tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8790091303502115973..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Depend Upon Promises PartyIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16733708172139514662008-06-13T00:18:00.000+01:002008-06-13T00:18:00.000+01:00The DUP were always going to vote for 42 days. Giv...The DUP were always going to vote for 42 days. Given the experience of being on the receiving end of terrorism for 35 years does anyone think they would seriously have considered voting anyother way? If Brown was too stupid to realise this and unnecessarily provided extra funding for the NI Executive then shame on him and not on the DUP.<BR/><BR/>BTW this is UK wide legislation which will have consequences for us all be we in Ulster or England. The DUP were fully entitled to vote as they did. Perhaps cirtics should compare last nights DUP vote with Scottish MPs voting on purely English measures before deciding on the next rant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45119149148990977222008-06-12T23:32:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:32:00.000+01:00Tory hypocrisy at work - On Northern Ireland Conse...Tory hypocrisy at work - <BR/>On Northern Ireland Conservative policy for years has been to support mandatory coalition with terrorists but now choose to jump up and down when the DUP vote for holding terrorist suspects for 42 days. HmmmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5583196034558636832008-06-12T15:37:00.000+01:002008-06-12T15:37:00.000+01:00Watch out Wat Tyler! John Miller is right - if thi...Watch out Wat Tyler! John Miller is right - if this goes through the police will be able to bang up anyone whose face they don't like for 6 weeks. Safeguards? Ha haAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41394679842841283222008-06-12T12:15:00.000+01:002008-06-12T12:15:00.000+01:00"Never! Never! Never! Oh... what's it' worth?""Never! Never! Never! Oh... what's it' worth?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22493013305601354152008-06-12T11:15:00.000+01:002008-06-12T11:15:00.000+01:00***The DUP are a legitimate political party. It is...***The DUP are a legitimate political party. It is just one vote. I say that as labour member. It would be ajoke if the DUP rejected this.***<BR/><BR/>Dirty Euro, if Paisley and the DUP are happy to place the economic needs of NI above abstract civil rights and principles, why don't we offer them a couple of million to stop wearing silly orange sashes and bowlers and to stop marching with drums through Catholic areas?<BR/><BR/>Wonder if they might suddenly decide that their principles aren't for sale at any price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44985004892996369182008-06-12T11:08:00.000+01:002008-06-12T11:08:00.000+01:00***though personally I prefer the Italian version:...***though personally I prefer the Italian version: "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold"***<BR/><BR/>C Powell, the accurate quote is actually "revenge is a dish best served with a raspberry coulis and a fennel vinaigrette.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38135419247024243832008-06-12T10:40:00.000+01:002008-06-12T10:40:00.000+01:00Just one thought. What do the Unionist population ...Just one thought. <BR/><BR/>What do the Unionist population of Northern Ireland owe the Conservative Party exactly? This is the party that prorugued Stormont, that imposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement over our heads and brought in the Downing Street Declaration. <BR/><BR/>The self-serving cynicism of the Conservatives defies belief. The party of law and order lining up to denounce 10 MPs (DUP + Hermon), everyone of whom has lived under threats against their life from terrorists because they vote for strong law and order measures is frankly unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23986163701413724582008-06-12T10:39:00.000+01:002008-06-12T10:39:00.000+01:00Just one thought. What do the Unionist population ...Just one thought. <BR/><BR/>What do the Unionist population of Northern Ireland owe the Conservative Party exactly? This is the party that prorugued Stormont, that imposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement over our heads and brought in the Downing Street Declaration. <BR/><BR/>The self-serving cynicism of the Conservatives defies belief. The party of law and order lining up to denounce 10 MPs (DUP + Hermon), everyone of whom has lived under threats against their life from terrorists because they vote for strong law and order measures is frankly unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91275971904970078962008-06-12T09:52:00.000+01:002008-06-12T09:52:00.000+01:00john miller said... - Having read the comments, an...john miller said... - Having read the comments, and noted the arguments of the 42 day supporters, all I can say is "Remember Wolfgang".<BR/><BR/>Walter Wolfgang was ejected from the Labour conference for repeatedly heckling Jack Straw and his conference pass was withdrawn. He was a visitor not a delegate.<BR/><BR/>The next day he was stopped by the police when he tried to get back into the conference without a valid pass. He wasn't searched or arrested. He was detained very briefly (a matter of minutes) while the police checked him out.<BR/><BR/>When handling security at these events (including the Conservative Party conferences) the police routinely use their powers under section 44 of the Terrorism Act to stop and check people who might be unauthorised to attend.<BR/><BR/>This all happened at Brighton where I seem to remember there was some kind of incident involving Margaret Thatcher at a previous conference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40530807948378762872008-06-12T09:41:00.000+01:002008-06-12T09:41:00.000+01:00I think that the DUP have just hinted to 50M Engli...I think that the DUP have just hinted to 50M Englishmen that a United Ireland is a good idea. Be careful what you wish for eh chaps?<BR/><BR/>what did Gordo demand from you? pray tell.........GarethShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207806640711750915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39844856496331504122008-06-12T09:06:00.000+01:002008-06-12T09:06:00.000+01:00The DUP should be ashamed of themselves! This is a...<EM>The DUP should be ashamed of themselves! This is a party that opposed internment (which this Bill imposes in all but name).</EM><BR/><BR/>They only started to oppose it when HMG started using it against the prods as well as the republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11282577883169149692008-06-12T08:56:00.000+01:002008-06-12T08:56:00.000+01:00I am amused by people being shocked by the DUP's b...I am amused by people being shocked by the DUP's behaviour. Being "duplicitous bastards" is in their blood. They care for no one outside their own little bit of Ulster. In fact they are not British they are Ulstermen and nothing more.<BR/><BR/>Seems the whole charade cost Gordon a pretty penny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1401252398380003902008-06-12T08:50:00.000+01:002008-06-12T08:50:00.000+01:00The DUP are duplicious bastards. They have proved ...The DUP are duplicious bastards. They have proved that time and time again.<BR/><BR/>The Conservatives should now announce that they believe that the Island of Ireland should be united!<BR/><BR/>There is no need within the family of the EU for the Northern Ireland Assembly.<BR/><BR/>Stuff the DUP and all their underhand works. Show the bastards that we can fight dirty!<BR/><BR/>Give N.Ireland to Ireland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28926758189834500882008-06-12T08:31:00.000+01:002008-06-12T08:31:00.000+01:00Not sure I understand everyone getting on their hi...Not sure I understand everyone getting on their high-horses. People being promised things to get them onside - that's politics isn't it? I'm against 42 days, but given that Brown was generally assumed to not have a chance of winning the vote even a few weeks ago his efforts have fairly borne fruit - even if I'm one of the ones less than happy about that.<BR/><BR/>Would the DUP be craven if they had voted with the Tories? After all if they had then Labour would have lost by nine votes. You don't think Cameron et al were offering incentives to them too?<BR/><BR/>You could just as well say the nine votes that swung it were from the ten or so Labour rebels persuaded to recant. I understand the resentment at the result, but don't see anything particularly dastardly about the means.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05649491689196103228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85980538636439843722008-06-12T05:15:00.000+01:002008-06-12T05:15:00.000+01:00Having read the comments, and noted the arguments ...Having read the comments, and noted the arguments of the 42 day supporters, all I can say is "Remember Wolfgang".<BR/><BR/>Never, ever, ever trust a politician who says the way the law will be implemented.<BR/><BR/>The 42 days applies to YOU and YOU and YOU. If your face doesn't fit for ANY reason, you can now be banged up for 6 weeks. In that time they will find something to use against you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73601930693552781042008-06-12T05:03:00.000+01:002008-06-12T05:03:00.000+01:00So. £100 each for the population of Ulster. Togeth...So. £100 each for the population of Ulster. Together with the bribe at the time of the recent by-election, that makes each of the £240 a year better off.<BR/><BR/>On a purely financial level ( I am sick of my own ranting on all the moral dimensions) it just shows Brown's mentality. Spend the public's money even though you know it won't make one iota of difference in the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34659049405018441022008-06-12T02:43:00.000+01:002008-06-12T02:43:00.000+01:00Why are people saying the DUP were ‘bought’ on the...Why are people saying the DUP were ‘bought’ on the issue of 42 day detention of terror suspects?<BR/><BR/>This is Ian Paisley’s Ulster Democratic Unionist Party, folks. This is the party that regularly called for internment without trial and the death penalty for terrorists.<BR/><BR/>They would have voted for the government anyway, they simply played good parliamentary politics by getting a big pay off from Brown for doing what they would in all conscience have done anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3482528113945173022008-06-12T01:38:00.000+01:002008-06-12T01:38:00.000+01:00Shame on the DUP.They used to be against this sort...Shame on the DUP.<BR/><BR/>They used to be against this sort of thing in Northern Ireland. But then, they used to be against a lot of things in Northern Ireland.<BR/><BR/>And they have form: they saved Major over the Scott Report.<BR/><BR/>UKIP's only MP voted for 42 days. Nuff said.<BR/><BR/>And I am very pleased for anyone who will benefit from the extra help for ex-miners promised in return for certain Labour MPs' votes. But if the money was there, then that help should have been forthcoming anyway. Why wasn't it? What was being funded instead, and why?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83309754546107113692008-06-12T01:04:00.000+01:002008-06-12T01:04:00.000+01:00I am throughly demoralised by this vote. I abhor t...I am throughly demoralised by this vote. I abhor those who seek to use Terror to undermine liberty and strongly advocate taking the fight to them.<BR/><BR/>However it seems that our response to the terrorist threat is to demolish, damage and inhibit the very instituions of traditional liberty that we seek to defend. If Habeus Corpus, the cornerstone of our judicial system, goes what next?<BR/><BR/>I fear that this right (42 days detention without trial) could be abused by a future govt. to coerce the population.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3245159411450246592008-06-11T23:40:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:40:00.000+01:00So that's £200 million to subsidise Northern Irish...So that's £200 million to subsidise Northern Irish household water bills, a quick billion to ex-miners, a change in sanctions on Cuba, a safer seat for a Labour MP (so the BBC is reporting) and a possible knighthood for the ever-greasy Mr. Vaz - no doubt all honourable causes, but what the hell have they got to do with fighting Al Qaeda? <BR/><BR/>For that sort of money they could have bribed bin Laden, given him a seat in the Lords and STILL have a shred of dignity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76598589435978257002008-06-11T23:38:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:38:00.000+01:00chas said... "we might just as well lock up anyone...chas said... "we might just as well lock up anyone with a swarthy face and big nose for the rest of their natural."<BR/><BR/>Thank god for that, a bit of peace and quiet from my missus!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80885330199471098592008-06-11T23:37:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:37:00.000+01:00The DUP should be ashamed of themselves! This is a...The DUP should be ashamed of themselves! This is a party that opposed internment (which this Bill imposes in all but name). The National Security excuse is so bogus to be laughable. The threat from the IRA was indeed real and altogether more threatening than anything posed today, and we survived that without this grotesque affront to our civil liberties. I am appalled, not just with the vote and the DUP but also with having to agree with Tony Benn - today Parliament really did repeal the Magna Carta. Let us just hope that the "unrepresentative" "unelected" branch of our legislature does the right thing and throws this Bill out! Ironically a branch that Lord Anthony Wedgewood-Benn rejected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27006534586904882008-06-11T23:34:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:34:00.000+01:00Having had personal experience of Peter Robinson w...Having had personal experience of Peter Robinson when my mother tried to enlist his help in getting me into Grosvenor Grammar School after passed my 11+ and his complete lack of action, I can say this is par for the course from this duplicitous bastard and his fucking party. They don't speak for the Protestant population, they speak for themselves and I honestly hope they all burn in hell for their betrayal today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42106918594178152902008-06-11T23:09:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:09:00.000+01:00Much as I would have loved to see Bean defeated on...Much as I would have loved to see Bean defeated on this issue, it is simply the start of the process and,as time passes, he is going to look more and more ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>The economy has started the meltdown stage - see the price of ALL UK housebuilders over the last few days, HBOS share price below the rights issue price, Alliance & Leicester shares dropping nearly 10% in one session. And finally, even the 'bent' unempoyment figures can no longer hide the systematic loss of jobs that is going to explode over the coming months.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, this is going to get very, very rough. Let the architect of the whole mess lead Her Majesty's Government into the economic abyss.<BR/><BR/>Those who laugh last, laugh loudest - remember it!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32980391661394034312008-06-11T23:07:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:07:00.000+01:00How would you feel if someone used a vote as an ex...<I>How would you feel if someone used a vote as an excuse to insult your country.</I><BR/><BR/>That's all very well Dirty Foreign Socialist, but Hannan hasn't insulted your country, he's insulted Britain. You are from Denmark...or somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com