BR/>Leg Iron on <A HREF="http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/02/mama-were-all-racist-now.html" REL="nofollow">why we are ALL racists now</A>Old Holbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164491045068093627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36742258922185725492009-02-21T09:47:00.000+00:002009-02-21T09:47:00.000+00:00I wish I shared Trevorsden's (@1.21pm) clear visio...I wish I shared Trevorsden's (@1.21pm) clear vision of Conservative policy. I too am an active member of the party and I'm confused, so how are the disinterested and uninterested supposed to be in touch?<BR/><BR/>And for him (@ 12:00pm) to dismiss the disaffected white working class as merely bigots is, I'm afraid, typical of a mentality which fails to address the genuine concerns of a section of society which thinks that none of the major parties cares about them.<BR/><BR/>That's how the BNP gains a toe-hold, and that's why our party should be speaking to them directly and clearly. Scoring points at PMQs ain't worth two pen'orth of cold pee.Windsor Tripehoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923036087016324862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51336518994598522602009-02-21T08:27:00.000+00:002009-02-21T08:27:00.000+00:00Oh Iain, when will you stop behaving like a maiden...Oh Iain, when will you stop behaving like a maiden Aunt who needs the smelling salts whenever sex is mentioned, over the BNP.<BR/><BR/>I'll tell you why the BNP are gaining ground. <BR/><BR/>Labour are anti British, they fill this country with immigrants who hate us, will not integrate and want to kill us. If you hadn't noticed the civil war has started already. British passport holders are fighting for the Taliban and sending bombs to blow up our soldiers (see today's Telegraph). AND, they have sold us out to the undomocratic EU who think it is OK to fill our country with foreign workers whilst skilled family men have to look for work picking grapes in say Italy!!!! <BR/><BR/>The Conservatives are not far behind Labour. Given their record of silence and reluctant comment over these issues, we have no faith they have the strength to do what needs to be done. They will capitulate to the anti British faction which now perverts our schools and institutions. They call BNP voters stupid instead of engaging with the issues. <BR/><BR/>The Liberals - well they go the way of the wind. And it's Clegg's fault the Lisbon Treaty got through. And who was jumping up at down supporting Jackie Smith over the Fina episode last week? Another anti-British party. <BR/><BR/>So who do we have left. <BR/>UKIP - well anyone seen them?<BR/><BR/>Greens - the get rid of humans and cover the land in windmill brigade?<BR/><BR/>BNP - the strongly British party with a strong leadership who want to send back to their spiritual homeland all those who don't want to integrate with the British way of life. Who want to promote our culture and a strong society. Do I and others want their other policies? No. Do we think they will do anything for the economy - probably not?<BR/><BR/>But this, ladies and gentlemen, is your choice for your poor country, who are you going to choose? Engage with the issues Iain, and I suggest your party does as well, before it is too late.Summerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269033958151012528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54010708971077316682009-02-20T18:37:00.000+00:002009-02-20T18:37:00.000+00:00Yawn at the way this thread has developed.People t...Yawn at the way this thread has developed.<BR/><BR/>People turning to the BNP is a worrying but completely predictable event, especially during a recession. There's a message for the mainstream parties in there - what a shame that Tom Harris, Chris Paul and other Labour Party apparataniks have no intention of paying attention to it. But nor do Call Me Dave and his Tory friends either.<BR/><BR/>And on a side note, Sir Iain said <I>"Politicians aren't just able to ring up a programme and demand to go on, you know."</I><BR/><BR/>Not unless they're Alastair Campbell, they're not anyway.The Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543130733645367498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7973181090970569932009-02-20T18:09:00.000+00:002009-02-20T18:09:00.000+00:00According to the online dictionary "excresenc...According to the online dictionary "excresence" means "2. A usually unwanted or unnecessary accretion" which quite firmly shows Cameron's attutude that politics is a cosy Westminster monopoly of 3 parties which divvy up the country between them & that anybody else mere people choose to vote far aren't really part of politics.<BR/><BR/>Of course since the BNP opposed going to war against Yugolsavia to assist in the racial programme of Adalf Hitler & all 3 main parties were enthusiastic about, even to the extent of letting their "police" kidnap Serbs & cut them open, while still alive, to steal their body organs. I can see why the BNP would not want to be part of a conspiracy like that.<BR/><BR/>What I don't understand is how anybody who is can pretend to moral superiority, or indeed equality, to them.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27521908737148432112009-02-20T18:00:00.000+00:002009-02-20T18:00:00.000+00:00This is precisely what will continue to happen. Fo...This is precisely what will continue to happen. Folks are toe dipping! With the major political players regarded as liars, incompetents and milking the British tax payer dry with their crude examples of "legal" and fraudulent expenses, the voters are unsure where to turn. <BR/><BR/>This may also be a backlash at what is perceived to be continuing restrictions on free England. For example, anyone who is a member of the BNP can expect a very nasty time from the establishment! So, a backlash. In any case if politicians, many in the Lords are allowed to join Political organisations like The Communist Party, why is it not on to join the BNP? The BNP may not be for you but then neither may the Communist Party!<BR/><BR/>This is, sorry was, a free country! Something I have fought for twice! <BR/><BR/>You know what, I damn well wouldn`t fight for her again!English Firsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13423078454157177708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33908483171714485162009-02-20T17:41:00.000+00:002009-02-20T17:41:00.000+00:00Labour voters (those who would never vote Tory, in...Labour voters (those who would never vote Tory, in particular) switching to the BNP in Sevenoaks is one thing: but what if it were to happen on a large scale in Labour-held marginal seats at the next general election? Or even in not-so-marginal Labour-held seats?Armchair Sceptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06700172701458170654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74965158162490282262009-02-20T17:29:00.000+00:002009-02-20T17:29:00.000+00:00According to Martin Wingfield The Battle for Thrin...According to Martin Wingfield <A HREF="http://martinwingfield.blogspot.com/2009/02/battle-for-thringstone-can-you-help.html" REL="nofollow">The Battle for Thringstone - can you help?</A><BR/><BR/><I>... it's a Tory leaflet, produced in conjunction with Unite Against Fascism which is run by the Socialist Workers Party. Now that is a marriage made in hell - the very worse that British politics has to offer uniting against the BNP.<BR/><BR/>But this all goes to show how desperate the Old Gang parties are as well as just how similiar they are.<BR/><BR/>In Bexley it was the Lib-Dems that lined up with the UAF, in Newcastle it was Labour, and now in Thringstone it's the Tories. All tarred with the same brush and working with the lunatics of the Socialist Workers Party. ...</I><BR/><BR/>Can anyone corroborate or repudiate this?Bert Rustlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11603898539529306184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60061764830098469282009-02-20T17:28:00.000+00:002009-02-20T17:28:00.000+00:00A fantastic result that goes to prove that the BNP...A fantastic result that goes to prove that the BNP can win just about anywhere. Aside from the areas lost through mass immigrtion of course. <BR/><BR/>What disgusting comments from Cameron, but they are a sign that he is worried by us I suppose.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16192249122421123015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28144886568310978272009-02-20T17:09:00.000+00:002009-02-20T17:09:00.000+00:00Must agree with Wrinkled Weasel, Strapworld etc.. ...Must agree with Wrinkled Weasel, Strapworld etc.. Schumpeter said that welfarism leads to socialist inertia (or something like that). Camerons lack of bite over Lisbon, Wilders, the obnoxious financial antics of Smith, Balls et al and failing to identify with the fears of Swanley voters is very disappointing. Labour shrieking about extreme parties or Conservatives calling ‘excrescence’ to the faces of put upon voters is no way to win elections in a civilised society.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally Iain; in the Western Morning News this morning is a court report of a creepy twat called Buckley who was caught, again, defacing trains with aerosols etc. 300 hours c/service and £1800 compensation ordered. Says he lives in Tunbridge Wells!Glyn Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756226316614600769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53151174657018230432009-02-20T17:08:00.000+00:002009-02-20T17:08:00.000+00:00warelane: "Another factor is the, at times, quite ...warelane: <I>"Another factor is the, at times, quite irresponsible reporting in the media. In the desire to maintain circulation figures the press paint a picture of Britain that is a caricature of reality."</I><BR/><BR/>Specifics..? What, exactly, do you mean by that?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65073564489297349972009-02-20T16:59:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:59:00.000+00:00Swanley isn’t necessarily a ‘funny’ place. What it...Swanley isn’t necessarily a ‘funny’ place. What it is, is an area that defies multi-culturalism. For two or more generations, immigrants have settled in neighbouring boroughs such as Lewisham and Catford, whilst ‘locals’ have gravitated to the suburbs of Bromley, Sidcup, Swanley – the Bexley region. A mix of ‘white-van-man’ (skilled tradesmen) and City workers, many categorize themselves ‘working class’ and, depending on their take on life, are just as likely to vote Labour as Conservative, BUT in both respects, position themselves on the right of the two parties. They are undoubtedly ‘tribal’ in outlook and have a strong sense of history (Mom survived the blitz, Granddad was gassed in his trench by the Boche). They are ‘English’ rather than British-Asian or British-Caribbean, and go back 4+ generations. Even now they resent having been driven out of Lewisham, Tottenham, Barking... etc. in the 60s and 70s. I suspect that 10 years ago they were feeling more comfortable with life and coming to terms with the changing face of Britain, but – following the accelerated level of immigration this last several years, and having seen their country fatally wounded by the Scottish Raj, have increasingly felt under siege - moving even further to the right AND being joined by some of their old lefty buddies. Don’t know if this is a nation-wide trend or just peculiar to this part of the southeast, but I do suspect that, whilst many of the Blairite new-labour voters from middle-class neighbourhoods are considering switching their support to Cameron, his background and ‘middle-way’ will continue irritate many, and they could well vote BNP.Briantheshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06641192320158127058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46791451565106524012009-02-20T16:52:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:52:00.000+00:00Cassandra ... can you put democracy and EU in the ...Cassandra ... can you put democracy and EU in the same sentence?Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20395342400039252802009-02-20T16:42:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:42:00.000+00:00With regard to the EU and the BNP, just watch how ...With regard to the EU and the BNP, just watch how truly demoratic the EU parliament is when the newly elected BNP members try to take their seats!<BR/>They are going to be subjected to a campaign of sabotage and hatred that would make Mugabe blush!<BR/>The real test of democracy was failed by the EU parliament when the leftist/greens walked out during the Klaus speech the other day.cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088596240127998878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87382030121921018092009-02-20T16:36:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:36:00.000+00:00What is wrong with the big three political parties...What is wrong with the big three political parties, are they so cut off from actual reality that they cannot see what is going on?<BR/>The so called brightest and best are simply blind and deaf to the fears and concerns of the ordinary voter now!<BR/>The voters have been lied to constanly and their genuine fears have been derided as 'retarded xenaphobia'!<BR/>Westminster gave away our sovreignty to the EU without a referendum, Westminster encouraged mass immigration without asking permission from the voter and yet the Westminster village idiots still scratch their collective heads and wonder why people are turning to the BNP?<BR/>I am staggered that highly educated people can be so stupid and shortsighted in not seeing just what is happening out there to the common people who voted in the very representatives that are now betraying them and selling them out wholesale. What on earth did the political classes think would happen?<BR/>You cannot bully,betray,ignore, patronize and deride the very people who vote you in and then expect them to elect you again can you?<BR/><BR/>The self delusion of the political classes is truly staggering!cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088596240127998878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75419237922016600242009-02-20T16:28:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:28:00.000+00:00Trevorsden - the foundation and rise of UKIP long ...Trevorsden - the foundation and rise of UKIP long predates the New Labour government. It occurred when the Tories were in power and ignored grassroots feeling on the issue of Europe. Likewise the rise of the BNP has occurred under a Labour government for their contempt for the white working class and its concerns.<BR/><BR/>As some other posters like Wrinkled Weasel have alluded to, we are now ruled by a self-serving, cross-party class of people who see their career opportunities being best served by following policies which are at odds with and often entirely hostile to the wishes of the average British voter.<BR/><BR/>I would recommend Peter Oborne's brilliant 'The Triumph of the Political Class' for a masterful analysis of this phenomenon.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13997546418164172397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68618877988860450282009-02-20T16:08:00.000+00:002009-02-20T16:08:00.000+00:00http://an-ex-apprentice.blogspot.com/has posted a ...http://an-ex-apprentice.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>has posted a transcript of a coruscating talk, given by Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance, delivered to Conservative Future.<BR/><BR/>I will just pick out one gem:<BR/><BR/>Over the past few generations, a new Establishment or ruling class has emerged in this country. It is a loose coalition of politicians, bureaucrats, educators, media people and associated business interests. These are people who derive income and status from an enlarged and activist state. They have been turning this country into a soft-totalitarian police state. They are not always friendly to a Labour Government. But their natural political home is the Labour Party. They will accept a Conservative Government on sufferance - but only so long as it works within a system that robs ordinary people of their wealth and their freedom. They will never consent to what should be the Conservative strategy of bringing about an irreversible transfer of power from the State back into the hands or ordinary people.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.com