tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7727586790940160878..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Is Red Ken Using Sockpuppets to Diss Boris?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66278151610712152672007-08-11T15:18:00.000+01:002007-08-11T15:18:00.000+01:00Ladies please! Put the handbags down and walk away...Ladies please! Put the handbags down and walk away...he's not worth it!Bespokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09256387589658091461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63349023024177035062007-08-10T23:08:00.000+01:002007-08-10T23:08:00.000+01:00No, can't I have the final word, please?!No, can't I have the final word, please?!EMLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135610894123356215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32193286577715410382007-08-10T20:28:00.000+01:002007-08-10T20:28:00.000+01:00I think the final word on this is that Iain is per...I think the final word on this is that Iain is perfectly willing to bitch at me privately (via email) but, publicly, he wants to leave his response to my question about his position on sock-puppets... to a bunch of sock-puppets.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16538855132855045692007-08-10T19:03:00.000+01:002007-08-10T19:03:00.000+01:00Oh, yes. I'm waiting for a straight answer from a ...Oh, yes. I'm waiting for a straight answer from a crooked blogger. Sometimes it takes a while.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51409935727354576762007-08-10T12:08:00.000+01:002007-08-10T12:08:00.000+01:00Are you still here?Are you still here?EMLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135610894123356215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40015889950322621522007-08-10T08:36:00.000+01:002007-08-10T08:36:00.000+01:00Tch. And that's it? I only get to speak to Iain's...Tch. And that's it? I only get to speak to Iain's usual gang of recently-registered bullies when the *subject at hand* is sock-puppets?<BR/><BR/>To paraphrase tapestry; Presumably Iain Dale does have a voice. He could come in and write his views directly if he wishes.<BR/><BR/>Please explain to me Iain why anyone should trust a word you say regarding sock-puppets. Or anything regarding blogging for that matter.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52318375322650716212007-08-10T00:38:00.000+01:002007-08-10T00:38:00.000+01:00Chuck.Today is the future to me. I was brought up...Chuck.<BR/><BR/>Today is the future to me. I was brought up in a bleak black and white world where America was still cool, where the height of sophistication was to make spag bol and where sex was a mystery.(It still is)<BR/><BR/>We read comics depicting the future where we would all wear stretchy suits, travel supersonic and use personal communicators no bigger than a pack of ten Woodbines.<BR/><BR/>Please forgive the awe of an old man who marvels everytime he uses Amazon. <BR/><BR/>Ephemera is the stuff of history. Its the trifles thought to be of no account that provides us with such a rich an authentic feel for the past.<BR/><BR/>Consider this missive:<BR/><BR/>"I suspect<BR/>my Brocchus wants to send me off so he can take up<BR/>with that Barbarian red-head who hangs around the fort<BR/>her hair shamelessly loose. She set her sights on Brocchus last September.<BR/>And I’m a fool for loving him so much. And is your Cerialis faithful?<BR/>How is your little son? I lost my child last month, it just bled out.<BR/>Life is either boring or painful, sister.<BR/>And if we’re lucky, the future<BR/>will make poetry of this, our letters, shopping lists and deaths.<BR/>Vindolanda will fall, another Cesar will rule,<BR/>and even our children will die. And yet we have to try. <BR/><BR/>Letter from Claudia Severa to Sulpicia Lepidina<BR/><BR/>Briga, 100 ADWrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71038200927231911822007-08-09T21:35:00.000+01:002007-08-09T21:35:00.000+01:00Wrinkled Weasel:No, this is 'today'. 'The future'...Wrinkled Weasel:<BR/><BR/>No, this is 'today'. 'The future' comes afterwards. Did you go to some sort of State school by some dreadful misfortune?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, what a truly ghastly thought that the 'writings' (I use that term in its broadest sense) on blogs will last eternally. Virtually none of it is worth preserving for longer than, oh, about a week.<BR/><BR/>I couldn't care less what future 'historians' may use as their reference materials. Whatever they write will be just as crass as the work that most modern 'historians' produce today. 'History' is all too often a matter of opinion, or do you believe it's an absolute?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85019821814060458612007-08-09T18:32:00.000+01:002007-08-09T18:32:00.000+01:00What do you suppose the historians of one hundred ...<I>What do you suppose the historians of one hundred years in the future will be using as primary source material?<BR/><BR/>They will be using, by sifting and by powerful search engines, the chatter and "opinion" of the blogosphere. Iain Dale does not realise this, but in 20, 50 , 100 years time, his words will stil exist and be a very valuable resource for people who want to understand our era.<BR/><BR/>This, for example, is the era of Political Correctness, among other things. In 2107, it will be viewed with much amusement by GCSE sociology students, who will die laughing at the posturing and pouting of the scapegoat seeking loonies who currently have a bit of power.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that Weasel is being far too optimistic about the future of humanity.Sir-C4'https://www.blogger.com/profile/03917709983378003032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82833265886988963612007-08-09T18:07:00.000+01:002007-08-09T18:07:00.000+01:00The biggest sockpuppet on here is Newmania.Oh, do ...The biggest sockpuppet on here is Newmania.<BR/><BR/>Oh, do give it up! You are just making yourselves ridiculous. BORIS JOHNSON? I mean, come on! And that's all over now, anyway.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4899761417668227892007-08-09T17:26:00.000+01:002007-08-09T17:26:00.000+01:00Peter Horrie: "The actual content of what Boris Jo...Peter Horrie: "The actual content of what Boris Johnson stands for . . . is barely refuted, if at all."<BR/><BR/>You are referring to his writings. None of the quotations you have unearthed for us is remotely offensive, and I imagine far too many other people for your liking would be similarly unoffended. People like you have so devotedly pioneered being offended that you lost touch with commonsense humanity. Anyway, it is thoroughly enjoyable to watch all this offence being taken, and knowing it will do you NO GOOD.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1409562273552591062007-08-09T16:08:00.000+01:002007-08-09T16:08:00.000+01:00Boring git!Boring git!EMLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135610894123356215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70947364752579319242007-08-09T15:35:00.000+01:002007-08-09T15:35:00.000+01:00NERO, eml, sockpuppet etc., I am not going to argu...NERO, eml, sockpuppet etc., I am not going to argue the point about Iain's position on sock-puppets with a bunch of sock-puppets... but thanks for showing us all (again) how tolerant Iain is of sock-puppets when they happen to be on his side.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76447294941823451612007-08-09T14:26:00.000+01:002007-08-09T14:26:00.000+01:00"people often use the word 'guru' around him"Price...<I>"people often use the word 'guru' around him"</I><BR/><BR/>Priceless.<BR/><BR/>Not sure it's the word I'd go for.sockpuppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01573982759671810130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18878189427157336312007-08-09T14:06:00.000+01:002007-08-09T14:06:00.000+01:00Tim Ireland: I think the business section of your ...Tim Ireland: I think the <A HREF="http://www.bloggerheads.com/business" REL="nofollow">business</A> section of your site is far more entertaining than your "blog".<BR/><BR/>Have you re-read the "profile" section since it was first drafted? It's excruciatingly embarrassing to read.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, interesting to note that you actually "produced" Boris's blog - have you hidden some code in there, ready for the right moment to strike?EMLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135610894123356215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83758339413559173972007-08-09T13:53:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:53:00.000+01:00Chuck:"I simply cannot understand the mentality of...Chuck:<BR/>"I simply cannot understand the mentality of anyone who thinks that blogs and/or comments on blogs are any more than expressions of opinion"<BR/><BR/>And your point is?<BR/><BR/>What do you suppose the historians of one hundred years in the future will be using as primary source material?<BR/><BR/>They will be using, by sifting and by powerful search engines, the chatter and "opinion" of the blogosphere. Iain Dale does not realise this, but in 20, 50 , 100 years time, his words will stil exist and be a very valuable resource for people who want to understand our era.<BR/><BR/>This, for example, is the era of Political Correctness, among other things. In 2107, it will be viewed with much amusement by GCSE sociology students, who will die laughing at the posturing and pouting of the scapegoat seeking loonies who currently have a bit of power.<BR/><BR/>You are being a bit blinkered. This is the future. Get used to it.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40835206335952063702007-08-09T13:50:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:50:00.000+01:00Who said you could set the agenda? You sanctimonio...Who said you could set the agenda? You sanctimonious tw*t. Christ, you're a chore of a man.<BR/>try and not be such a try hard you try hard c**t.NEROhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014162827071853595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8492451531939605992007-08-09T13:31:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:31:00.000+01:00(snort)OK, so let's proceed by assuming that *you*...(snort)<BR/><BR/>OK, so let's proceed by assuming that *you* are Ken Livingstone. Or perhaps someone more important and trustworthy, like Iain Dale.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59860483937153249932007-08-09T13:24:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:24:00.000+01:00No need to with you, Tim.No need to with you, Tim.NEROhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014162827071853595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30065073040977805122007-08-09T13:12:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:12:00.000+01:00Textbook. Surely you can do better.Textbook. Surely you can do better.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73483708080281967452007-08-09T13:11:00.000+01:002007-08-09T13:11:00.000+01:00Tim's just bitter because no-one reads his boring,...Tim's just bitter because no-one reads his boring, badly written blog. So he stalks Ian and Guido's instead.Tim, If I give you £10 will you F**k off back to Austalia.NEROhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01014162827071853595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83717603091166974332007-08-09T11:40:00.000+01:002007-08-09T11:40:00.000+01:00I simply cannot understand the mentality of anyone...I simply cannot understand the mentality of anyone who thinks that blogs and/or comments on blogs are any more than expressions of opinion.<BR/><BR/>And what's all this <I>'we are the bold truth-tellers of the blogosphere'</I> bollocks that you "Tim" have introduced? Was that said somewhere before? Have I missed it somehow?<BR/><BR/>For heaven's sake have a lie down and take some more of your medication. You'll be doing yourself an injury if you carry on like that.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73707563117716745592007-08-09T11:35:00.000+01:002007-08-09T11:35:00.000+01:00"Writing is a very honest medium"As an erstwhile l..."Writing is a very honest medium"<BR/><BR/>As an erstwhile literary type, Tapestry, I have to take issue on several levels, but I know what you mean.<BR/><BR/>This thread has been a dialogue about veracity,intention and identity, so to that extent you are spot on.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I might do a study module entitled, <BR/><BR/>"veracity, intention and identity in post-Foucaultist cyber-culture"<BR/><BR/>Joking aside, (Somebody will pick this up for their dissertation for sure) the simple solution, as everybody knows, is for contributors to have something like a permanent verifiable web identity. The problem here has not been anonymous posters but ad hoc posters - people who pop up for the soul purpose of a single issue, who usually conform to the accepted term of "sock puppet"<BR/><BR/>The solution, if I may suggest one, is to transfer our host to a bulletine board platform. This would achieve two things: a.establish a consistent identity with a visible posting history and b. allow the banning of specific troublemakers and their ip address. It would be a radical step, but it does lead to greater accountabilty and more linear dialogue, if not honesty, which I doubt.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34754320609683752492007-08-09T11:19:00.000+01:002007-08-09T11:19:00.000+01:00The (repeated) suggestion that Livingstone is redu...The (repeated) suggestion that Livingstone is reduced to personally sock-puppeting websites coming from *this* website after <A HREF="http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/07/shapps-denies-astroturfing-allegations.html" REL="nofollow">*this*</A>? Sorry, but that with added 'we are the bold truth-tellers of the blogosphere' nonsense takes the cake.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19250870399118077412007-08-09T11:11:00.000+01:002007-08-09T11:11:00.000+01:00"Tim":"It can't be topped for sheer audacity (with..."Tim":<BR/><BR/><I>"It can't be topped for sheer audacity (with bonus helpings of chutzpah)"</I><BR/><BR/>What the hell are you on, boy? You're really going to have to seek urgent medical attention. I mean, how does your comment bear any relationship to the previous remarks. For that matter how does your comment bear any relationship to anything except fluent gibberish?<BR/><BR/>"Audacity"? "Chutzpah"? What on earth are you on about?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.com