tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post116922243087742709..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Blair Adviser Arrested in Cash for Peerages InquiryIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169286742161859962007-01-20T09:52:00.000+00:002007-01-20T09:52:00.000+00:00As a former senior detective from a provincial pol...As a former senior detective from a provincial police force I do not believe that any substantial evidence has yet been revealed, despite the claims being made by Yates. This latest "swoop" (why do the police always swoop?) at 6am is a typical ploy to unnerve a suspect by the element of surprise. There would have been no need to do this if they were already in possession of substantial evidence and I can only believe they are performing the oomie-goolie bird dance by rotating in ever decreasing circles before finally vanishing up their own arse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169285079479884282007-01-20T09:24:00.000+00:002007-01-20T09:24:00.000+00:00Verity - great post. Sometimes I hates ya, sometim...Verity - great post. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes I hates ya, sometimes I loves ya, but I never, never, never ignores ya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169282327292724752007-01-20T08:38:00.000+00:002007-01-20T08:38:00.000+00:00Dear 11:09pm Trumpeter Lanfried Thank you for your...Dear 11:09pm Trumpeter Lanfried <BR/><BR/>Thank you for your well-considered comments, which have great general force - I apologise for my relative innocence of criminal procedures<BR/><BR/>However, the substance of my concerns remains :<BR/><BR/>A. The argument against warning the Accused surely has NO force on this occasion - I knew that a visit to Miss Turner from the Police was likely or indeed certain - Miss Turner must have also known this - if she were going to destroy evidence, she would have done so long ago<BR/><BR/>B. If the Police purpose was to secure evidence (eg Computers), then a Search Warrant would have sufficed<BR/><BR/>C. I appreciate that dragging Miss Turner out of bed at 6:30am was convenient & intellectually attractive for the Police because she would not have left for work at that ungodly hour <BR/><BR/>D. However, when dealing with the Liberty of the Citizen, the convenience of the Police is certainly not the paramount consideration - if Miss Turner really had to be arrested, the Police could have come at (say) 10:30am - if she were out, they could then have waited for her return or they could have come back later - indeed, in these circumstances, they could have made an appointment with her [& her advisers]<BR/><BR/>D. If you are a Policeman (or increasingly often in these enlightened times, a tax official) an arrest, AT home, AT 6:30am, can seem a terrifically gute idee. It encourages the Accused to become in a suitably "malleable" condition<BR/><BR/>E. However, I would urge the Trumpeter and everyone else to consider for a moment - each one of us (especially with this Government) must be increasingly at risk of finding ourselves at the receiving end of Police attention <BR/><BR/>Unless we are content to see ourselves or our neighbours treated in similarly brutal fashion, now is the time for us to ensure that the Police exercise there powers in an appropriately humane and accountable fashion <BR/><BR/>I remain your obedient servant etc<BR/><BR/>G EagleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169253323151203812007-01-20T00:35:00.000+00:002007-01-20T00:35:00.000+00:00Guido Fawkes has a lot of inside info on Ruth Turn...Guido Fawkes has a lot of inside <A HREF="http://5thnovember.blogspot.com/2006/03/capita-and-ruth-turner-part-i-network.html" REL="nofollow">info on Ruth Turner</A> - it appears she was previously a sort of PFI fixer in charge of outsourcing the whole of local government to Capita et al. The fact that she is now close to Blair says a lot about NLs priorities. Marvellous write-up in Private Eye today about the staggering amounts of taxpayers money now going on PFI. Of course, not a whisper of complaint about it from the Tories who will be 100% in favour of continuing it because of the graft it attracts. Meanwhile, our soldiers live in shitholes and our old folk have no carers. Brilliant!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169252323987689312007-01-20T00:18:00.000+00:002007-01-20T00:18:00.000+00:00And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy I'm n...<I>And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy I'm not sure I'd be having a very good night's sleep tonight..</I><BR/><BR/>Nah... Not really. Looks more like a campaign to placate the chattering classes by chucking a few sprats to the constabulary.Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169251847423407842007-01-20T00:10:00.000+00:002007-01-20T00:10:00.000+00:00H Eagle: "2. to arrest her at her Home - surely an...H Eagle: "2. to arrest her at her Home - surely an Englishman's home should be his Castle"<BR/><BR/>As a mater of actual fact, <I>she</I> is an irish citizen.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>Anon 11:41: What else do we know about Ruth Turner?<BR/><BR/>She was co-founder of the "Big Issue". So there will always be a pavement somewhere for her to set out her pitch after she gets out of clink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169250072467962582007-01-19T23:41:00.000+00:002007-01-19T23:41:00.000+00:00What else do we know about Ruth Turner? What conne...What else do we know about Ruth Turner? What connections does she have in the party? If she is just relying on Blair, she may be in deep trouble and so must he be for the police to make such a daring move. They must also have very good evidence now. I feel sorry for her though if she is just naive and has been caught up in the manipulations of people who should know better. But one wonders if any of the New Labour ministers really understand either Britain's constitution or the concept of the rule of law, or that they should consider carefully if any given action of theirs is lawful before they do it.<BR/><BR/>Did anyone else hear David Puttnam's very unwise comments on Radio 4 this evening that "the police have arrested the wrong person"? If he's not careful he will find himself up on a charge of Conspiracy to Pervert for that - interfering with the police in the conduct of their enquiries. Silly man and again typical of NL arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169248175322602132007-01-19T23:09:00.000+00:002007-01-19T23:09:00.000+00:00g eagle esq [5.40 p.m.] 1. If Yates has reason to ...g eagle esq [5.40 p.m.] <BR/><BR/>1. If Yates has reason to suspect "this Young Lady" of perverting the course of justice by obstructing his enquiries he would be very foolish to give her advance notice of his officers' visit. <BR/><BR/>The police cannot interview anyone whom they reasonably suspect has committed a criminal offence unless that person has first been arrested and cautioned. Any subsequent interview must then be tape recorded, with the suspect's solicitor present, if she requests it. All this is set out in the Codes of Practice which are very stricly enforced.<BR/><BR/>2 & 3. To arrest her at home, in the early hours of the morning, shows some discretion. Imagine the howls of indignation if she had been arrested at Downing Street. And on an ordinary working day she may well leave home by 7.0 or 7.30 a.m., as do thousands of Londoners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169241973615880922007-01-19T21:26:00.000+00:002007-01-19T21:26:00.000+00:00as I said on da Fink's blog a month ago with relat...as I said on da Fink's blog a month ago with relation to the Saudi affair and the rule of law, which Tim Montgomerie and Iain noted at the time:<BR/><BR/><I>"The rule of law having been dismissed, and the public interest having been equated with the Government's interests (for which Blair takes "full responsibility"), the Attorney General can now step in to halt the cash for honours enquiry. Not in the public interest, you see. While we're at it, why not arrest DC Yates for conduct prejudicial to national security?" </I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169241813854423922007-01-19T21:23:00.000+00:002007-01-19T21:23:00.000+00:00I, personally, don't think that the police have an...I, personally, don't think that the police have any substantial evidence against anyone in this case, unless of course Blair has already arranged for someone to be fitted up, and is still laying a trail of breadcrumbs that Plod can follow. All of the people arrested/interviewed so far have claimed innocence and I can't imagine anyone owning up so easily in a formal interview. Documentary evidence is about the only thing that can sink the ship and unless that can be directly associated with a particular person, or someone is shown to have guilty knowledge, then it's all meaningless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169241388921614922007-01-19T21:16:00.000+00:002007-01-19T21:16:00.000+00:00The thought of her answering the door to the boys ...The thought of her answering the door to the boys in blue at dawn in her nightie makes me laugh, given how she wondered round the Conference two years ago with her nose in the air. How are the high and mighty fallen. She might have the elfin prettiness of Winona Ryder, but she's really not a nice person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169239364432593772007-01-19T20:42:00.000+00:002007-01-19T20:42:00.000+00:00why? Even if convicted, they'll probably serve no ...why? Even if convicted, they'll probably serve no more than 3-6 months in an open prison and still move into lobbying straight afterwards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169237445778550172007-01-19T20:10:00.000+00:002007-01-19T20:10:00.000+00:00Yes, I think the fact that she was getting her own...Yes, I think the fact that she was getting her own, separate, independent legal advice was significant. Will she be the proverbial canary ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169235377340441022007-01-19T19:36:00.000+00:002007-01-19T19:36:00.000+00:00Innocent until proven guilty indeed! Haven't you h...Innocent until proven guilty indeed! Haven't you heard of New Labour's "modernisation" of the justice system? Shoot her now and send her parents a bill for the bullet, that's the socialist way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169231127502817742007-01-19T18:25:00.000+00:002007-01-19T18:25:00.000+00:00If you wear a snorkle there is no need to hold you...If you wear a snorkle there is no need to hold your breath...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169229914405901172007-01-19T18:05:00.000+00:002007-01-19T18:05:00.000+00:00Blair has announced "complete confidence"She's fin...Blair has announced "complete confidence"<BR/>She's finished then!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169228413059451772007-01-19T17:40:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:40:00.000+00:00Dear IainPerhaps I worry too much but I do worry a...Dear Iain<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I worry too much <BR/><BR/>but I do worry about whether it is proper in a Democracy for the Police in these circumstances :<BR/><BR/>1. to arrest this Young Lady at all, when there seems little likelihood of her either absconding or destroying evidence (this would have happened by now, if it was going to happen)<BR/><BR/>2. to arrest her at her Home - surely an Englishman's home should be his Castle<BR/><BR/>3. to arrest her at 6:30am - most of us are especially vulnerable at such an ungodly hour - why could the arrest have happened (if at all) at a more civilized hour<BR/><BR/>We have a Government which has <BR/><BR/>A. contrived to increase the Prison Population to over 80,000 (and rising) <BR/><BR/>B. increased the number of Criminal Offences<BR/><BR/>C. failed to make the expression of Christianity a criminal offence only because of opposition from the House of Lords<BR/><BR/>If the Police can without criticism arrest Ruth Turner at 6:30am at her Home, then surely we as Citizens would ourselves be open to arrest at 6:30am <BR/><BR/>Your obedient servant etc<BR/><BR/>G EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169227764345200412007-01-19T17:29:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:29:00.000+00:00Latest news. Ruth Turner emphatically denies any w...Latest news. Ruth Turner emphatically denies any wrongdoing whatsoever. Crumbs! That makes four wrongful arrests. Yates must be trembling in his socks. Not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169227427592923282007-01-19T17:23:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:23:00.000+00:00Yes, yes indeed Ed. got it in one. I hear Californ...Yes, yes indeed Ed. got it in one. I hear California is good this time of year, hell any time of the year really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169226381887694812007-01-19T17:06:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:06:00.000+00:00It says over on Guido's that the Attorney-General ...It says over on Guido's that the Attorney-General is going to be investigated and the results published if he fails to bring charges against these possible malfeasants.<BR/><BR/>Yes, 2br02b, her heart must have sunk down to her shoes when Blair offered his "full support".<BR/><BR/>Does Israel have an extradition treaty with us? They must have! Otherwise, Levy has right of abode there, but I don't think it will do him much good.<BR/><BR/>Looks like Brazil with Tony doing the salsa with Brazilian beach boys. Peter Mandelson would be happy to visit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169226334396817832007-01-19T17:05:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:05:00.000+00:00Careful Iain: they aren't doing the Tories haven't...Careful Iain: they aren't doing the Tories haven't done. The sooner honours for party service are scrapped the betterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169226215394301082007-01-19T17:03:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:03:00.000+00:00This has really brightened up my day. I think if I...This has really brightened up my day. I think if I have a daughter, I'll name her Yates.....well maybe not, perhaps the goldfish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169226011930331332007-01-19T17:00:00.000+00:002007-01-19T17:00:00.000+00:00"And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy" ......<I>"And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy"</I> <BR/><BR/><B>... or Anthony Charles Lynton Blair ...</B> <BR/><BR/><I>"I'm not sure I'd be having a very good night's sleep tonight."</I>Sabretachehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11652655872639394084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169225376187910912007-01-19T16:49:00.000+00:002007-01-19T16:49:00.000+00:00Always a more likely bet than offences under the P...Always a more likely bet than offences under the POCA or electoral law. I bet they have been silly billies getting a "line to take" and all that nonsense without realising quite what they were doing.<BR/><BR/>Now I wonder if the police can establish a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and if so how far and where will it lead?<BR/><BR/>Before we get all excited let us not forget that Lord Goldsmith dropped prosecutions in the Saudi arms case recently. Will he allow the law to run its course here if justice demands a trial? <BR/><BR/>BTW: The max penalty for the perversion of justice is up to life imprisonment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1169225279755494322007-01-19T16:47:00.000+00:002007-01-19T16:47:00.000+00:00"And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy I'm ..."And if my name were McTernan, Powell or Levy I'm not sure I'd be having a very good night's sleep tonight."<BR/><BR/>On the other hand if you were a real criminal taking money from people, mugging them or breaking into their homes and cars, you could be quite relaxed. <BR/><BR/>Past experience shows that "perverting the course of justice" is short hand for the police wants to make a gesture but can't quite find any real charges that would stick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com