tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8210504953957520791..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Wilders is an Amateur Leni RiefenstahlIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62638684733548303082009-02-14T04:48:00.000+00:002009-02-14T04:48:00.000+00:00It is an interesting position Rebel Saint.Mein Kam...It is an interesting position Rebel Saint.<BR/><BR/>Mein Kampf is legal here but not in a number of European countries, while Geert Wilders is not legal here but he is in a number of European countries.<BR/><BR/>Before banning Wilders we could have stood on reasonably firm ground and said to Europe - banning Mein Kampf is a bit silly. Now we can't.<BR/><BR/>Mein Kampf should not be verboten any more than the Koran should be. Holocaust denial too. All should suffer at the hands of considered disccussion or simply the ridicule some feel they deserve. Prohibition never stopped anything and to hide such things away grants them a greater power.<BR/><BR/>The ideals the UK in particular once stood for are withering at the hands of the well meaning Righteous who are fearful of any chance that people might be offended, and the more insidious who trot out the phrase 'oxygen of publicity' to try and control the thoughts and words of others.<BR/><BR/>I suspect the likes of Geert Wilders is a threat to this country not just because of what he says, but as much because he is a politician who stands for <I>something</I> compared to most of ours on all sides who stand for little more than themselves. They cannot have a grown up debate on serious matters because so few of them actually have an opinion. They do and say simply what a focus group, poll or party spin doctor suggests would play well.Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11182144080955551878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90409808087306073372009-02-14T01:39:00.000+00:002009-02-14T01:39:00.000+00:00Just a clarification ... Wilders argument is that ...Just a clarification ... Wilders argument is that if Mein Kampf is banned then by the same token the Koran should be banned. Or conversely if the Koran is available to read then so should Mein Kampf.<BR/><BR/>It is a perfectly, clear & reasonable argument. Yet it gets him banned from the UK and called a 'hate criminal' (aka know as a thought criminal)Rebel Sainthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932686715016006056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76188693373597579572009-02-14T00:34:00.000+00:002009-02-14T00:34:00.000+00:00"And you certainly won't find a Jewish peer threat..."And you certainly won't find a Jewish peer threatening to march on Parliament with 10,000 followers".<BR/><BR/>Right on. They'd never agree on the catering arrangements!<BR/><BR/>lolJeremy Jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02014279463894807064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14998269477440922172009-02-13T23:16:00.000+00:002009-02-13T23:16:00.000+00:00What a stupid video and what a stupid response by ...What a stupid video and what a stupid response by the government. <BR/><BR/>You tell 'em Iain!!!Sahar Rezazadehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330703459627794733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8214979184138830692009-02-13T22:59:00.000+00:002009-02-13T22:59:00.000+00:00A quick correction, though Leni Riefenstahl was re...A quick correction, though Leni Riefenstahl was responsible for some fairly unpleasant cinematography [beware of ski movie stars, where she started her career], she can't be held responsible for the 'Der ewige Jude' - the credit for that filth goes to Fritz Hippler.Ski Testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171313421290526155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23809297682333945042009-02-13T19:56:00.000+00:002009-02-13T19:56:00.000+00:00If anything shoul dbe banned it should be Justine ...If anything shoul dbe banned it should be Justine Greening's enormous face. It scares me that people write about her as being attractive.<BR/><BR/>Seriously though, I agree it is a poor film. I too have watched it on the net and it is a powerful work for weak minds. Those who want to hate foreigners and muslims will love it whilst those of us who want the whole picture and know the real story can see all the holes in the film and know it to be almost worthless as a factual film other than to highlight the film maker's lack of ability.<BR/><BR/>I like the parallels with Nazism that you make. As part of my degree we watched "The Triumph of The Will", an experience that I shall not repeat again.Nich Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237390959601973501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55924232098778459932009-02-13T18:22:00.000+00:002009-02-13T18:22:00.000+00:00@ Head of LegalOf Pearson's possible arrest: "He w...@ Head of Legal<BR/><BR/>Of Pearson's possible arrest: <BR/>"He won't be, because it's not threatening."<BR/><BR/>Er, no. He won't be because the Government daren't risk the political fall-out. The legal position is nothing to do with it.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73213394640136979162009-02-13T17:49:00.000+00:002009-02-13T17:49:00.000+00:00how muslims intend to take over Europe Umm, they a...<I>how muslims intend to take over Europe </I><BR/><BR/>Umm, they are, whether they intend to or not. Look at the demographic forecasts.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71816251654179666452009-02-13T17:27:00.000+00:002009-02-13T17:27:00.000+00:00Bloody hell! I never thought I would agree with T...Bloody hell! I never thought I would agree with Tatchel, but the man is spot on! I totally agree.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6522612013951480662009-02-13T16:48:00.000+00:002009-02-13T16:48:00.000+00:00Chris Paul said: Wilders is seeking to have the Qu...Chris Paul said: <I>Wilders is seeking to have the Qur'an banned.</I><BR/><BR/>To put this into a clearer context, Wilders believes the Koran is on a par with Mein Kampf and as that is banned in the Netherlands he believes the Koran ought to be as well.Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11182144080955551878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85048291025721874642009-02-13T15:40:00.000+00:002009-02-13T15:40:00.000+00:00I too express my admiration for the intelligence a...I too express my admiration for the intelligence and courage shown by Salma Yacoub in her defence of free speech.<BR/>I feel ashamed by the stance taken by the Conservative Party.Please defend free speech with conviction if you want universal respect.<BR/>This government does not do shame, all the pity. Miliband, Smith,Vaz et al, you are the pits.jon deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17354116589298046787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13071064485436775412009-02-13T14:27:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:27:00.000+00:00You are on form today Julia.You are on form today Julia.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79216716634233544822009-02-13T14:18:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:18:00.000+00:00"...Lord Ahmed's promise of 10,000 Muslims turning...<I>"...Lord Ahmed's promise of 10,000 Muslims turning up to the House of Lords.."</I><BR/><BR/>If he offers to give any of them a lift in his Jaguar, they'd better make sure his mobile is out of reach first...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72061079192726289452009-02-13T14:14:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:14:00.000+00:00You're right, Iain - it's shocking and hilarious t...You're right, Iain - it's shocking and hilarious that all these people see fit to judge this film without even seeing it. <BR/><BR/>And the logic of the government's position, as you say, is not simply that the film should be banned, but that Lord Pearson should be arrested under section 29E of the Public Order Act for showing it yesterday. <BR/><BR/>He won't be, because it's not threatening.Carl Gardner, Head of Legalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11623620299558039098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19340167367121009072009-02-13T14:05:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:05:00.000+00:00Colin, re Tatchell: he is very polite and likeable...Colin, re Tatchell: he is very polite and likeable in my limited experience of him. And he has been in the vanguard of liberty for longer than I dare recall. <BR/><BR/>Had he not been shafted by a closet gay, who knows what he could have done in Parliament.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40457686030514378852009-02-13T14:04:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:04:00.000+00:00Not all Muslins are terrorists,unfortunately all t...Not all Muslins are terrorists,<BR/>unfortunately all terrorists seem to be Muslims.<BR/>The guy was trying to point out the adverse gains of accepting unfettered Muslim immigration.<BR/>We would do well to watch our backs in the UK.<BR/>A storms coming, we will have to face it sooner or later,....better sooner.<BR/>And Iain,a man of your "tastes", should be especially worried.old and angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460349012174678718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63497596729425022442009-02-13T14:00:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:00:00.000+00:00Trevorsden:It would have made more sense to ban Wi...Trevorsden:<BR/><BR/>It would have made more sense to ban Wilders for having a naf hairstyle and wild staring eyes<BR/><BR/><BR/>That made me laugh out loud.<BR/><BR/>It did for Heseltine, I think.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25745100477844836592009-02-13T13:20:00.000+00:002009-02-13T13:20:00.000+00:00didn't the west midlands police 'service' recently...didn't the west midlands police 'service' recently consider prosecuting channel 4 for transmitting a programme containing footage shoot inside a mosque where the preacher was advocating death and destruction to anyone and everyone who was not a muslim ?davidchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15928205954476712575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20806221588306927952009-02-13T13:19:00.000+00:002009-02-13T13:19:00.000+00:00Peter Tatchel is spot on, as usual.I don't agree w...Peter Tatchel is spot on, as usual.<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with eveything he's said and done over the years, but his courage and consistecy are to admired.Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16949877777934292635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38285329341286410222009-02-13T12:54:00.000+00:002009-02-13T12:54:00.000+00:00AProlefrom1984 said... "And when someone put up t...AProlefrom1984 said... "And when someone put up the ad 'There's probably no God' on buses, Christians responded with a humourous ad"<BR/><BR/>That wasn't the first response for some Christians. It was to complain to the ASA and to get the ad banned. So for some Christians freedom of speech isn't important. But on the larger point there was never, ever any suggestion, nor even a tiny hint of violence against the ads organisers.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611938286584363712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50577014838527889052009-02-13T12:50:00.001+00:002009-02-13T12:50:00.001+00:00Iain I saw the film and even I was shocked by some...Iain I saw the film and even I was shocked by some of the content. Can I suggest a warning before people watch it.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion Lord Ahmed's promise of 10,000 Muslims turning up to the House of Lords to undemocratically disrupt freedom of assembly and speech far outweighs the content of the film's message.DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35483160995833224882009-02-13T12:47:00.000+00:002009-02-13T12:47:00.000+00:00In contrast to Alex it would indeed be very easy t...In contrast to Alex it would indeed be very easy to make a similar video against Christianity based on the words of US Evangelical and Pentecostal preachers and the Old Testament (no one would be interested in making the distinction between the New and Old testaments in the context of denouncing the Bible as a whole). I do agree with Alex that after reading the Koran it is a far more worrisome document.<BR/><BR/>It is of course quite easy to throw Leni Riefenstahl at this but then I believe a lot of the post War political campaigning has roots in Leni Riefenstahl's work. I think straight away of what was in the head of the people who made those controversial posters in '05 that verged on being openly anti-Semitic. <BR/><BR/>A complete failure of the political establishment over this issue. Liberty, David Davis, the Tories, the Liberals, all should be ashamed. Only the few voices of moderate Islam who could get any coverage were standing up for free speech.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611938286584363712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34666171965463078982009-02-13T12:45:00.000+00:002009-02-13T12:45:00.000+00:00trevorsden said... “Why should the Tories get too ...trevorsden said... <I>“Why should the Tories get too involved in this?”</I><BR/><BR/><B>Because they have some pretensions to govern.</B> Apparently. Although perhaps not...<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.atheistbus.org.uk/" REL="nofollow">Atheist bus</A> <A HREF="http://atheistbus.ca/" REL="nofollow">Canadian Atheist bus</A> <A HREF="http://www.busateo.org/" REL="nofollow">Atheist buses in Barcelona & Madrid</A>Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86035108067481413052009-02-13T12:42:00.000+00:002009-02-13T12:42:00.000+00:00Leave it to Chris Paul to bring up the Crusades- j...Leave it to Chris Paul to bring up the Crusades- just like every other whining leftie who wants to defend the indefensible. The Crusades were hundreds of years ago. We are SUPPOSED to be more civilised now.Lady Finchleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03695379463537122656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23962359165602885292009-02-13T12:39:00.001+00:002009-02-13T12:39:00.001+00:00an ex-apprentice said... “...if the Conservative r...an ex-apprentice said... “...if the Conservative response to the Islam/Wilder/Freedom of speech outrage is indicative of their current standards, principles and political courage...”<BR/><BR/>I rather think it is so indicative. So there’s nobody left for you to vote for (except presumably Respect)!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.atheistbus.org.uk/" REL="nofollow">Atheist bus</A> <A HREF="http://atheistbus.ca/" REL="nofollow">Canadian Atheist bus</A> <A HREF="http://www.busateo.org/" REL="nofollow">Atheist buses in Barcelona & Madrid</A>Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.com