tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post115660770668109077..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Should the Opposition be More Pro-Active?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156696043706543882006-08-27T17:27:00.000+01:002006-08-27T17:27:00.000+01:00uk daily pundit - Why not gratuitously insult Stra...uk daily pundit - Why not gratuitously insult Strapworld and his/her friends, none of whom, presumably, you know? They hold an opposing point of view to your own, after all, so deserve to be insulted.<BR/><BR/>There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ... and there may be tens of thousands of business people somewhat more elevated than those of your imagination, whose frustration is going to boil over at the ballot box.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156694468391386552006-08-27T17:01:00.000+01:002006-08-27T17:01:00.000+01:00Strapworld said: "I have noted elsewhere of a lunc...Strapworld said: "I have noted elsewhere of a lunch on Friday I attended and the support amongst decent hardworking business people for the BNP."<BR/><BR/>Two scrap dealers and one maggot breeder doesn't constitute support.The Daily Pundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897210727324532431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156669647618074012006-08-27T10:07:00.000+01:002006-08-27T10:07:00.000+01:00Iain,I did send you an email asking if you would a...Iain,<BR/><BR/>I did send you an email asking if you would ask your commentators what they thought of Ruth Kelly's Commission. I also asked if you knew the make up of this commission.<BR/><BR/>That the Cameron Tories have said nothing or queried the make up of this commission worries me.<BR/><BR/>Believe me the issue of race and immigration is one that needs a cool head and leadership. The white population is feeling disenfranchised from its politicians and that must be worrying.<BR/><BR/>I have noted elsewhere of a lunch on Friday I attended and the support amongst decent hardworking business people for the BNP. It is time for leadership and certainly not ridiculous headline grabbing statements such as today's South African nonsense....Cameron is in fact saying urban terrorism is okay by him, think about it!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156647729566911172006-08-27T04:02:00.000+01:002006-08-27T04:02:00.000+01:00What shadow cabinet?What shadow cabinet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156630131981759312006-08-26T23:08:00.000+01:002006-08-26T23:08:00.000+01:00hm stanley - Thanks so much for clearing that up. ...hm stanley - Thanks so much for clearing that up. There's a particular type of chippy/leftie Brit, like emma f who is willing to share the wealth of misinformation she holds dear, who think they can understand American political usage by osmosis. They hear a phrase and, knowing nothing of the context, or indeed the personalities - does emma sharing the wealth have the faintest idea who Pat Buchanan is? - fling it around with terrible misplaced confidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156627106070992732006-08-26T22:18:00.000+01:002006-08-26T22:18:00.000+01:00John Coles, you are so very wrong. John Bercow and...John Coles, you are so very wrong. John Bercow and Eric Forth were very close during that Parliament and coordinated their activities. Indeed, I understand that they remained close personally right up to Eric's death. I remember someone telling me on the day Eric died that John Bercow was inconsolable.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156626215279976732006-08-26T22:03:00.000+01:002006-08-26T22:03:00.000+01:00emma f: "Goodness let's all have a rethink." (cf. ...emma f: "Goodness let's all have a rethink." (cf. "We need a debate".) No, goodness, let's not. Direct your reforming zeal at the lib-dems where it belongs.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156625561466693062006-08-26T21:52:00.000+01:002006-08-26T21:52:00.000+01:00As a genuinely Anglo-American political junkie, on...As a genuinely Anglo-American political junkie, one of my biggest pet peeves is the Brits' misuse of the term "neocon" or worse still, "neocon right"...and I mean you, emma f.<BR/><BR/>Fact: "Neocon" is not the "vituperative epithet" [for the legally inclined, Baron Bramwell's exasperated description of that strange adjective, "gross" negligence] of choice to hurl at the extreme right if one is so inclined. That would be "paleo-conservative", a la Pat Buchanan, Bill Buckley, Bob Novak, all of whom would take umbrage at being called neocons.<BR/><BR/>Fact: Neocons [Richard Perle/ex-CIA Director Jim Woolsey, et al] are actually former democrats who defected to the right as a result of the democrats' weakness in defence during cold war. The equivalent would be [name your Tory of choice] who defected to the the right in the 80s as a result of Labor's looniness and Maggie's seriousness in tackling issues of the day.<BR/><BR/>Fact: Most neocons are not that right wing at all. In fact, like Bill Kristol, they proudly call themselves "big government" conservatives [an equivalent of One Nation Toryism, if there is one].<BR/><BR/>Fact: People in the know would never describe Rummie/Cheney/Condi as neocons...sorry for those who hate them.<BR/><BR/>So let us get our terminolgies right.<BR/><BR/>Sorry. Had to get that off my chest!!!HM Stanleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14229047652893990522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156624417257175622006-08-26T21:33:00.000+01:002006-08-26T21:33:00.000+01:00yOU HAVE LIVENED UP SOMEWHAT TO THE BORING LACKLUS...yOU HAVE LIVENED UP SOMEWHAT TO THE BORING LACKLUSTRE BLOGGING EARLIER TODAY.3/10 FOR IMPROVEMENT.<BR/>1/10 FOR HOMEPAGE.HAVE YOU ALL BEEN NOBBLED AS SUGGESTED EARLIER TODAY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156624116367844542006-08-26T21:28:00.000+01:002006-08-26T21:28:00.000+01:00The shadow cabinet is so in the shade its no wonde...The shadow cabinet is so in the shade its no wonder we never see them or know of them or see them. The whole crew want sacking and replacing.Some of the best replacements are out there on the "DISAPPROVED LIST"waiting for there chance as local candidates.Also a few bloggers have of course said that you Iain are more effective than the shadow members.I say sack em all and thatll shake them into the political daylights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156623415164958562006-08-26T21:16:00.000+01:002006-08-26T21:16:00.000+01:00Verity hasnt had much support...so Id like to agre...Verity hasnt had much support...so Id like to agree with her line totally. Emma F says conservative supporters have lurched to the right...I dont think so -- its the conservative head boys sliding to the left...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156622886225697372006-08-26T21:08:00.000+01:002006-08-26T21:08:00.000+01:00Very well said,Rick.Very well said,Rick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156620676402447062006-08-26T20:31:00.000+01:002006-08-26T20:31:00.000+01:00Emma F is a bit out of date - "One Nation" Conserv...Emma F is a bit out of date - "One Nation" Conservatism was possible in the 1950s because of collective experience in 6 years of World War..................this is no longer 'one nation' - it is not even the two nations of Disraeli's <I> Sybil </I>.................it is in fact a disintegrating polity with no overarching themes and no ability of the political class to articulate an overarching narrative.<BR/><BR/>There are no institutions which bind, no common experiences, no common values - the 1970s stretched them, the 1980s broke them, the 1990s betrayed them -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156620121747422792006-08-26T20:22:00.000+01:002006-08-26T20:22:00.000+01:00anonymous 7:14 - You are correct. It is indeed wh...anonymous 7:14 - You are correct. It is indeed whom. Careless.<BR/><BR/>"Grow up" in preachy, hectoring, bossy Britain means, "Be more like me." So thanks; I'll take a pass.<BR/><BR/>Doctors, nurses, hospital cleaners who keep hospitals filthy, porters, lab technicians, etc should not be in the public sector at all. So yes, I would slash them all. They are part of the 80%. There's no excuse for a Sovietesque "health service". Privatise it and free up the mandatory contributions so people in employment can buy their own health insurance. For the amount of their salaries the government commandeers and spends ill, they could buy very comfortable health insurance indeed.<BR/><BR/>Our armed services,cherish. They are part of the 20% I would gladly pay more for. <BR/><BR/>The police in Britain seem to work actively against the citizenry, so either a privatised police force, or elected police chiefs. (I favour the latter, having seen it work.)<BR/><BR/>You write: "prison officers, and others who do the sort of jobs that are beneath you." I don't know. I might quite enjoy being a prison officer as long as we were allowed to shoot attempted escapees. <BR/><BR/>I'm not any face at all of the Conservative Party because I don't belong and won't be voting for them as long as Brazilian Wax Cabana Boy is in charge.<BR/><BR/>But the public sector should be slashed by 80%. Let people buy the services they want from privatised companies, not be forced to subsidise other people's services.<BR/><BR/>You may think that emma shares the wealth's twinkletoes faux Conservatism is going to win an elections, but I would say most real Conservatives - who haven't even "lurched" to the right - will resist Cabana Boy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156617028112000812006-08-26T19:30:00.000+01:002006-08-26T19:30:00.000+01:00I agree with "anonymous" and "emma".I do agree a b...I agree with "anonymous" and "emma".<BR/><BR/>I do agree a bit that the Shadow Cabinet seem a bit invisible at times, but I wonder if it's not an active strategy by the party? The Telegraph and the Hefferites are constantly moaning that with the government behaving so badly, we ought to be at least 500 million of your earth points ahead in the polls; but I'm not sure. I don't think it's such a bad idea to allow the government to flounder and stew on its own. If the shadow cabinet joined in the kicking on every issue they would be accused of bandwagonism (this happened to us in the past). <BR/><BR/>Two backbench Conservative MPs who are doing a great job are Grant Schapps (sp? Sorry!) and Richard Bacon. We heard Richard Bacon early on Friday morning on the financial slot of Today, talking about the NHS IT disaster - he was great, well informed, scathing about the government but constructive at the same time. I wish we heard more Tory MPs on the media like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156616054806924452006-08-26T19:14:00.000+01:002006-08-26T19:14:00.000+01:00Verity"..slash the number of public servants, who ...Verity<BR/><BR/>"..slash the number of public servants, who I refuse to appreciate, by, oh, 80%?"<BR/><BR/>It's "whom", by the way, Verity. And these public servants "who" you refuse to appreciate doubtless include policemen/women, soldiers, doctors, nurses, dustmen, lollipop ladies, hospital porters, firefighters, prison officers, and others who do the sort of jobs that are beneath you.<BR/>You are truly the nasty face of the Conservative Party - no wonder Cameron has a struggle on his hands. Despite your sneer about her mental wealth, emma f speaks far more sense in one post than you do in dozens. Grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156615773562268132006-08-26T19:09:00.000+01:002006-08-26T19:09:00.000+01:00Bring back "Spitting Image" - by far the most pro-...Bring back "Spitting Image" - by far the most pro-active opposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156615437298826482006-08-26T19:03:00.000+01:002006-08-26T19:03:00.000+01:00It's a bitter pill for a Labour voter to swallow, ...It's a bitter pill for a Labour voter to swallow, but to be honest the Tories are clearly better off having a quiet summer. Labour's poll ratings are collapsing entirely because of their own actions, so why would the Tories need to stick their noses in? Especially so far (presumably) from a General Election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156613786930225962006-08-26T18:36:00.000+01:002006-08-26T18:36:00.000+01:00emma f shares the wealth (although she can ill aff...emma f shares the wealth (although she can ill afford to share any mental wealth): "many conservative supporters have lurched so far to the neocon right that they are effectively unelectable."<BR/><BR/>How does one "lurch" to the right? Can one be sober, or is this something one does after a few drinks? What constitutes a "lurch", as opposed to a reasoned decision to adapt a more confrontational stance given new circumstances? Is it sudden, or can one "lurch" in slo-mo? <BR/><BR/>Your attempt to discredit Conservatives who do not agree with you fails because you are too intemperate.<BR/><BR/>"Goodness let's all have a rethink." No thanks. I had a rethink months ago and am very clear on what I think.<BR/><BR/>"We need a new forward-looking centrist and modernised Tory party that accepts internationalism and Europe, wants Britain to succeed" ... I believe the Tories have always been keen adherents of interntionalism and international commerce. "...accepts the value of public services and servants," ... Why? Why not accept the value of privately funded and managed services and enterprise and slash the number of public servants, who I refuse to appreciate, by, oh, 80%? <BR/><BR/>"... and leads the way on green industries" ... err, no. "... and support both for firm international policies against Islamic extremism," No, again. "International policies" is code for 15 years' blether in the UN from international thugs. Britain is perfectly capable of devising its own "policies against Islamic extremism" (these being, kill Islamic extremists).<BR/><BR/>"... backing for the US where it needs it and firm but rational policies on immigration and law and order." This empty sentence isn't worth commenting on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156613392153129972006-08-26T18:29:00.000+01:002006-08-26T18:29:00.000+01:00Agree that the shadow cabinet are pretty inactive,...Agree that the shadow cabinet are pretty inactive, whether through idleness or leadership dictat. <BR/>Anyway, it ain't healthy. They should be putting themselves about or making way for colleagues with a little more energy.<BR/>The biggest moaner about Tory inactivity is Tim Montgomerie of ConHome. Yet where is his hero, the good doctor? Still on his honeymoon?<BR/> Personally, I'm in favour of a reshuffle. It might concentrate a few minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156613251181609212006-08-26T18:27:00.000+01:002006-08-26T18:27:00.000+01:00David Cameron hasn't said anything to convince me ...David Cameron hasn't said anything to convince me that I should change my voting habits.<BR/><BR/>He's falling into the 'I want to be everything to everyone' trap as far as I can see.<BR/><BR/>I live in a safe Conservative seat but I haven't seen an MP or prospective MP in the twenty years I've lived here despite the fact that the local council ward in which I live always returns Lib Dem councillors. Instead of preaching to the converted it might help increase your party's chances across the country if you tried to win over those of us who are fed up with Nu Labour but can't see Cameron delivering the goods.<BR/><BR/>I think that for the Conservatives, to borrow from the words of my football teams most famous song it may be a case of "Fortunes always hiding."Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15984687997030721919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156612011120474992006-08-26T18:06:00.000+01:002006-08-26T18:06:00.000+01:00Its the economy stupid ! No matter how certain it ...Its the economy stupid ! No matter how certain it is that Gordon's economic miracle is heading for disaster, it hasn't happened yet. A little tightening of the belt caused by rising prices and interest rates doesn't produce a government meltdown.<BR/><BR/>The present headline dissatisfaction with Blair is mostly left wing dissatisfaction. How can the Tories make the pace ? If they attack foreign policy Blair will play the patriotic card. <BR/><BR/>It is assumed that Cameron's move to the middle ground is to attract moderate voters. Maybe, but its most important effect might be to influence the nature of the left of centre split of the vote. If the Tories do not appear too appalling in left of centre eyes the unofficial and unorganised electoral pact in the constituencies whereby Liberals vote Labour to keep out the Tories might fall apart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156611465016305322006-08-26T17:57:00.000+01:002006-08-26T17:57:00.000+01:00Bob you are being your usual positive self. Does M...Bob you are being your usual positive self. Does Mr Gordon Brown's aninymity have anything to do with the fact that he wants to distance himself for the policy failings of this current Government I wonder?Jonathan Sheppardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07268578038100287575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156610273892267622006-08-26T17:37:00.000+01:002006-08-26T17:37:00.000+01:00The media are clearly struggling. I've heard you o...The media are clearly struggling. I've heard <I>you</I> on the radio twice this month.<BR/><BR/>Politicians seem to get more holidays than teachers.ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462118851964861754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1156609171725558172006-08-26T17:19:00.000+01:002006-08-26T17:19:00.000+01:00Iain, the shadow cabinet are no more visible when ...Iain, the shadow cabinet are no more visible when Parliament is sitting. I suspect it is part of the Conservative "sell the Leader" strategy and relegate everyone else to minor walk on parts. It is a dangerous strategy. Should Cameron plunge in the popularity stakes... there is no Plan B and you can look forward to another 4 years in the wilderness.Bob Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792439016502695274noreply@blogger.com