tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post9013542392736488879..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Cameron Should Table a No Confidence VoteIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66606769298686904392008-02-18T21:51:00.000+00:002008-02-18T21:51:00.000+00:00Verity said:"11:54 Paddy Briggs cannot be a writer...Verity said:<BR/><BR/><I>"11:54 Paddy Briggs cannot be a writer as he misapprehends simple English words that are derived from well-known Greek roots."</I><BR/><BR/>The closest that Paddy Briggs gets to Greek roots is when he slaps some Grecian 2000 on his head. Or else it's a syrup.<BR/><BR/>What say you, Paddy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4301588760270942272008-02-18T20:11:00.000+00:002008-02-18T20:11:00.000+00:00No - Labour got 21.4% of the electorate - not the ...No - Labour got 21.4% of the electorate - not the vote. The Tories got even less than that - so what democratic mandate do they have.<BR/><BR/>Yak40, you're getting confused between the percentage of the electorate and the percentage of the vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45979886738381694492008-02-18T18:27:00.000+00:002008-02-18T18:27:00.000+00:00Yak40 said... Labour in England 2005."21.4% only ?...Yak40 said... <BR/>Labour in England 2005.<BR/>"21.4% only ? <BR/>Is this true ? I knew it was low but this is amazing, suggests boundaries are really distorted, isn't there still a Boundaries Commission ?"<BR/><BR/>Due mainly to very large majorities in safe Conservative constituencies. Majorities in Labour seats generally smaller.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13899206524845114542008-02-18T17:41:00.000+00:002008-02-18T17:41:00.000+00:00There is no point in calling for a VoNC, because L...There is no point in calling for a VoNC, because Labour MPs who know they will lose their seats at the next General Election will do all they can to keep this Parliament (and their salaries+expenses) going for as long as possible.<BR/><BR/>Ditto the LibDems will not vote with the Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>It would therefore be a superlatively pointless gesture.<BR/><BR/>ps. I assume Mr Briggs objected to Anthony Lyndon Blair (Fettes, the Scottish Eton, and Oxford) on class grounds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88300036420266703022008-02-18T16:18:00.000+00:002008-02-18T16:18:00.000+00:00Iain,This country is now rudderlass with a Captain...Iain,<BR/><BR/>This country is now rudderlass with a Captain unable to lead!<BR/><BR/>We are desperate for a leader. Cameron has called for the resignation of Darling - that will not happen and, frankly, it was an easy shout.<BR/><BR/>No I agree with you 100% NOW IS the time for a vote of No Confidence. Yes to show there is an alternative government BUT the opportunity for Cameron to show his true (if he has them) fighting colours.<BR/><BR/>From the disgraceful way our troops are being let down (I notice that you, sadly, ignored the Coroner's missive last week) over equipment and money - to the EU and Nato letting us down with troops - to the economic shambles and the shocking record on Crime and Punishment and Education- There is enough evidence for Cameron to give a barnstorming performance.<BR/><BR/>NO They will not win But people out here in the real world want to see someone deliver a kicking to Brown.strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46607456206195480672008-02-18T14:54:00.000+00:002008-02-18T14:54:00.000+00:00Emphasise that Labour only ever gained 21.4% of th...<I>Emphasise that Labour only ever gained 21.4% of the vote in England </I><BR/><BR/>21.4% only ? <BR/>Is this true ? I knew it was low but this is amazing, suggests boundaries are really distorted, isn't there still a Boundaries Commission ?Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79366109848717189032008-02-18T14:53:00.000+00:002008-02-18T14:53:00.000+00:0011:54 Paddy Briggs cannot be a writer as he misap...11:54 Paddy Briggs cannot be a writer as he misapprehends simple English words that are derived from well-known Greek roots. He thinks "phobic" means "hating" rather than "fearing".<BR/><BR/>He wrote a snippy, illiterate post directed at me, loftily informing me that islamophobia "is against the law". Ooooh-errr! And he was lofty and snippy with it.<BR/><BR/>What is he supposed to write for? A new magazine called "Boring"?<BR/><BR/>Brown, as we know, has no confidence in himself. He is scared to death to do anything about anything in case it turns out to be wrong. That's why he sulks behind closed doors in a quivering little pile of insecurity. His 10-year charade is now floodlit - all his myriad faults and inadequacies pitifully illuminated, and the dog's breakfast he has secretly made, through incompetence, of the previously robust British economy over the last 10 years now apparent to every 12-year old.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74489100479865339372008-02-18T14:06:00.000+00:002008-02-18T14:06:00.000+00:00Cameron should call, for a vote of confidence.But ...Cameron should call, for a vote of confidence.<BR/><BR/>But who can blame him for not doing so? <BR/><BR/>Not me thats for sure.<BR/><BR/>If he does, he should only do it if it has no chance of working.<BR/><BR/>Anyone taking over this country right now would be as stupid as stupid gets. So stupid in fact that I would not trust the mans judgment.<BR/><BR/>It would be like taking over the massive liabilities of a failing bank, at this moment. When the whole housing market is crashing.<BR/><BR/>ATLAS shrugged<BR/><BR/>Oh, I forgot all of us just have whether we wanted to or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79078387599090726972008-02-18T14:00:00.000+00:002008-02-18T14:00:00.000+00:00Holding the government to account is what an Oppos...<I>Holding the government to account is what an Opposition is supposed to do</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly, and it's something this Opposition has seemed strangely reluctant to do despite all the material available.<BR/><BR/>Go for the throat.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2359246747855754842008-02-18T13:10:00.000+00:002008-02-18T13:10:00.000+00:00@ Paddy Briggs'Constitutional Duty'? So where in ...@ Paddy Briggs<BR/><BR/><I>'Constitutional Duty'?</I> So where in the Statutes is this effing <I>'Constitution'?</I><BR/><BR/>You're saying that Brown and Darling have piss-poor 'debating skills'? I'd agree. They are not up to the job at all. Stock response to any question and/or comment is to trot out unintelligible mantras about record tractor production, wheat harvests, etc etc.<BR/><BR/>Part of these two mutton-heads' jobs is to answer to Parliament, innit? What would you prefer Parliament to debate, then? The latest football scores? Or would you prefer them to pass yet more cretinous and useless legislation to add to the 3,000 - and climbing - new laws introduced by the moronic NuLab control freaks?<BR/><BR/>You seriously believe Brown and his henchpersons are 'running' things? These people couldn't run a bath. They are serially and disastrously incompetent.<BR/><BR/>As for 'privileged twosomes' - how about Cooper Balls, eh? <BR/><BR/>Darling has now outlived his purpose, expect a reshuffle shortly.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86279135979964024262008-02-18T12:36:00.000+00:002008-02-18T12:36:00.000+00:00Briggs do give it a rest. Labour Party policy has ...Briggs do give it a rest. Labour Party policy has greatly assisted the stratification of society of which I think you are complaining and we are hardly going to get any Grammar school boys anymore are we. Would you like me to remind you of the many Labour MP`s who send their children to Public school? Gordon Brown has done nothing but plot his dark rule since he lost his eyesight reading about soviet five year plans when he was twelve under the covers ( Playing rugby ...yeah right ) .If he is a frightening re-animated cadaver shrieking in the light that is the reason not his lack on oportunity .He is after all part of the Scottish Raj himself and went smoothly though that elite with touching the sides . Darling is nonentity because that’s what Brown wanted. Its all he can bear as Mr. Clarke recently confirmed and Mr. Field has been telling us for years <BR/>It is exactly Brown’s weakness that he cannot delegate and takes so long to do anything he has no time for the irksome business of consulting the representatives of the people in Parliament or outside it. He looks lumbering indecisive and foolish because that is what he is.<BR/><BR/>Overall it may not be the time for a vote of no confidence as I expect worse to come but it’s a fine judgement call . Just how much of his insane Bridge over the river Kwai is this monomaniac going to be allowed to construct.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90661201997541655972008-02-18T11:54:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:54:00.000+00:00Paddy Briggs,You claim to be some sort of writer.D...Paddy Briggs,<BR/><BR/>You claim to be some sort of writer.<BR/><BR/>Do you understand the concept of "paragraphs?"<BR/><BR/>It would make your postings more readable.<BR/><BR/>Though they'll probably still be a load of bollocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44589560678277433452008-02-18T11:48:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:48:00.000+00:00This is no time for futile gestures. Cameron and ...This is no time for futile gestures. Cameron and Osborne should be heaping personal abuse on Darling, Brown, Blair, Harman, Prescott .......Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775753218753337766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49297775596711395292008-02-18T11:43:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:43:00.000+00:00It would be a very very stupid move as far as I'm ...It would be a very very stupid move as far as I'm concerned. If it doesn't work Cameron will have staked a lot on doing it and I couldn't see him continuing in his job if he lost that vote. To lose it would be for the general public to stand up and say "shut the hell up Cameron, you don't know what we really think".<BR/><BR/>Does he really want to risk that when there isn't truly "no confidence" in this government?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9061959965831804092008-02-18T11:42:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:42:00.000+00:00agree with other posts - not convinced, whilst I a...agree with other posts - not convinced, whilst I agree with you in principle I think this would be silly posturing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6038463637423306472008-02-18T11:04:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:04:00.000+00:00Defeat for the Labour government on their Emergenc...Defeat for the Labour government on their Emergency Bill to take powers to nationalise banks and other financial institutions would lead, of course, to a Government-tabled Motion of Confidence.<BR/><BR/>Should a principled stand by the Opposition against such Emergency nationalisation powers being taken not succeed, it can then be followed by an Opposition-tabled No Confidence Vote in this economic, financial, and cultural shambles of a Labour government.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44551458161150069352008-02-18T11:00:00.000+00:002008-02-18T11:00:00.000+00:00It would look and smell and taste like a vote of o...It would look and smell and taste like a vote of opportunism.<BR/><BR/>So Cameron is bound to do it.AdamBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04630747163413813070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75719018664137156132008-02-18T10:55:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:55:00.000+00:00Why do I get the impression that Paddy Briggs has ...Why do I get the impression that Paddy Briggs has a paint-scratching penknife in his pocket?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70256596520806936642008-02-18T10:53:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:53:00.000+00:00Is Paddy taking the p*ss? Brown and his bitc..Darl...Is Paddy taking the p*ss? Brown and his bitc..Darling have 'important day jobs'? Well, judging by their action, or inaction, you couldn't tell! Well, his point about Cambo and Gideon applies to both GB and AD, but does DC and Gidders have the skill to really kick Lying labour in the goolies? I don't think so. Silly sod that DC is missed an opportunity replacing Gidders with Hague at last reshuffle. Hague would splatter Brown OR Darling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39025704033009036472008-02-18T10:47:00.001+00:002008-02-18T10:47:00.001+00:00Oh dear "Paddy"... Nothing left in the ammunition ...Oh dear "Paddy"... Nothing left in the ammunition locker other than good old class war?<BR/><BR/>More to the point, the legislation passed to nationalise "The Crock" has been studied by a sharp-eyed poster on another blog and found to be generic - ie it would seem that HMG can now take <I>any company that takes its fancy</I> into public ownership... I wonder who's next?Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84396751424104655912008-02-18T10:47:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:47:00.000+00:00Remember what happened to the little boy who cried...Remember what happened to the little boy who cried wolf?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1977284583505687552008-02-18T10:41:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:41:00.000+00:00Just wait for the next election and you'll get you...Just wait for the next election and you'll get your no confidence vote.<BR/><BR/>If Brown had confidence in his Gornment then he wouldn't have bottled last Autumn's election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33370426583134440232008-02-18T10:35:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:35:00.000+00:00In Britain it is the constitutional duty of the Op...In Britain it is the constitutional duty of the Opposition to oppose – and I must say that Dave and his boys are pretty good at it – especially he and Osborne! With debating skills honed at Eton and St Pauls and Oxford this privileged twosome and the Rara brigade alongside and behind them can usually get the better of dour old Gordon and dull old Alastair. But then Brown and Darling have quite important day jobs – whilst all that Dave and George have to do is to search for the next jibe or epithet or riposte. So it would no doubt be a ripping wheeze to table a motion of no confidence and occupy a bit of parliamentary time and unnecessarily divert the Prime Minister and his colleagues from the important task of actually running something (the country, as it happens). “Running something” is not something that Dave and the boys know much about – never had a proper job you see! But then there was always a ready stash of cash available (still is of course) so they could concentrate on what matters – words not deeds!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58959462035101449352008-02-18T10:20:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:20:00.000+00:00Far be it for me to point out that Lying Labour ha...Far be it for me to point out that Lying Labour have a majority of around 60- plus the Liberal Democrats (and Gorbals Thick): make that around 100. Cameron should only do a VOC if he feels strong enough to kebab Labour- and the Libbies- on the Northern Crock fiasco. Win the debate, but lose the vote- a 'winning' scenario; but if he were to LOSE the debate AND the vote- well, hardly good parliamentary tactics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27588036670038465052008-02-18T10:13:00.000+00:002008-02-18T10:13:00.000+00:00What happened to the Iain Martin post? It's droppe...What happened to the Iain Martin post? It's dropped off the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com