tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post116741597263414305..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Polls, Two Party Politics & Why the LibDems Have a ProblemIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167592761615006182006-12-31T19:19:00.000+00:002006-12-31T19:19:00.000+00:00The only way to get rid of Gordon Brown is to vote...<I>The only way to get rid of Gordon Brown is to vote for David Cameron</I><BR/>But will we be able to tell the difference?Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167527956067881792006-12-31T01:19:00.000+00:002006-12-31T01:19:00.000+00:00"I think Cameron is anti-family and pro-drugs and ..."I think Cameron is anti-family and pro-drugs and we know that Blair is anti-British and anti-family," says Verity. Who needs to think, where Cameron is concerned? It is manifestly the case, as evidenced by his attractiveness to Lib Dem activists. No one who was not liek that could be attractive thereto.<BR/><BR/>As for Blair, quite apart from the fact that he mercifully only has months to go anyway, he's actually not as bad as the people who ran things under Thatcher and Major, including Thatcher and Major themselves, especially the former. Just look, objectively, at the political (and the related economic, social and cultural) record between 1979 and 1997.<BR/><BR/>Forget the personalities, and ask yourself what actually happened in and to Britain during those years where Europe, Northern Ireland, family policy, drugs policy, exchange rates, and so many other things were concerned? Then re-remember the personalities and apportion blame accordingly.<BR/><BR/>By 1997, there was a limited amount of damage left to do. Almost all of it had been done at least under, and very often actually by, Thatcher (especially) or Major.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167508674018561332006-12-30T19:57:00.000+00:002006-12-30T19:57:00.000+00:00I posted the following to John Redwood's blog (and...I posted the following to John Redwood's blog (and much to my surprise it appeared and remains there, which says something for him.)..."There is an open goal for any opposition, for God’s sake oppose… or roll over, get out of the way, and let a party with some balls get on with getting this country back to being an independent nation. Be realistic, the UK will have no real influence in Europe until France leaves it or pigs fly. I will vote UKIP, they could not be worse in opposition than the Conservative Party even if they have but one MP."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167503008309602392006-12-30T18:23:00.000+00:002006-12-30T18:23:00.000+00:00I'm afraid the Tories have a slight problem too, a...I'm afraid the Tories have a slight problem too, and Cameron is certainly one of them with his Polly Toynbee tendencies.<BR/><BR/>Apart from the leader, the only other problem is the rest of the party. It would be unfair to pick on anyone in particular, but "the Wintertons" sums it up nicely.<BR/><BR/>Only Iain Dale can save them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167480331667977812006-12-30T12:05:00.000+00:002006-12-30T12:05:00.000+00:00So the 2 parties will go into the next election on...So the 2 parties will go into the next election on the slogan;<BR/><BR/>"Vote Brown or Cameron - you have no other choice"<BR/><BR/>One can see why politicians are held in such high regard. Would that we had a system as democratic as Russia.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167479403758379132006-12-30T11:50:00.000+00:002006-12-30T11:50:00.000+00:00Put another way you have to vote for Gordon Brown ...Put another way you have to vote for Gordon Brown to rid the country of David CameronWill Parburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10840111935841426438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167477748390953912006-12-30T11:22:00.000+00:002006-12-30T11:22:00.000+00:00So Iain, what's the position on how to get rid of ...So Iain, what's the position on how to get rid of Brown and Cameron?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167456454596840232006-12-30T05:27:00.000+00:002006-12-30T05:27:00.000+00:00Verity said: "This election ought to be a walk-thr...Verity said: "This election ought to be a walk-through for the Tories, but with Cameron in charge, it won't be."<BR/><BR/>As usual, Verity is spot-on.<BR/><BR/>Is she marrying material?<BR/><BR/>You cannot escape the the glaring fact that Cam &the Tories should be slaughtering NuLab to an embarrassing extent. They aren't. Why? Because they're shite.<BR/><BR/>When natural Tories think this, there are serious problems afoot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167447251692270142006-12-30T02:54:00.000+00:002006-12-30T02:54:00.000+00:00David Lindsay - I didn't understand your entire po...David Lindsay - I didn't understand your entire post, but I think Cameron is anti-family and pro-drugs and we know that Blair is anti-British and anti-family.<BR/><BR/>So,who is the average British person who loves their country and wants to reverse the decline going to vote for? What's left? The BNP and UKIP. <BR/><BR/>And they did it to themselves.<BR/><BR/>I am so glad that they are destroying themselves, because they are not only worthless, but dangerous to our Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167433204207815812006-12-29T23:00:00.000+00:002006-12-29T23:00:00.000+00:00It's all a con. The consistent 34% that says, not ...It's all a con. The consistent 34% that says, not that it doesn't know, but that it is positively determined to vote, is invariably factored out and the poll recalculated accordingly for publication.<BR/><BR/>The fact that, as reported elsewhere on this blog, Cameron can attract prominent Lib Dems proves that he is so Eurofanatical, anti-family, pro-crime and pro-drugs that, while such views were no bar to working to Major (as they would have been no bar to working for Thatcher), he would actually be refused office by Blair. And that is quite a feat.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167430030880389032006-12-29T22:07:00.000+00:002006-12-29T22:07:00.000+00:00Brown would be more likely to stand up for Britain...Brown would be more likely to stand up for Britain in the EU - but that won't make much difference.<BR/><BR/>Nothing to lose in voting UKIP - at least I will have shown how I really feel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167425950304129162006-12-29T20:59:00.000+00:002006-12-29T20:59:00.000+00:00Iain, I think you underestimate the dislike a lot ...Iain, I think you underestimate the dislike a lot of people have for David Cameron. I loathe Tony Blair from the bottom of my heart, but I don't trust Cameron and don't like anything about him - from the way he peddled that kid around newspaper and magazine feature editors and had a manufactured photo op when it got into an NHS ambulance, to his chocolate orange faux outrage in the bookstore and his screamingly obvious manipulative trip to Norway and the huskies, his ridiculous 'green' credentials, leaving Winston Churchill off the list of greatest Englishmen and putting Nye Bevan on for the manipulative reason of looking 'inclusive'. He is repulsive, and he is not prime ministerial material. Like Blair, he is too self-regarding and self-congratulatory.<BR/><BR/>I think both major parties are going to be shocked by the way the votes go at the next election. I would not be surprised to see the BNP and UKIP get a seat or two - the voters driven away from the main parties by these two overweening, over-primping personalities and the nightmareish qualities of Gordon Brown.<BR/><BR/>This election ought to be a walk-through for the Tories, but with Cameron in charge, it won't be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167424257080502512006-12-29T20:30:00.000+00:002006-12-29T20:30:00.000+00:00The three logos at the top of the posting make a v...The three logos at the top of the posting make a very pretty picture. Who would have thought they represent a vicious, squalid struggle for power ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167423451959039362006-12-29T20:17:00.000+00:002006-12-29T20:17:00.000+00:00Iain, has Susanne Lamido been kicked out of the L...Iain, has Susanne Lamido been kicked out of the Lib Dems? <BR/><BR/>I tried posting the question on her website about 10 days ago but the post never appeared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167422149068787022006-12-29T19:55:00.000+00:002006-12-29T19:55:00.000+00:00I'm beginning to think that unless the Tories offe...I'm beginning to think that unless the Tories offer something startling they may only get in if enough are sick and tired of Labour.<BR/>Otherwise it is the devil we know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167418406581516802006-12-29T18:53:00.000+00:002006-12-29T18:53:00.000+00:00Bad news of the night,that the Americans have hand...Bad news of the night,that the Americans have handed over Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis to have his neck stretched.<BR/>It produces a bad omen for the weekends New Year Papers and puts our troops in a dangerous position,as well as making the world a no go area for the British until circumstances settle.<BR/>This two way party scenario is not important in these circumstances,especially as the Liberal Democrats have made IRAQ their central policy piece.Can any of us imagine the support the Libs will get if things get very black in the aftermath of Saddams executionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167418132373670662006-12-29T18:48:00.000+00:002006-12-29T18:48:00.000+00:00I can't stand GB either, but I'll never vote for C...I can't stand GB either, but I'll never vote for Cameron.<BR/><BR/>A bandwaggonista, playing to the green gallery, much easier to sound firm and statesman-like when one avoids minefields like the NHS, pensions, defence and taxation, even though the environnment is way down the priority list of concerns for most voters.<BR/><BR/>I don't like him and I don't trust him.<BR/>A bladder of wind hoisted as a standard to rally us.<BR/>Some hopes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167417986251719602006-12-29T18:46:00.000+00:002006-12-29T18:46:00.000+00:00Ming is the problem for the Liberal Democrats.As a...Ming is the problem for the Liberal Democrats.<BR/>As a blogger on "oxfordliberalBlogspot" states -<BR/>He looks as though he is just off the set for "RETURN OF THE DADDY"<BR/>The Blogspot goes on to give a good exponification of the state of the Liberals in the Southwest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167416915505832752006-12-29T18:28:00.000+00:002006-12-29T18:28:00.000+00:00The only way to get rid of Gordon Brown is to vote...<B>The only way to get rid of Gordon Brown is to vote for David Cameron</B><BR/>Or we could all show our contempt for the lot of them by writing "none of the above" on our balot papers?<BR/>Camerons a tosser (imho)and Gordons a certifiable celtic loon (ieho)booth parties need to self destruct ,we can then form some new ones. The libdems should just go to rupert Murdoch for funding , they give him so many headlines it would have to be worth his while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1167416682124881312006-12-29T18:24:00.000+00:002006-12-29T18:24:00.000+00:00But who do we vote for if we don't want Dave Camer...But who do we vote for if we don't want Dave Cameron either?<BR/><BR/>At least if Brown runs things for a bit, he'll be adding to future wilderness years for Labour.<BR/><BR/>If Cameron gets in, that'll hasten a Labour return.<BR/><BR/>Will probably be voting on principles, i.e. UKIP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com