tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7682247593366871160..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: How does Labour Know Postal Vote Results?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12860308656476442742007-05-04T09:11:00.000+01:002007-05-04T09:11:00.000+01:00Labour organisers knew the postal vote counts in t...Labour organisers knew the postal vote counts in the May 2006 local council and mayoral election well before the counts here in Hackney, as did many relatively junior council officials. That didn't shock anyone. What really shocked people was that certain declared results differed widely from the figures that had been put out two or three days earlier. Sorry I can't give my name, for obvious reasons, but be assured that this is true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82623359484463462162007-05-04T09:05:00.000+01:002007-05-04T09:05:00.000+01:00Why do people find this mysterious?You have the of...Why do people find this mysterious?<BR/><BR/>You have the official procedure of opening the external envelope, then you store them until counting time. During that period Nulab helpfully opens the inner envelopes to weed out nasty bnp votes and replace them with shiny nulab votes before placing them in new envelopes. Obviously they can't help but notice how the votes are split.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17333638851912936172007-05-04T05:36:00.000+01:002007-05-04T05:36:00.000+01:00I have just heard the newly elected Welsh Assembly...I have just heard the newly elected Welsh Assembly Member for Cardiff North, Jonathan Morgan tell BBC Wales that “The postal votes over the past week and a helf showed that we were ahead of Labour” (that's verbatim).<BR/><BR/>Do you find this deeply worrying as well?Normal Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374935277497669293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29990472896098523742007-05-03T23:20:00.000+01:002007-05-03T23:20:00.000+01:00Don't blame the parties for doing what they're leg...Don't blame the parties for doing what they're legally allowed to do. Like soldiers, they'll use any weapon that comes to hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41162404018381041212007-05-03T22:25:00.000+01:002007-05-03T22:25:00.000+01:00But we all agree, don't we, that postal voting on ...But we all agree, don't we, that postal voting on demand is a rotten idea. <BR/><BR/>It is particularly open to abuse by the Labour party in inner city wards with large Muslim populations. That, of course, is why the government introduced it.<BR/><BR/>(There was some fancy talk about "rigorous safeguards", but Richard Mawbrey QC, the elections judge, soon blew that out of the water with his reference to "arrangements which would disgrace a banana republic.")<BR/><BR/>It would have been an equally rotten idea if the Tories had introduced it, not least because a postal vote may not be secret and a secret ballot is something our ancestors fought long and hard to achieve.<BR/><BR/>PS. Don't try posting this sort of comment on The Grauniad's blogs. You'll only get banned for racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11207311187293311032007-05-03T22:09:00.000+01:002007-05-03T22:09:00.000+01:00ygOne consequence of the vogue for postal voting i...ygOne consequence of the vogue for postal voting is that more people have to cast their votes before the end of the election campaign. This makes the campaign less significant as an influence on the outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31335986206147803442007-05-03T21:16:00.000+01:002007-05-03T21:16:00.000+01:00This sounds like spin.If the results were known an...This sounds like spin.<BR/><BR/>If the results were known and divulged to try and motivate demoralised voters, then that would be a naughty thing and illegal.<BR/><BR/>If the results were not known and a story was concocted that they were to try and motivate demoralised voters, then that would be a naughty thing but not illegal.<BR/><BR/>I glanced over the story and, rather than feeling a sinking sense of despair, I thought that - if true - then the Labour figures were remarkably low for postal voting and that a kicking was likely at the ballot box proper.<BR/><BR/>I get the feeling that Labour still have a functioning centre, with the normal practices of spin, pushing postal votes and calling in favours from political editors, but that there is very little outwith the centre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62043274877903334872007-05-03T20:51:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:51:00.000+01:00anonymous:8.24.Yeah mate, that's right, democracy ...anonymous:8.24.<BR/>Yeah mate, that's right, democracy is a relative concept and we can safely ignore any practices that would disgrace a banana republic.<BR/> In that vein we reserve the right to give Cameron,"a good kicking,"if and when he f***s up the country like this lot of Labour morons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70958503613909078302007-05-03T20:50:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:50:00.000+01:00Brinnnggg Brinnnggg, Brinnnggg Brinnnggg.Hello, Ya...Brinnnggg Brinnnggg, Brinnnggg Brinnnggg.<BR/><BR/>Hello, Yates speaking.<BR/><BR/>Hello sir, Commissioner's Office here. The Commissioner says that you should pack your bag. It looks as if you are off to Scotland. Something about more corrupt practices again from those Nulab people.<BR/><BR/>Yates: Right you are, I'm on my way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58321865583140677332007-05-03T20:49:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:49:00.000+01:00sfiePlease Explain your response to my post.I woul...sfie<BR/>Please Explain your response to my post.<BR/><BR/>I would dearly love to have a Conservative Government running the UK again. IMHO this will not happen until Cameron becomes a Conservative in Public, it is nothing to be ashamed of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61540399723223419172007-05-03T20:47:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:47:00.000+01:00What if they had a good canvas? If they had found ...What if they had a good canvas? If they had found out the intention of postal voters (of which they have lists) and then they extrapolated the data from that, then it's not illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45267664510416609942007-05-03T20:31:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:31:00.000+01:00anon 8.24 - twatanon 8.24 - twatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54011528052679161912007-05-03T20:30:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:30:00.000+01:00Just found out that around 2,000 postal votes in S...Just found out that around 2,000 postal votes in Stevenage were sent to the wrong address. A fault with the system apparently. Hmm, a fault with the whole idea if you ask me.<BR/>Go on Iain, give my blog a go. You know you want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52327545540343812782007-05-03T20:24:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:24:00.000+01:00Couldn't Give a Shit about a few postal votes.What...Couldn't Give a Shit about a few postal votes.<BR/><BR/>What matters is that Cameron is Given a Good enough Kicking to make him turn into a PROPER Conservative PDQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89894692087300568882007-05-03T20:21:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:21:00.000+01:00DUNCAN BORROWMAN "When postal votes are opened it ...DUNCAN BORROWMAN <BR/>"When postal votes are opened it is often quite easy to take samples for your own purposes to see how things are going. But publishing extrapolations from those figures is highly dodgy." <BR/><BR/>Why are you doing this you corrupt fuckwit !? You are supposed to be impartially supervising democracy, not trying to see how well your efforts at 'getting out the vote' are going. You should be bloody ashamed and disgusted with yourself you self-serving twat !!! This is absolutely scandalous and I hope the mainstream media gives you and the rest of your corrupt cronies the roasting you deserve. <BR/><BR/>'Highly dodgy' - it should be 100% impossible you buffoon !!! This is absolutely disgusting and I'm sorry for my bad language but I can't begin to describe how annoyed and frustrated I am that this disgusting breach of trust is happening in our democracy !!<BR/><BR/>Thank goodness that Iain Dale has had the courage to expose this evil and disgusting practice. After this I pledge NEVER EVER EVER to vote for a Liberal Demotwat ever again, or have my vote hijacked, abused and mistreated by you bunch of bollock juggling imbeciles since I will never allow my vote to be done postally EVER again. <BR/><BR/>There - are you happy with what you've achieved to 'improve' your party's turnout now ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50589533616626679972007-05-03T20:13:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:13:00.000+01:00Right - that's it. I'd switched to postal voting f...Right - that's it. I'd switched to postal voting for convenience, but I, and I suspect thousands of others are switching back to voting in person. <BR/><BR/>Excuse my french, but this is a fucking scandal, it stinks, and if I knew they were opening postal ballots in advance of the polls closing I for one wouldn't have signed up to it. <BR/><BR/>This needs to exposed through the main stream media - it is riddled with controversy and wide open to abuse. Why on earth to they set aside the day after for counting ballots if the postal ballots are opened in advance of the polls closing ? This gives the impression that the postal ballots aren't being opened until the night of the election !!!!! <BR/><BR/>I feel like I've been shafted, and I'm bloody bloody furious. <BR/><BR/>Never again am I falling for this corruptible and incompetent practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14004329188138942007-05-03T20:01:00.000+01:002007-05-03T20:01:00.000+01:00I understand some wards won't be counting the vote...I understand some wards won't be counting the votes tonight. but tomorrow morning. I wonder why. This has never happened before. The longer votes remain uncounted, the greater the scope for fraud and tampering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90653297490417264852007-05-03T19:59:00.000+01:002007-05-03T19:59:00.000+01:00This blog is very anti-Labour but it is telling th...This blog is very anti-Labour but it is telling that positive comments about Cameron are rare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9320367309205168962007-05-03T19:33:00.000+01:002007-05-03T19:33:00.000+01:00The trouble is we don't know what the "real" resul...The trouble is we don't know what the "real" results are until the courts have ruled on all the dodgy postal votes being contested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34578811543740615232007-05-03T19:22:00.001+01:002007-05-03T19:22:00.001+01:00I think you have to see what happens when the real...I think you have to see what happens when the real results has been declared.Liberal Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15494973255399870603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74204410468613593142007-05-03T19:22:00.000+01:002007-05-03T19:22:00.000+01:00IainIt is about time the Electoral Commission was ...Iain<BR/><BR/>It is about time the Electoral Commission was put in the hands of 3 senior judges, rather than Sam Younger et al. The body politic is corrupt, and needs sorting out pronto.<BR/><BR/>Getting rid of postal voting as far as possible (why not vote at weekends to make it easier for people), and, as a Tory, I know you won't like this, but STV for local government, would maximise turnout, and minimise the 'rotten borough' effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2513084775848690672007-05-03T19:21:00.000+01:002007-05-03T19:21:00.000+01:00Oh c'mon people. Anyone can tell who's cast a post...Oh c'mon people. Anyone can tell who's cast a postal vote for Labour even before they're opened. <BR/>It's the drool stains on the envelopes that give the game away...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78257422559286550122007-05-03T19:07:00.000+01:002007-05-03T19:07:00.000+01:00HARDLy worrying - its because of sampling not an e...HARDLy worrying - its because of sampling not an exact scienceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43972194744298657632007-05-03T18:51:00.000+01:002007-05-03T18:51:00.000+01:00As the author of the Liberal Democrats' Campaigns ...As the author of the Liberal Democrats' Campaigns Manual 4th and 5th editions I can categorically state that there is nothing in them saying to make public postal voting figures.<BR/>When postal votes are opened it is often quite easy to take samples for your own purposes to see how things are going. But publishing extrapolations from those figures is highly dodgy.Duncan Borrowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301480655035778743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55332977604257944872007-05-03T18:48:00.000+01:002007-05-03T18:48:00.000+01:00SNP always do bad in postal votes. So it's normal ...SNP always do bad in postal votes. So it's normal they're behind Labour in themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com