Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: New Labour Sheds Its Skin

If I had known that we were in for a Red Flag sing...

2008-02-22T19:45:00.000Z

If I had known that we were in for a Red Flag sing song, I would never have stood down at the last election.

Even if Clegg's views do differ from mine, the Lib...

2008-02-21T11:03:00.000Z

Even if Clegg's views do differ from mine, the LibDems are a much better fit than the Tories. Besides, his economic views are actually not far from mine. In his speeches he has distanced himself from the left-of-Labour socialism some people attribute to the LibDems.

"Unless you expect me to believe that Cameron turn...

2008-02-21T09:28:00.000Z

"Unless you expect me to believe that Cameron turned you round and you now agree with his views on everything."

So hang on. You won't support a party unless all of its activists are dead-eyed disciples, but you yourself are allowed to hold views wholly divergent with your own leadership. Truly, you are the liberal elite.

new maniaRemaining sovereignty.So would you be in ...

2008-02-21T04:03:00.000Z

new mania
Remaining sovereignty.
So would you be in favor of sending all foreign troops that are stationed in Britain home?

By the way (and this is addressed to Iain, as well...

2008-02-20T17:11:00.000Z

By the way (and this is addressed to Iain, as well) I haven't come here to be a troll and my intentions are not negative. I want to have a discussion about things. I know I sound like I'm always bitchin', but I'm not really like that.

Praguetory and Newmania, I will not vote Conservat...

2008-02-20T15:53:00.000Z

Praguetory and Newmania, I will not vote Conservative because the extremists in the party concern me a lot more than the issues I mentioned. It's called keeping your head down and making do with what you've got. Unless you expect me to believe that Cameron turned you round and you now agree with his views on everything.

I also have views on such matters as the environment (remember that?), Iraq (only one mainstream, non-nutty party was truly against British participation), civil liberties (the LibDems are the best by far), localism (only one party makes the running), and so on.

I've been following Clegg and I like MOST of what he does. I'm not stupid, nor am I ignorant. The Tories' pitch for LibDem votes and the "vote blue, go green" business is completely dishonest and repulsive.

The people's flag is deepest red, It shrouded oft ...

2008-02-20T15:50:00.000Z

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Hi Asquith,'It so happens that I'm economically li...

2008-02-20T14:42:00.000Z

Hi Asquith,

'It so happens that I'm economically liberal'

You're in the wrong party.

'Eurosceptic,'

Without a doubt.

'unconvinced of the benefits of immigration'

Clegg favours an immigration amnesty.

An astonishing young man who seems inclined to vote for a party that stands for everything he opposes.

Asquith said: "Vote Cameron, get ConHome."If only....

2008-02-20T14:22:00.000Z

Asquith said: "Vote Cameron, get ConHome."
If only.

I'm economically liberal, Eurosceptic, unconvinced...

2008-02-20T13:20:00.000Z

I'm economically liberal, Eurosceptic, unconvinced of the benefits of immigration

But you will vote for a Party who will effectively guarantee the end of our remaining sovereignty continued mass immigration and ever higher taxes all of which a Brown administration will portend and would be broadly supported by the Lib Dems very possibly as a coalition .

These Liberals are crazy.

PS Iain Dale is in love with everything Cameron does . He owns a blow up replica David Cameron which he takes on long romantic walks.
I don`t recall a word of criticism except when Dave appeared to dis the great Lady in a speech in the US.

Actually, I chose the LibDems as the lesser evil. ...

2008-02-20T12:36:00.000Z

Actually, I chose the LibDems as the lesser evil. I won't become a member. It so happens that I'm economically liberal, Eurosceptic, unconvinced of the benefits of immigration and generally the sort of person who would vote Conservative if the party shed itself of its headbanging wing. But it hasn't, and never will.

If you want my humble opinion, I'm completely against joining forces with Brown, as he is authoritarian. But it's not like I go out drinking with Nick Clegg and can turn him round to my point of view. Iain Dale isn't in love with everything Cameron does, but he's still a Tory.

Besides which, if many LibDems did serve in the SDP, that's a positive rather than a negative. They left Labour because it was extreme and authoritarian. One thinks of Roy Jenkins, a natural liberal who was only in Labour because the Liberal party was moribund.

the name asquith would tell you that I'm nothing t...

2008-02-20T11:47:00.000Z

the name asquith would tell you that I'm nothing to do with Labour.

Except when your party leaps into bed with Brown to prop him up after the next election!

I should have thought bearing the name asquith wou...

2008-02-20T11:40:00.000Z

I should have thought bearing the name asquith would tell you that I'm nothing to do with Labour.

Really Asquith Are you not a member of the party breaking a manifesto commitment and saving Gordon Brown from his own rebels over the Lisbon lie? Yes.

Are you not also a member of a Party which has reportedly ,(Independent) agreed a deal , power sharing for PR with Gordon Brown`s National Socialist Reich in another act of contempt for the electorate? Yes.

Are you not a Party half of which would have stayed labour had New labour come along in time and whose members will never supprt the COnservative Party? Yes.

Are you therefore not in effect a member of the Labour Party. Yes .( with added lentils )

VOTE Lib Dem get BROWN.

Sorry, my lengthly answer to Newmania wasn't poste...

2008-02-20T11:26:00.000Z

Sorry, my lengthly answer to Newmania wasn't posted. Suffice to say that I'm a LibDem and I wasn't trying to defend clunking fist, just saying that it's a bit rich for a Tory to complain about another party having extremists in its ranks.

Unless you can seriously tell me, with a straight face, that Dave from PR has turned the Tories into a liberal party and Tory MPs and party members have changed their minds.

The Chancellor took the unusual move of introducin...

2008-02-20T11:13:00.000Z

The Chancellor took the unusual move of introducing small print into emergency legislation yesterday to prevent public scrutiny of the bank, which has been nationalised.

Open Government?

http://tinyurl.com/yqhoym

Labour members sing the Red Flag. Wow. Didn't see ...

2008-02-20T10:52:00.000Z

Labour members sing the Red Flag. Wow. Didn't see that coming.

"I'd vote for Father Jack, Jim Davidson, or even O...

2008-02-20T10:41:00.000Z

"I'd vote for Father Jack, Jim Davidson, or even Old Nick himself if it rid us of Brown and his gang of spivs."

Tory then?

I should have thought bearing the name asquith wou...

2008-02-20T10:30:00.000Z

I should have thought bearing the name asquith would tell you that I'm nothing to do with Labour.

asquith 8.44 "Vote Cameron, get ConHome."I'd vote ...

2008-02-20T10:22:00.000Z

asquith 8.44 "Vote Cameron, get ConHome."

I'd vote for Father Jack, Jim Davidson, or even Old Nick himself if it rid us of Brown and his gang of spivs.

demutualisation however is nothing to do with nati...

2008-02-20T10:09:00.000Z

demutualisation however is nothing to do with nationalisation or privatisation. Mutual bank can make stupid short term decisions as well. As the despatches programme showed, their was a clamour from everyone to get in on the act... High returns from AAA credit rated companies.

Really Asquith it would appear that your own Junio...

2008-02-20T09:59:00.000Z

Really Asquith it would appear that your own Junior minister Pat Mcfadden is keen to aknowledge that everything the Conservatives have been saying has been right and our side of the aisle has won the argument on all fronts .

I quote ...and translate

Labour must encourage debate on immigration (sic) and accept there is public disquiet ....the relationship between fairness and public service provision was "broken".
(= Damn those scrounging foreigners )

Reform of public services had to go further, saying the debate on GPs opening hours was only the beginning

( = Damn that wasteful Public Sector )

.The debate on climate change was starting to leave the public behind

(= Nuts to those enviro loons )

He called for the party to end its "sterile" discussion about the governance of schools and city academies, adding that the problem was not that the government had introduced too much reform in education but rather too little................... We need to move on from a sterile debate about governance to a realisation that these reforms are essential to giving some of the most disadvantaged children in the country more opportunities than they have enjoyed up until now.

(= Bring back Grammars oi!)

(immigration) most frustrating for the public, the vast majority of whom are not racist, is the sense that you're not allowed to talk about this, that whatever they feel it is beyond the boundaries of legitimate discussion." ...

(= sod your political correctness)

Thanks for that admission that you have not got a thing right in ten years Now sod off ...( is my view of it )

To be honest with you, if there are fossilised sur...

2008-02-20T09:44:00.000Z

To be honest with you, if there are fossilised survivors of a bygone age, I'd look to your side of the aisle. Unless you really want me to believe that the Tories have gone Cameroon overnight.

OK, I'm predictable. But it can't be denied. Vote Cameron, get ConHome.

You really don't understand humour do you?

2008-02-20T09:26:00.000Z

You really don't understand humour do you?

For the first time in my life I find myself agreei...

2008-02-20T09:17:00.000Z

For the first time in my life I find myself agreeing with a left-wing Labour MP. Demutualisation was a catastrophic error.

Are you sure they weren't singing the alternative ...

2008-02-20T09:13:00.001Z

Are you sure they weren't singing the alternative version?
'The working class can kiss my a..e,
I've got an MP's job* at last.'

*You can make your own substitute here, it didn't seem a bad idea to meld two stories.