tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post115877541215139382..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Jenny Tonge Returns to the GutterIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158994982561826392006-09-23T08:03:00.000+01:002006-09-23T08:03:00.000+01:00offensive, ignorant and repulsive comments, but th...offensive, ignorant and repulsive comments, but they're probably 100% correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158922136696340052006-09-22T11:48:00.000+01:002006-09-22T11:48:00.000+01:00"The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the we..."The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western world, its financial grips. I think they have probably got a certain grip on our party" <BR/><BR/>Over at Harry's Place she's become known as Kaboom Tonge. It kind of rolls off the tongue. <BR/><BR/>Let's face it, antisemitism is becoming increasingly acceptable on the left. Fortunately they are so politically irrelevant that they only have fools like Kaboom and Catman to lead them. Still the fact that this form of racism is defended by anyone is still very concerning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158846211378710832006-09-21T14:43:00.000+01:002006-09-21T14:43:00.000+01:00Gracchi and other commenters here seem to mistake ...Gracchi and other commenters here seem to mistake the word Jewish for the word pro-Israeli. There is a fundamental difference.ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462118851964861754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158838437249817382006-09-21T12:33:00.000+01:002006-09-21T12:33:00.000+01:00Jenny Tonge is the Lib Dems Michael Meacher. To be...Jenny Tonge is the Lib Dems Michael Meacher. To be fair to them anybody choosing to join knows that they are choosing a path which will not automaticaly lead to office. She had to make do with the Lords.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158831220498976792006-09-21T10:33:00.000+01:002006-09-21T10:33:00.000+01:00'In January 2004 Tonge was was sacked as a front b...'In January 2004 Tonge was was sacked as a front bench Liberal Democrat spokesperson after expressing support for Palestinian suicide bombers.'<BR/><BR/>Strange my recollection was that all she said was she could understand why someone would become one not that she condoned it? <BR/><BR/>This BBC report seems to back up my memory: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3421669.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158829172881240392006-09-21T09:59:00.000+01:002006-09-21T09:59:00.000+01:00So I have to choose between three options then, Ia...So I have to choose between three options then, Iain? I can be pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian or pro-debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158825051322141092006-09-21T08:50:00.000+01:002006-09-21T08:50:00.000+01:00Well done tapestry, wrong again. She was speaking ...Well done tapestry, wrong again. She was speaking at a meeting of the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign not any Lib Dem "platform". <BR/><BR/>Yes, that's the same PSC that your own Lord Gilmour is a patron of.Paul Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941688096751778537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158823794033312612006-09-21T08:29:00.000+01:002006-09-21T08:29:00.000+01:00Oh man, nearly 60 years have passed by since Hitle...Oh man, nearly 60 years have passed by since Hitler and his nasty ideas were culled, and this illiterate people-hating rubbish is still peddled.<BR/><BR/>Can anyone be 'de-peered' yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158810015074653292006-09-21T04:40:00.000+01:002006-09-21T04:40:00.000+01:00Sure Dynamite but unlike the LD's, Conservatives k...Sure Dynamite but unlike the LD's, Conservatives keep the nutters off the Platform.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158805115067070152006-09-21T03:18:00.000+01:002006-09-21T03:18:00.000+01:00The point is that Tonge is factually wrong- I can'...The point is that Tonge is factually wrong- I can't think of many Jewish cabinet ministers, the media moguls off the top of my head I can think of- Murdoch etc aren't Jewish etc. Beyond that many of the Jews I know are actually anti Isreal- Jews like British people have different views on different issues. Tonge just doesn't seem to know what she is talking about.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore by stating those inaccurate comments she is feeding a feeling which is not merely inaccurate but dangerous. Like any comment which says that all Muslims are terrorists: a comment which says that the reason the world is not a great place is that the Jews lie behind it reinforces a dangerous inaccuracy and antisemitic hatred of Jews. The truth is that Jews no more lie behind the policies of the British government, the media or the Libdems than Muslims are all terrorists.Gracchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06344262838391424797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158798117385806682006-09-21T01:21:00.000+01:002006-09-21T01:21:00.000+01:00Quite frankly, anyone who shocks the pro-Israeli l...Quite frankly, anyone who shocks the pro-Israeli lobby deserves applause rather than vilification.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and tapestry: having read your blog, if your standards of literacy are anything to go by, you wouldn't pass the entrance test for the Lib Dems.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00287942194092114567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158796216847007932006-09-21T00:50:00.000+01:002006-09-21T00:50:00.000+01:00charlie hellfire - could you tell us which members...charlie hellfire - could you tell us which members of the media are Jewish-owned, please? Which newspapers? Which magazines? Which TV companies?<BR/><BR/>Which members of the government (the government? tony blair's lot of chancers?) are following a Jewish agenda?<BR/><BR/>Tonge is as ignorant as the Blairina, who thinks that immigrant self-detonators are depressed by the state of the Palestinian refugees, and that is going it some.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158792955096756862006-09-20T23:55:00.000+01:002006-09-20T23:55:00.000+01:00Her views on a particular topic don't come into it...Her views on a particular topic don't come into it. She is a fool, irrespective of whether she's pro- or anti- Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158792359026868972006-09-20T23:45:00.000+01:002006-09-20T23:45:00.000+01:00Anti-semitic - what does that mean?If you say Isra...Anti-semitic - what does that mean?<BR/><BR/>If you say Israel killed a lot of innocent people in Lebanon is that anti-semitic?<BR/><BR/>If you say jews control Hollywood is that anti-semitic?<BR/><BR/>I would be amongst the first to say what happened to the Jews under Hilter was vile and evil but that doesn't give give them carte blanche to do whatever they want in this world.<BR/><BR/>There's can be no doubt whatsoever that Aerial Sharon is a war criminal - does saying that make me anti-semitic? I think it makes me anti-war criminal,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158789616188773932006-09-20T23:00:00.000+01:002006-09-20T23:00:00.000+01:00I know full well that it isnt the Jews we should b...I know full well that it isnt the Jews we should be worried about...<BR/><BR/>...its the Squirells! Have you noticed - they are everywhere - peeking from behind trees - nibbling your nuts!<BR/><BR/>THEY ARE THE REAL ENEMY!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158787879848526722006-09-20T22:31:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:31:00.000+01:00That's a pretty balanced cross section of views yo...That's a pretty balanced cross section of views you've got there. Noting a pro-Israeli bias is hardly a sacking offence. <BR/><BR/>It seems to be a knee jerk response of the pro-Israel lobby that any criticism of Israel is anti-semetism. It's nothing of the kind.ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462118851964861754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158787611892166642006-09-20T22:26:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:26:00.000+01:00I need help with Iain's asterisks. Is that two thr...I need help with Iain's asterisks. Is that two three letter words at the end?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158787472643892832006-09-20T22:24:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:24:00.000+01:00Charlie Hellfire said, "Jenny Tonge, as far as I'm...Charlie Hellfire said, "Jenny Tonge, as far as I'm concerned is spot on. The Jewish lobby can whinge all they want but the facts speak for themselves. Banking, big business, Hollywood, government AND the media in general are run by the Semites, the reason we are in Iraq is down to them. They have way too much power."<BR/><BR/>C'mon Charlie, you can do better than that. Has no-one pointed out to you Warren Mitchell's Jewish ? Your either taking the piss (the same reason Mitchell took the role of Alf Garnett), or you're an anti-semitic, half-baked, ignoramous (you'll have to ask Jenny Tonge for reasons people take that role).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158787418263297652006-09-20T22:23:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:23:00.000+01:00Oh dear Ed, you make my point better than I did my...Oh dear Ed, you make my point better than I did myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158786925312829562006-09-20T22:15:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:15:00.000+01:00Anonymong 9:56 - How the hell is context going to ...Anonymong 9:56 - How the hell is context going to make a blind bit of difference? She perpetuated the great anti-semitic conspiracy theory of the modern era: 'Jews control the media, oh yes, and the banking system too'. I don't give a damn about 'context', she could have said it whilst standing on her head for all I care. She is a vicious, rabid jew-hater and should be sacked. Immediately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158786051535336622006-09-20T22:00:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:00:00.000+01:00We all know 90% of politicians are twats. But it'...We all know 90% of politicians are twats. But it's ok because they know it too. It's the nudge-nudge part of politics.<BR/><BR/>However, every now and again you get a super-tw*t who actually believes the rubbish they come out with. Tonge is one of these.<BR/><BR/>It's kind of pointless to slag her off because she doesn't understand the real world.<BR/><BR/>I know we criticise some politicians as 2nd-rate for fun, but this cookie is really off the scale. I'd call her dangerous but that implies influence. There is something seriously not right about her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158785785631791562006-09-20T21:56:00.000+01:002006-09-20T21:56:00.000+01:00Can we start by getting her comments posted in ful...Can we start by getting her comments posted in full so that they can be read in context. Then can we have a sensible discussion instead of Yah Boo.<BR/><BR/>The answer to both these is doubtless and sadly, "no".<BR/><BR/>Enjoy your prejudices, all of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158785583099241312006-09-20T21:53:00.000+01:002006-09-20T21:53:00.000+01:00Freedom of speech entitles Jenny to say these thin...Freedom of speech entitles Jenny to say these things, and for others to say that they disagree with them. <BR/><BR/>The only problem is her status as a LibDem peer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158783134019243572006-09-20T21:12:00.001+01:002006-09-20T21:12:00.001+01:00philip walling said - 'If I wasn't on her side bef...philip walling said - 'If I wasn't on her side before she was attacked I am inclined to be now.'<BR/><BR/>Go on, admit it: you held those views before the Tonge uttered them.<BR/><BR/>ACAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1158783123336384972006-09-20T21:12:00.000+01:002006-09-20T21:12:00.000+01:00philip walling ...knowing she is going to be met w...philip walling <I>...knowing she is going to be met with such a barrage of...</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I think that she is too stupid to realise quite how offensive, ignorant and repulsive her comments actually are. <BR/><BR/>To paraphrase you: if I didn't think she was a raving idiot before she was attacked I am now certain that she is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com