tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7159522846324887022..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: In Defence of Lord McColl (And - Whisper It - Private Healthcare)Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62759949736762150822009-08-23T19:06:51.546+01:002009-08-23T19:06:51.546+01:00Don't use private health care? Um ... in the s...Don't use private health care? Um ... in the socialist Utopia that is Scotland, in that north east outpost of the NHS I would LOVE to us e an NHS dentist. A what? What is an NHS dentist? My ex dentist was NHS when I joined the practice, then they introduced private insurance ... then they were offering interest free loans of over £1000 for treatment. Good eh? If anyone out there knows of an NHS dentist within a twenty mile radious of Aberdeen, let me know. Let the world know ... it will be like the second coming ... one of the world's miracles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90442320488083058322009-08-21T01:33:04.599+01:002009-08-21T01:33:04.599+01:00The guy is a surgeon. He saves lives. That's h...The guy is a surgeon. He saves lives. That's how he earns his livelihood. That's bad now is it?<br /><br />Time to get politics - and the public sector - completely out of healthcare.<br /><br />The government has a liability called pensions. It is in the government's best interest if each of us dies young so they don't have to borrow even more money to pay out. Does anyone else think the fact that this same government is in charge of rationing our healthcare might be a little bit of a conflict?<br /><br />This shows how much socialism is prevalent and has become common-think in this backward country.Scot Richardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68205576644441234302009-08-20T06:53:29.000+01:002009-08-20T06:53:29.000+01:00"Conversely, those who believe the state shou...<i>"Conversely, those who believe the state should have no role in the provision of healthcare also need to be taken on. The state does indeed have a role - the debate is about how large that role should be..."</i><br /><br />I think that's wrong. I do not believe it is any business of the state to look after my health (or anybody else's) at all. The notion that some or other government pannel should decide how many hip replacements there are going to be in my area in the current year is self-evidently absurd. Yet this is what happens, and it then gives the government rights to interfere in other areas (which I should hardly need to point out that it should not have). <br /><br />So then you start hearing that hip replacements will be refused to those who are overweight or smoke. Again, my weight and smoking habits are none of the government's business. <br /><br />It's a freedom issue. Socialised healthcare gives the government the right to interfere with lifestyle choices. The Americans understand this, which is why Obama's healthcare proposals are as popular there as a cup of cold sick.Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46765087754975348722009-08-19T21:42:38.424+01:002009-08-19T21:42:38.424+01:00Nurse, quick , we need a supposiTORY, fetch the be...Nurse, quick , we need a supposiTORY, fetch the bedpan whilst you are about it.<br /><br />Saves digging around any furtherTrue Bellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19403513570098709732009-08-19T21:25:42.039+01:002009-08-19T21:25:42.039+01:00why has the institution of marriage between a man ...why has the institution of marriage between a man and a woman not been placed on the political agenda of the new 'reformed' Conservative party?True Bluenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65795005728704639672009-08-19T20:04:01.805+01:002009-08-19T20:04:01.805+01:00Iain , you would actually look great in ermine!Iain , you would actually look great in ermine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73550424524016496742009-08-19T18:22:26.229+01:002009-08-19T18:22:26.229+01:00'Peers who love outside London'
So more m...'Peers who love outside London'<br /><br />So more money if you have a mistress outside the capital? Yes I know o and i are next to each other on the keyboard. Made me laugh though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35628364551763968692009-08-19T18:06:28.728+01:002009-08-19T18:06:28.728+01:00norman said...
Politics of envy are we talking abo...norman said...<br /><i>Politics of envy are we talking about?</i><br /><br />No. I was just pointing out that Lord MacColl does not, as Iain suggests, need to take on outside work in order to make ends meet.<br /><br />Good luck to him. The House of Lords attendance allowance that he claims is the icing on the cake.Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9464603837950221322009-08-19T17:16:47.677+01:002009-08-19T17:16:47.677+01:00Heh, heh.
I normally enjoy when Canvas and Iain d...Heh, heh.<br /><br />I normally enjoy when Canvas and Iain double act but to use Alastair Campbell's quotes as the voice of reason enters the realms of lunancy. <br /><br /><br />STB.ScotsToryBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12207431916446594508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45788394458934655942009-08-19T17:13:03.794+01:002009-08-19T17:13:03.794+01:00Norman 3.40 - well said about Labour MP Alan Millb...Norman 3.40 - well said about Labour MP Alan Millburn and his work for private healthcare. Why doesn't the Times write about him?perdixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50345831533533615482009-08-19T16:53:52.498+01:002009-08-19T16:53:52.498+01:00Is it not odd that certain people turn up and post...Is it not odd that certain people turn up and post at the same time on the same topic threads?<br /><br />You'd almost think a switch had been thrown, or an order sent out...Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1935553749533049012009-08-19T15:40:06.671+01:002009-08-19T15:40:06.671+01:00@Carl
Private means? Don't forget that he will...@Carl<br />Private means? Don't forget that he will also be drawing:<br /><br />- Old age pension<br />- Pension from his previous job as a Professor<br />- Pay from his current lecturing job<br />- Pay from his various consultancies<br />- Probably a private pension<br /><br />Politics of envy are we talking about? The ex-CND member Milburn earns as much involving in healthcare industry ( an NHS Taliban before). It seems in this country all you have to do is become Labour party member and shout "NHS "and say" I strongly believe in NHS", and then you are free to moonlight in whatever and also as locum while working as GP, do a Milburn resigning as health secretary and involve in health care industry whatever that means ( no question of conflict of interest) We are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. What any one does with private money is his/her business as long as it is legal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23324468754654450892009-08-19T15:21:46.221+01:002009-08-19T15:21:46.221+01:00abI offer this as a story I was told by somebody i...abI offer this as a story I was told by somebody in the medical profession....<br /><br />Mandelson was 'rushed' into hospital last October for what turned out to be a kidney stone.<br /><br />I was told that Lord Darzi was woken in the early hours in Oxfordshire and had to come into London to personally take Mandy into hospital, ensuring the best attention of course.<br /><br />There's the NHS used by me and my parents - good in crisis - and the NHS used by the Labour elite.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1069697/Peter-Mandelson-rushed-hospital-day-new-job.htmlnewsed1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12746279176570620182009-08-19T15:16:27.836+01:002009-08-19T15:16:27.836+01:00Anonymous, 1.46:
Peers don't turn up and sign...Anonymous, 1.46:<br /><br />Peers don't turn up and sign a piece of paper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43311228724875339322009-08-19T15:10:35.469+01:002009-08-19T15:10:35.469+01:00@Liberty
Thinking on what you said I suppose that...@Liberty<br /><br />Thinking on what you said I suppose that what I object to most is not somebody with a vested (and declared) interest in Parliament asking a question or making a speech, rather it is their involvement with making Policy on the matter in question.<br /><br />By the way, my point about the radio turn-off was that the manufacturers of digital radios are finding they cannot sell them in the face of the existing superior and more flexible AM and FM ones, so they are trying to force people to buy them - pure rent seekers.<br /><br />Governments have form on this: Back in the 80s the old 405 line TV system was switched off and the minister in question moved on to the board of the company that took over quite a segment of the vacated frequency allocations.<br /><br />Hence being 'Bent as a corkscrew' in politics is not new, it just that after the MPs expenses scam I have finally had enough of these troughers.Bent as a corkscrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19537976691600816662009-08-19T14:53:14.204+01:002009-08-19T14:53:14.204+01:00They get an attendance allowance of £86.50 per sit...<i>They get an attendance allowance of £86.50 per sitting day. Last year, that would have trousered them £14,186 . So unless you have private means, you have to have outside work.</i><br /><br />Private means? Don't forget that he will also be drawing:<br /><br />- Old age pension<br />- Pension from his previous job as a Professor<br />- Pay from his current lecturing job<br />- Pay from his various consultancies<br />- Probably a private pensionCarlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40494204451506890862009-08-19T14:46:35.912+01:002009-08-19T14:46:35.912+01:00"There is a £174 overnight allowance, which o..."There is a £174 overnight allowance, which only applies to Peers who love outside London."<br /><br />Nice work if you can get it.zJimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16694393651403444482009-08-19T14:24:28.828+01:002009-08-19T14:24:28.828+01:00Ironic indeed. These days the Murdoch paper in a w...Ironic indeed. These days the Murdoch paper in a way is complicit in defending NHS and smearing Tories with stories of sorts while the boss's outfits in the USA, the Fox News plus newspapers plus his Republican friends are busy rubbishing NHS and holding out private healthcare as a beacon!!!<br />I am easy with Lord MaColl the distingusihed Surgeon giving advice ( Lord Darzi would probably agree with him in private!) and not a leftist GP who while cursing the private heathcarers is doubling privately as locum to pocket extra money. Some are saying leave Gordon out. We should also leave out those Labour MPs who use private health care.<br />My neighbour a staunch Labour supporter uses his private money to drive a Mercedes top of the range, to take Tuscan holidays, to send kids to private schools but sneers at me for having private health insurance worth £2000 per year!! Talking of Talibans, they are here in our midst in numbers<br />than in Afghanistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44514461814846061792009-08-19T14:20:24.516+01:002009-08-19T14:20:24.516+01:00"the right are far more brutal and aggressive..."the right are far more brutal and aggressive in their arguments than the left, basically because progressives tend to be nicer people."<br /><br />WTF.<br /><br />Has Camp Bull ignored the last eight years? A brief refresher: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612<br /><br />You gonna admit you were wrong about Iran yet?Hurf Durfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56486046169868338022009-08-19T14:18:04.783+01:002009-08-19T14:18:04.783+01:00do you support Dan Hannan's argument that the ...do you support Dan Hannan's argument that the NHS has been a 60 year failure?Ensignnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33596185557252001352009-08-19T14:17:11.757+01:002009-08-19T14:17:11.757+01:00Iain,
The point is that nobody in the recent furo...Iain,<br /><br />The point is that nobody in the recent furore over health was attacking private care, or claiming that it ought to be abolished. The focus was on the NHS and what to do with it. You implied that someone needs to ride to the rescue of private healthcare, and that the latter is somehow under siege. But that is just not the case - private healthcare is not in need of defence. Saying that it is - implying that it is under threat - is just a smokescreen.Soho Politicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02884702203363420368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9836012494830483502009-08-19T14:15:17.351+01:002009-08-19T14:15:17.351+01:00Don't see what the problem is. I think it'...Don't see what the problem is. I think it's a good idea that someone with acute knowledge of the medical profession is part of the shadow health team. And the fact that he still keeps himself involved in medecine is also a benefit too. And as for people arguing that £27k is a lot of money, to someone like me it is. It's just over the national average wage, but it's certainly nowhere near a doctor's wage and probably is below the average wage for London.<br /><br />Also, this private/NHS argument is silly. I think it would be great if more of the seriously rich went private. They would get better care and be dealt with quicker but conversely, so would the NHS as the demands on it would get a slight reduction. And more peole taking private care would lead to the costs for the private health sector coming down thus allowing more people to be able to afford it and helping the NHS even more. Everybody wins.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10904181998734097782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88131760437050017792009-08-19T14:08:50.013+01:002009-08-19T14:08:50.013+01:00I love outside London....
Jim
yeah I know, just ...I love outside London....<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />yeah I know, just a typo ;o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65988207443536771572009-08-19T14:07:45.428+01:002009-08-19T14:07:45.428+01:00I'd further think that the public might be ple...I'd further think that the public might be pleased to hear that someone who might be advising or speaking for the next government's Health Dept has relevant experience. <br /><br />Cabinet ministers are parachuted into positions all the time to reorganise or devise policies for government functions that they know nothing about. Surely it's an asset that the Tories have a health spokesman who actually has experience, God forbid, in any health industry, private or not?emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18183048420923051044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90599867829956728072009-08-19T13:46:56.319+01:002009-08-19T13:46:56.319+01:00"Last year, that would have trousered them £2..."Last year, that would have trousered them £27,840. So unless you have private means, you have to have outside work"<br /><br />Um... So you're saying that Peers are under-paid and simply have to seek out some alternative income because they get paid more than the national average salary for turning up each morning and signing a piece of paper even if they then just turn around and go home again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com