tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1138817790662270563..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Political Artist Goes for BrownIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger121125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79963100768971243242010-03-29T16:05:22.150+01:002010-03-29T16:05:22.150+01:00"I have reported the fact that a reasonably w..."I have reported the fact that a reasonably well known artist has created a bit of controversial political art. The key word here is 'reported'."<br /><br />No, you published them. You can't weasel out of it like that. You didn't provide a link. You included them.<br /><br />I haven't got a huge problem with the images, but you can't wash your hands of the moral implications of including them.PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02055930721322688454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79349083632042611152010-03-06T09:02:17.559+00:002010-03-06T09:02:17.559+00:00@ douglas beeb
Ah, the sincerest form of flattery...@ douglas beeb<br /><br />Ah, the sincerest form of flattery - but proving that art can indeed imitate art.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58650879664246179222010-03-05T20:44:10.747+00:002010-03-05T20:44:10.747+00:00hey I love the way you've hitlered Gordon Brow...hey I love the way you've hitlered Gordon Brown, we've hitlered David Cameron too. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BimSZ6ozDj4" rel="nofollow">Cameron's Downfall</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11678971600813104544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17688777856994178982010-02-23T15:42:58.913+00:002010-02-23T15:42:58.913+00:00Gordon Brown is guilty of a Reign of Error. He and...Gordon Brown is guilty of a Reign of Error. He and his comrades have changed this country beyond recognition without a proper mandate to do so. His financial incompetence has plunged future generations of this country into debt that is beyond comprehension or precedence. I find it most entertaining when the lefties get indignant at having their own type of spin turned against them. Keep up the good work Iain, Brown and his incompetent bullying comrades deserves all the opprobrium that can be heaped upon them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01033438224332636782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6438414890280576672010-02-23T10:40:33.464+00:002010-02-23T10:40:33.464+00:00At least Hitler made a proper crack at getting his...At least Hitler made a proper crack at getting his army properly supplied.<br /><br />Only kidding. <br /><br />I thought the work was valid. It raised an important philosophical question regarding the morality of motivation compared to the morality of outcome. <br /><br />The point of 'error' being that it was unintended. I do not consider the work as comparing Hitler's beliefs with Browns.<br /><br />For any Labour person to complain on any level about personal abuse is frankly a joke after the non-stop personal hate politics they have maintained for years and years. Half their reasoning is based around the self-righteous belief that they are somehow the heroes against the villainous Tories who presumably are only doing this for the blood of virgins or somesuch.<br /><br />This does raise a related point which bugs me. Communism has killed many many more people than Nazism or even all fascism. Yet your job prospects in this country are almost non-existent if you are a confirmed ex-fascist, yet if you are an ex-communist you are free to land half the high-powered jobs in the land.<br /><br />Please explain to me, Tom Harris in particular, why folks are not so apoplectic when Brown is compared to Stalin every two weeks in Private Eye?<br /><br />BTW Iain, the 'I was just reporting it' line is a bit shoddy. Especially as you reprinted the images. Sounds a bit like 'I was only following orders'... opps, Godwin's again.OldSlaughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807170326475262427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76929070049816552412010-02-23T00:00:47.215+00:002010-02-23T00:00:47.215+00:00From a very deep trough, this is without doubt the...From a very deep trough, this is without doubt the most appalling blog you have ever posted. You should be ashamed.North Briton 45https://www.blogger.com/profile/05803316413646159193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69094561997505409582010-02-22T17:53:51.990+00:002010-02-22T17:53:51.990+00:00Hi Iain,
Your poor leftie readers really don'...Hi Iain,<br /><br />Your poor leftie readers really don't like it up 'em, do they? They really don't get it that Hitler was a socialist.<br /><br />Or perhaps they do, unconsciously, and they can't bear the realisation that this socialist, vegetarian, environmentalist, anti-smoking nut was one of their own.<br /><br />BTW, there's a great Downfall video, based on Brown, here:<br /><br />=> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgwR1pA1k0<br /><br />Or did Hitler travel through a crazy time machine to the Bunker at Downing Street, to base his own Berlin Bunker on the one currently behind the gates in Downing Street?<br /><br />Rgds,<br />JackM<br /><br />PS> BTW, the next time one of them mentions "Godwin's Law", ask them to show you a copy of the contract you signed agreeing to follow its provisions.Jack Maturinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00903651577858853608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16599621183976404672010-02-22T13:39:18.752+00:002010-02-22T13:39:18.752+00:00Ho ho!
Gordon Brown as Hitler is very funny, but....Ho ho!<br /><br />Gordon Brown as Hitler is very funny, but...<br /><br /><a href="http://angrysoba.blogspot.com/2009/02/iain-hitler.html" rel="nofollow">I'm so much funnier!</a>angrysobahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674288680077237267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7576395775206239332010-02-22T13:07:55.469+00:002010-02-22T13:07:55.469+00:00Another similarity with Hitler is that his opponen...Another similarity with Hitler is that his opponents didn't want to kill him off.<br /><br />Operation Foxley, the SOE's plan to assassinate Hitler in 1944, was never carried out. The reason? His rash behaviour and bad decision-making was an asset to the Allies in the war, and getting rid of him would have made Germany's defeat more difficult.<br /><br />So you can see the similarities with the Tories' approach to Brown..................................https://www.blogger.com/profile/09387648864595329094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52151069925430814122010-02-22T11:02:04.938+00:002010-02-22T11:02:04.938+00:00Check out this quote from Hitler in 1927.
If it...Check out <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/billy_blofeld/4351475370/" rel="nofollow">this quote from Hitler in 1927.</a> <br /><br />If it hadn't been Adolf who said those words, Gordon couldn't have hoped for a better warm up act before jumping on stage to try and sell us his Tobin Tax.Billy Blofeldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02973682006107803539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78189526983012674402010-02-22T10:55:13.696+00:002010-02-22T10:55:13.696+00:00Iain,
I'm a bit late with this, but I suggest...Iain,<br /><br />I'm a bit late with this, but I suggest that many of those who have commented here should read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38959995158168000992010-02-22T09:51:41.932+00:002010-02-22T09:51:41.932+00:00Just because someone claims it to be art does not ...Just because someone claims it to be art does not make it so. Just because you claim to report a fact does not make it anything other than a biased and deeply unpleasant comparison. Gordon Brown is not comparable to Hitler and this post is beneath you. <br /><br />Good to see that the Tories really meant it when they promised an end to Punch & Judy politics.PoliticalHackUKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03415484385177871124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83513941248079055952010-02-22T09:46:20.714+00:002010-02-22T09:46:20.714+00:00Newmania
I'll lay off the faint praise if you...Newmania<br /><br />I'll lay off the faint praise if you lay off putting words in my mouth.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5287029854501760472010-02-22T05:26:57.390+00:002010-02-22T05:26:57.390+00:00I've read through a few comments and have come...I've read through a few comments and have come to the conclusion that if the right and wrong of this are based on whether Iain was endorsing or merely reporting it, then only Iain knows if this is a 'justifiable' post or not. As long as he knows in his own mind that he is simply 'reporting' the existence of this artwork then I don't see what all the fuss is about.<br /><br />They are negative but I think some comments here are more negative and have gone a bit aboard about it.<br /><br />Calm down.<br /><br />But what if Iain did post it because he liked it and saw it as an electioneering tool. Is that wrong? I'm not sure. It may not be the best piece of satirical art you'll ever set your eyes on but not all people appreciate the same works of art equally.<br />I don't think I'm offended by this whichever was the reason. Does that make me a bad person? I find it hard to get angry about some things, and this is one of them. <br /><br />You might think I'm not offended because I'm tory leaning. But I don't think I would be'offended'if the same had been done to Cameron's image. I believe Iain is being honest when he says he is simply reporting it.<br /><br />Gordon Brown isn't Hitler. The creation or publishing of an image like this doesn't make Brown a leader who has caused the death of millions. The image won't affect the opinions people already have.<br /><br />And when people talk of the 'nasty party'. In the nasty party stakes; for me, Labour wins hands down, even though I hated the tories in the 80s. The 'nasty party' tag has been ressurected by the left because that's almost all they have left to fight with. Repeat a lie enough times and people may start to believe its true.A Cloaked Figurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14656898440075041416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45614219220243449502010-02-22T00:18:25.855+00:002010-02-22T00:18:25.855+00:00Looking at the picture of Gordon with the Hitler h...Looking at the picture of Gordon with the Hitler hair-cut again I reckon that there is a greater similarity with Tony Hancock. <br /><br />A comparison between Brown and the character played by Tony Hancock seems much more enlightening.<br /><br />If you read the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hancock you'll pick out many similarites....<br /><br />But I offer:<br />Bill Kerr - Alistair Darling<br />Sid James - Alan Sugar<br />Mandleson - Kenneth Williams<br />Harriet Harman - Hattie Jacques<br /><br />In the end Tony Hancock fell out with everybody.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68420499719086007192010-02-21T22:42:57.050+00:002010-02-21T22:42:57.050+00:00T Boy Said -It is perfectly possible to be a Conse...T Boy Said -<i>It is perfectly possible to be a Conservative without being a racist. Some people who are Conservatives are racist and a greater number take nationalism too far - and I will point this out when it happens but I don't believe these to be universal afflictions among Conservatives....</i><br /><br /><br />Really : <br />Labour voters who say the BNP is their second choice - 35%<br />Conservatives who would vote for the BNP... virtually none <br /><br />So I think I can do without your faint praise and incidentally Fascist was an Italian idiom for Trade Union or collective.<br />Brown may not be Hitler yet but then Mussolini was so popular into the 30s that the original version of "You're the tops" included this verse which was later dropped <br /><br />Your the Tops <br />You`re the great Houdini<br />You`re the tops <br />You are Mussolini<br /><br /><br />Do you really think it is impossible that Brown could become a dictator if no-one stopped him ? Do you really ?Luckily we do not have to find out.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82642001966326899232010-02-21T22:09:09.824+00:002010-02-21T22:09:09.824+00:00Words and, for that matter pictures too, never hur...Words and, for that matter pictures too, never hurt anyone, but bloody missiles do!<br /><br />I would reckon that a Nokia thrown by that bad tempered maniac, could have caused serious injury if an unwitting person moved into its flight path.<br /><br />Having had a school friend seriously injured by a lunatic teacher throwing a wooden board duster at another pupil (many years ago!) I am rather apprehensive about quick tempered people in enclosed spaces. For a Prime Minister to be engaged in that sort of behaviour is disgraceful.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16143544675585333882010-02-21T20:46:23.258+00:002010-02-21T20:46:23.258+00:00Don't remember all this fuss about the "D...Don't remember all this fuss about the "Downfall" videos.King Athelstanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796189127188811779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84973312780846217322010-02-21T20:42:15.498+00:002010-02-21T20:42:15.498+00:00@tory boys
Based on Gordon's reluctance to gi...@tory boys<br /><br />Based on Gordon's reluctance to give the voters a say on Lisbon, the fact that he bullied his way to the leadership without a vote, their record on postal vote fraud and the appointment of placemen like Mandelson and Sugar I think the term "democratic politicians" is possibly a little on the generous side.Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69400774273143352512010-02-21T20:11:58.927+00:002010-02-21T20:11:58.927+00:00Seems to be a rip-off of an old SSP poster (with i...Seems to be a rip-off of an old SSP poster (with images of Thatch morphing into Blair) to me.<br /><br />Tisk tisk... poor taste, terrible comparisons... would your artist like a shovel or something larger to get themselves out of the hole they have dug?Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13574173214924437278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45913545715248002752010-02-21T20:06:10.565+00:002010-02-21T20:06:10.565+00:00Grim Reaper
The simple reason why comparisons of...Grim Reaper <br /><br />The simple reason why comparisons of democratic politicians to the likes of Hitler and Stalin is so offensive is because whatever their weaknesses they do not set up concentration camps or gulags, and are they are the best protection against their reoccurrence. Perhaps the best way not to insult those who were murdered in the concentration camps and gulags is demonstrate a little bit of intelligent thought about how it happened in the first place. <br /><br />As for Gordon Brown I think you will find that he is not over worried by such negative campaigning - as he is probably be more than aware that it will do little to convince floating voters (although perhaps some of his MPs forget this from time to time)<br /><br />PS has anyone else noticed how Tory bloggers have become much nastier since Chairman Pickle's blogfest?tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24769090507511109062010-02-21T19:38:11.683+00:002010-02-21T19:38:11.683+00:00My apologies Iain, I was mixing your Mugabe compar...My apologies Iain, I was mixing your Mugabe comparison with the Hitler comparison of one of your commenters. Clearly my suggestion of an inappropriate and hysterical comparison was well wide of the mark.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20198893860132877732010-02-21T19:23:46.401+00:002010-02-21T19:23:46.401+00:00What?
Please could you define the makeup of these ...What?<br />Please could you define the makeup of these "friends and allies" so I have a clue what you're talking about?<br />That was a strange reply, Iain.scotchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18103340885509850627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83935165474006301412010-02-21T19:08:39.066+00:002010-02-21T19:08:39.066+00:00Clearly you can't see very well, as the commen...Clearly you can't see very well, as the comment was published.<br /><br />I don't publish each comment individually as I am not permanently by my computer, strange though it may seem. So some comments are published all at the same time in a block.<br /><br />If some of your friends and allies weren't so irreponsible I wouldnt have to moderate at all, of course.<br /><br />Just sayin'Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81739764566227800832010-02-21T19:06:14.296+00:002010-02-21T19:06:14.296+00:00Iain,
I would not expect you to delete comments, ...Iain,<br /><br />I would not expect you to delete comments, as one post hardly defines you.<br /><br />Labour politicians risk being compared to Stalin (as Brown is in Private Eye). Right-wing ones risk being compared to fascists. Most of us understand that such comparisons within the context of UK politics are hyperbole at best, just nasty at worst. And sometimes (as in P.E.. it can be funny).<br /><br />But, while no doubt Brown shows stress sometimes, he has been PM for 2.5 years now and he has not acted like Hitler; nor, despite an apparent loneliness, has he gone insane.<br /><br />I think it fine to post anything as a parody and, why not, just to prickle the opposition.<br /><br />But this post went a bit far. That's all.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.com