tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8772924501025378822..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Harman Signs The Speaker's Death WarrantIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63503286673306819882008-12-04T14:52:00.000+00:002008-12-04T14:52:00.000+00:00I would hardly call someone who I had never even h...I would hardly call someone who I had never even heard of until this morning, as being representative of everyone on the internet. Like Iain Dale, JulieM is unable to accept when she is quite obviously in the wrong. For what it is worth the comment did upset me. Feeling better now are we?jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81678917740040632522008-12-04T14:08:00.000+00:002008-12-04T14:08:00.000+00:00"Your further comment suggested that his knowledge...<I>"Your further comment suggested that his knowledge of law was restricted to his being on the wrong side of it 30-odd years ago.<BR/><BR/>I would regard that to be an attack, as it was a clear attempt to undermine him..."</I><BR/><BR/><I>You</I> might. But you're not representative of everyone on the internet, are you? Whatever you might think...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87961866939137549202008-12-04T12:37:00.000+00:002008-12-04T12:37:00.000+00:00JuliaM:JHL did not claim knowledge 'special experi...JuliaM:<BR/><BR/>JHL did not claim knowledge 'special experience and knowledge' as you suggest, he was responding to a comment suggesting that he was ignorant of the law and pretending otherwise. Your further comment suggested that his knowledge of law was restricted to his being on the wrong side of it 30-odd years ago.<BR/><BR/>I would regard that to be an attack, as it was a clear attempt to undermine him (see: playing the man), regardless of how one might see the pointless reference to his past.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aiaindale.blogspot.com%2F+shit&btnG=Google+Search&meta=" REL="nofollow">As for the disgusting swear-word that shocked Iain so much, well, he doesn't appear to be genuinely shocked by it at all, and has allowed it and used it himself hundreds of times on this blog.</A> I can understand if under new rules the word is no longer tolerated, but there's no mileage in pretending to be shocked by it, surely. Especially when that shock is used as justification for silencing someone who we are later assured can stand up for himself.<BR/><BR/>And with that clarified, I once again leave you to your conversation and consciences.<BR/><BR/>Cheers all.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65254336065550967272008-12-04T12:30:00.000+00:002008-12-04T12:30:00.000+00:00JuliaM: What was not relevant was your unprovoked ...JuliaM: What was not relevant was your unprovoked and personal attack upon me. Iain was wrong to allow it to remain as long as it did. Attack the ball not the player.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81381650966274344572008-12-04T12:28:00.000+00:002008-12-04T12:28:00.000+00:00Why can we not be asked if we have confidence in ...Why can we not be asked if we have confidence in Harriet Harman?Not a sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14123293202225008273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48380383099060938442008-12-04T12:01:00.000+00:002008-12-04T12:01:00.000+00:00"...perhaps a warning to JuliaM that such attacks ...<I>"...perhaps a warning to JuliaM that such attacks won't be tolerated in future is also called for? She did, after all, fire the first shot that prompted whatever language it was JHL used that shocked you so."</I><BR/><BR/>'Attack'..? Is pointing out the unsavoury (and publicly admitted <I>on his own blog</I>) background of that particular commenter to be considered an 'attack' now? <BR/><BR/>He was indicating that he had some 'special experience and knowledge' to prove him right in respect to the Speaker's legal problem, to quote him, he was: <I>"ably qualified to speak on legal and criminal justice matters..."</I> <BR/><BR/>I don't see how I can be blamed for an 'attack' for pointing out that his qualifications aren't relevant in <I>this</I> instance....JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60936962884874552612008-12-04T11:49:00.001+00:002008-12-04T11:49:00.001+00:00Just read Gerald Warners piece in the Telegraph, a...Just read Gerald Warners piece in the Telegraph, apparently (Due to the current speaker)the SAA is only responsible for the security of the commons chamber.<BR/><BR/>so<BR/>1.) Did have the authority to wave them through?<BR/>2.) If not, who did?<BR/>3.) Will the speaker come to regret that changeBoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10343313936224731968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7388121398621173672008-12-04T11:49:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:49:00.000+00:00JuliaM took us off-topic, Unsworth, and I will be ...JuliaM took us off-topic, Unsworth, and I will be making myself scarce soon enough.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90526465204041386392008-12-04T11:46:00.001+00:002008-12-04T11:46:00.001+00:00@ Tim"JHL's commitment to prisoners' rights, his c...@ Tim<BR/><BR/>"JHL's commitment to prisoners' rights, his campaigns for penal reform"<BR/><BR/>So? WTF has that to do with this topic? Who gives a toss, anyway?<BR/><BR/>Never mind all this diversionary garbage, get back on topic or piss off.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74465969268009601772008-12-04T11:46:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:46:00.000+00:00Thank you, but I'd rather you did it because it's ...Thank you, but I'd rather you did it because it's the right thing to do.<BR/><BR/>On that note, perhaps a warning to JuliaM that such attacks won't be tolerated in future is also called for? She did, after all, fire the first shot that prompted whatever language it was JHL used that shocked you so.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56756139471991734612008-12-04T11:43:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:43:00.000+00:00Do you know, I am not going to enter into another ...Do you know, I am not going to enter into another blog war about this. I will delete the comment, but JHL can watch his language in future. Or he knows the consequences.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26782664248707924372008-12-04T11:41:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:41:00.000+00:00I would also argue that JHL will have dificulty st...I would also argue that JHL will have dificulty standing up for himself here if you keep deleting his responses.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45232017142436774492008-12-04T11:39:00.001+00:002008-12-04T11:39:00.001+00:00Using that logic, Damian Green can stand up for hi...Using that logic, Damian Green can stand up for himself, surely.<BR/><BR/>Your second sentence appears to suggest that you tolerate dishonest/bullying tactics if they are used against someone you disapprove of (while claiming to 'ignore' them).Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59321294117026143942008-12-04T11:39:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:39:00.000+00:00Iain Dale: "He never desists from libelling me on ...Iain Dale: "He never desists from libelling me on his blog. I ignore it".<BR/><BR/>That's a lie and you know it.<BR/><BR/>And which libellous matters would they be?jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36985165583504525162008-12-04T11:32:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:32:00.000+00:00What was most interesting about Brown today was th...What was most interesting about Brown today was that he barely addressed the speaker throughout his entire routine apart from where it was absolutely necessary, which is outside his usual form where everything is addressed to Mr Speaker rather than the house.<BR/><BR/>Brown's notes were a mess - they'd clearly been working through lines right up until the very last moment, deep thick black lines over whole areas, highlighted paras and post-it's galore - and even then he didn't seem to be able to use his notes... I agree with Strapworld, he looked moody and ill (even more so than usual). I was amazed he made it through, he didn't look like a dynamic leader, he looked like a cross between a depressed old man and a mardy teenager...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71369581877075303282008-12-04T11:30:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:30:00.000+00:00Tim, JHL can stand up for himself, as he demonstra...Tim, JHL can stand up for himself, as he demonstrates. <BR/><BR/>He never desists from libelling me on his blog. I ignore it.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20892021663376776672008-12-04T11:26:00.001+00:002008-12-04T11:26:00.001+00:00Iain Dale's rules of engagement:"If your post is i...Iain Dale's rules of engagement:<BR/><BR/>"If your post is insulting to me or other people posting in the thread I reserve the right not to allow it through".<BR/><BR/>My comment was in response to another comment. Fair comment. Then JuliaM took part of my comment, and instead of answering the point, used your blog to launch a personal attack upon me without even attempting to further the debate. She desired to stifle debate.<BR/><BR/>Ian Dale you should be totally ashamed by approving such a comment and encouraging such to occur on your blog.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28481707577850774142008-12-04T11:26:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:26:00.000+00:00Iain, it is at the very least unfair to suggest th...Iain, it is at the very least unfair to suggest that JHL's experience in law is restricted to the manslaughter case that saw him jailed in 1979.<BR/><BR/>Being a "leading political commentator" with a "mind... like a meat-cleaver" you should be well aware that JuliaM's needlessly hostile comment completely (some might think deliberately) discounts JHL's commitment to prisoners' rights, his campaigns for penal reform and all of the polticial and legal knowledge he has gained along the way, and instead introduces a matter that is entirely irrelevant and prejudicial.<BR/><BR/>It boggles the mind that you would allow this on your site and yet spit feathers over the use of the word 'grooming' in Green's case.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13380014909001065862008-12-04T11:02:00.000+00:002008-12-04T11:02:00.000+00:00It is a nonsense to suggest (Hazel Blears et al) t...It is a nonsense to suggest (Hazel Blears et al) that voters don't care about this. The majority of people I have met this week (general public) have shown great concern. More talked about than Mumbai bombings or I'm a Celebrity.lilithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05011676751221508167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46767389453482715552008-12-04T10:58:00.000+00:002008-12-04T10:58:00.000+00:00I removed it because it was disgusting and used a ...I removed it because it was disgusting and used a swear word.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85302219726893738982008-12-04T10:54:00.000+00:002008-12-04T10:54:00.000+00:00It is all very well removing my response to the un...It is all very well removing my response to the unprovoked and off topic attack by JuliaM. Another one of you sock puppets Iain?jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24325788693488541392008-12-04T10:42:00.000+00:002008-12-04T10:42:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58138868640065384092008-12-04T09:51:00.000+00:002008-12-04T09:51:00.000+00:00All this hoo-hah about Mr Speaker Martin is a usef...All this hoo-hah about Mr Speaker Martin is a useful cover for the underlying matter, which is that the police were apparently called in by Normington who made serious allegations. What about him, and the involvement of any others in that decision? When do we get to see an explanation from Normington as to his actions?<BR/><BR/>I think it's a safe bet that the underlying machinery and personalities wil remain completely untouched by this row. Business as usual, then.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11088666488978850002008-12-04T09:40:00.000+00:002008-12-04T09:40:00.000+00:00Daniel 1059. may be on to something. She certainly...Daniel 1059. may be on to something. She certainly whispered something to Darling when Brown was doing his Judas act for the third time.<BR/><BR/>Brown looked absolutely awful yesterday. He is ill, very definately ill. <BR/><BR/>On the Green affair, let us remember that the complaint to the police came from the head of the civil service. I am of the opinion that Brown is the one directly behind this investigation.<BR/><BR/>My view is that he went off the handle again and demanded that the police conduct an enquiry into leaks. It was Brown, I suspect, who labelled these leaks against National Security.<BR/><BR/>He did not reckon on poor policing, inadequate commons officials and the furore the whole thing has caused up and down the country.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly Charles Kennedy, on Today, in answer to a question said that it was the one thing that people, in his constituency, were talking about!!<BR/><BR/>I know from the people I speak to here that they are disgusted with the whole thing and they all blame BROWN.strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48842401904566811552008-12-04T09:26:00.000+00:002008-12-04T09:26:00.000+00:00and on Today this morning, Beckett made sure the k...and on Today this morning, Beckett made sure the knife was firmly in between the Speaker's shoulders.Display Namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05166511628620618908noreply@blogger.com