tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1217565938378231065..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Twisted Logic of the UK Deportation SystemIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14018118858788243982008-02-08T03:22:00.000+00:002008-02-08T03:22:00.000+00:00I am British and I have been married for 24 years ...I am British and I have been married for 24 years and the bastards are going to deport my wife now. They are mad people and do not belong at the helm of our country. We want the arseholes out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46524999231438929002007-08-27T15:06:00.000+01:002007-08-27T15:06:00.000+01:00The news came through to Japan via internet. Now,...The news came through to Japan via internet. Now, the Japanese gay community is 100% supporting Ms Pegah's case. And I am one of them. I just hope people to stop using the name of god to commit murder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47908374457392396732007-08-25T12:41:00.000+01:002007-08-25T12:41:00.000+01:00This case falls within the scope of Article 3 ECHR...This case falls within the scope of Article 3 ECHR. One need not rely upon the Refugee Convention. See Jabari for example below:<BR/><BR/>http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/press/2000/jul_aug/jabari%20jud%20epress.htm<BR/><BR/>http://www.worldlii.org/eu/cases/ECHR/2000/369.html<BR/><BR/>Her legal team need to frame their challenge appropriately.The Druidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449418180990164188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49963101614089614962007-08-24T15:59:00.000+01:002007-08-24T15:59:00.000+01:00rk - I agree. It's easy for would-be asylum seeker...rk - I agree. It's easy for would-be asylum seekers to invent stuff about being gay etc and immigration officials have a difficult job. In this case, I know that Richard Caborn MP is a good guy, if he is supporting this woman then I am sure she has a genuine case. I trust that Iain is now following this up personally with the Home Office. But he must agree that much of the paranoia about asylum-seekers was originally whipped up by his own party and the two former leaders who attempted to win elections on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55121842840296643742007-08-24T15:19:00.000+01:002007-08-24T15:19:00.000+01:00Part of the point Roger is that we only have her w...Part of the point Roger is that we only have her word for it that her family have been stoned and tortured over her sexuality. If we have reason to doubt her word on her sexuality the rest of her story is also in doubt. Do the words economic migrant mean anything to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54296236501939399432007-08-24T15:04:00.000+01:002007-08-24T15:04:00.000+01:00p.s. if my family had been tortured and I was abou...p.s. if my family had been tortured and I was about to be stoned, I would "shop" for a place to escape. Anon and on is clearly too much a automaton to consider it.<BR/><BR/>It is not about people faking their sexuality in this case, but knowing the half-arsed bunch of schyster lawyers that make up the Labour Party I suspect they will ammend the law so that it does just that.<BR/><BR/>They really are in turns both authoritarian scumbags and incompetent nightwatchmen.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39627127473506995342007-08-24T14:59:00.000+01:002007-08-24T14:59:00.000+01:00How about the MCB adopting this lady as their "Gay...How about the MCB adopting this lady as their "Gay and Lesbian Spokesperson". No?<BR/><BR/>How about if this lady says she "has a right to a family life"...this seems the weasel word du jour. I suppose when it is actually valid and reasonable to assert it, the lawyers and judges will not uphold it.<BR/><BR/>Nu Labour - self loathers and hypocrites.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85205356313915116662007-08-24T13:25:00.000+01:002007-08-24T13:25:00.000+01:00I want to second the post by 'Anon and on'. The co...I want to second the post by 'Anon and on'. The comparison with the Chindamo case is weak. He was not deported because he is an EU citizen and nothing to do with torture. Also I see no attempt to comment on the weaknesses of this woman’s claim. The lesbian/gay persecution claim is an easy one to fake and there are countless bogus asylum claimants who make it. I imagine this woman may be at risk of deportation because her story is seriously doubted in some way. Perhaps her story has changed, it is not uncommon for claimants to change their stories after spending time in the UK. They may realise their original claim is weak and start to bolster it with aspects of other peoples successful claims. Either that or her failure to claim asylum when she first arrived or in any of the other liberal countries she passed through on the way here has weakened her claim. Naturally you are only seeing one side of the story here.<BR/><BR/>If you think either of the above reasons are insufficient grounds to deport then you have to accept that we could never turn away any asylum claimant from any third world country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70585207488735659822007-08-24T13:07:00.000+01:002007-08-24T13:07:00.000+01:00I don't think that Chindamo was spared deportation...I don't think that Chindamo was spared deportation because he was (a) an asylum-seeker or (b) at risk of torture etc. <BR/><BR/>Chindamo was spared because he holds an EU passport and is covered by EU regulations, which hold that deporting a criminal from England to Italy is really little different from sending a criminal from London back to Liverpool. <BR/><BR/>So the "Italy is more dangerous than Iran" point is just silly.<BR/><BR/>I also note that this posting cites a lenient judgement in Germany. Perhaps the unfortunate lady should seek asylum there instead - it often seems that jurisdiction-shopping is very much in fashion among the internationally footloose.<BR/><BR/>There are very many countries between Iran and The UK, some of them quite liberal - did this lady not try any of them first? <BR/><BR/>Is this lady (and/or her supporters)not smart enough to find a safe third country that will accept her claim?<BR/><BR/>I wonder if the BIA is concerned that asylum on the grounds of homosexuality will open the floodgates for any Iranian who simply fancies a new life? <BR/><BR/>After all, having been coached into claiming to be gay on arrival, it will almost certainly be a violation of a person's human rights to actually question the validity of that assertion.<BR/><BR/>This case is lot less tidy than the campaigners imply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42621362063890943012007-08-24T13:04:00.000+01:002007-08-24T13:04:00.000+01:00I'm sorry you are all wrong. The UK Immigration an...I'm sorry you are all wrong.<BR/> The UK Immigration and Deportation system is designed to keep criminals safe ...in the UK where they can benefit from UK state benefits and deport those who have not been found guilty of criminal acts in the UK.<BR/><BR/>So far it is working as it is designed ..<BR/><BR/>Oh I forgot to add: and for the benefit of lawyers.. (see the legal bills).Madasafishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109237198481955714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44071889051280033422007-08-24T12:31:00.000+01:002007-08-24T12:31:00.000+01:00Captain Spaulding.I certainly do not know where yo...Captain Spaulding.<BR/>I certainly do not know where you are coming from. Iain has placed the details of who and where to write to. I take it you have already written.<BR/><BR/>Typical Labour,throw insults and attempt to make a (poor) political point.<BR/><BR/>It is this bloody governments unbelievable deportation policy which you should be moaning about.<BR/><BR/>Climb back into your hole!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72384963434389243502007-08-24T12:06:00.000+01:002007-08-24T12:06:00.000+01:00It is all very well to make political debating poi...It is all very well to make political debating points - I hope you are writing in to support this woman's case. Her Labour MP Richard Caborn seems to be making maximum efforts on her behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19521050665504590272007-08-24T12:05:00.000+01:002007-08-24T12:05:00.000+01:00So it's more dangerous for people to be sent to It...So it's more dangerous for people to be sent to Italy than it is to Iran?<BR/><BR/>This country is upside down.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76523529241452027732007-08-24T11:50:00.000+01:002007-08-24T11:50:00.000+01:00Yet more nonsense to make my blood boil. Not sure ...Yet more nonsense to make my blood boil. Not sure i can take much more!Vindicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13966077915620078085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63675075140355333582007-08-24T11:38:00.000+01:002007-08-24T11:38:00.000+01:00It just goes to show how perverted and plain stupi...It just goes to show how perverted and plain stupid the government is!<BR/>IF you are a Islamist terrorist then welcome aboard and how about first dibs on council housing and benifits?<BR/>If you are a serious criminal then come on in NuLabour will look after your needs!<BR/>BUT if you are a VC hero then bugger off you are not welcome! If you are fleeing an evil Islamist regime in genuine fear then go away! because we cant upset the Islamists can we?<BR/>What have the Iranians got on NuLabour? there must be something because the British caved in so easily on the naval surrender fiasco! NuLabour have sent British soldiers to their deaths in and with rubbish kit and I am not surprised that they will happily send a lesbian to a horrible and cruel death by stoning or public strangulation!<BR/>The sneering and cold arrogance of the NuLabour commisars is making good people sick! I can only hope that a Conservative administration would be better able to keep the scum out while giving refuge to genuine people like her.<BR/>On a brighter note I see that commisars Brown & Merkal were booed and jeered at! bet we wont see that on the BBC!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com