tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post714656099175469837..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Another Labour Day for the TelegraphIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7545631592326153192010-04-01T05:58:47.996+01:002010-04-01T05:58:47.996+01:00Heffer is a self opinionated journalist gone well ...Heffer is a self opinionated journalist gone well past his sell-by date. Nobody really bothers reading his column. He must have cost the DT hundreds of thousands in lost revenue. Journalists like him should seek alternative employment at the Mirror(if they would have him?). Perhaps the Editor in Chief may wish to think on this advice.Sterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521877729216142483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50052734556262368382010-02-28T11:39:56.085+00:002010-02-28T11:39:56.085+00:00Longrun2, I don't know about Cameron's int...Longrun2, I don't know about Cameron's intellect (although I'm sure it's a healthy one) but I know that I myself as a leading liberal am possessed of an extraordinarily high IQ. Which is why as a mere trifling amusement I devote one zillionth of my available brain power daily to controlling discussion on this blog. Whilst stroking my white cat in my mountain retreat. And reading LSE boffinish prognostications.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16675545503156515652010-02-28T11:37:35.099+00:002010-02-28T11:37:35.099+00:00I think it shows how totally absurd some Tory back...I think it shows how totally absurd some Tory backwoodspeople truly are that they think Simon Heffer is a Socialist!<br /><br />Tory Boys has it about right - the Telegraph, to give it credit, has always featured articles by writers of "other" persuasions. I recall years and years ago that it used to have regular pieces by Tony Benn and Michael Foot during the Thatcher years. Similarly, the Guardian often features pieces from Tory politicos.<br /><br />Some of you really really need to think about taking the blinkers off.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21624887812040837692010-02-28T11:17:28.079+00:002010-02-28T11:17:28.079+00:00Heffer is an idiot, he does not live in the modern...Heffer is an idiot, he does not live in the modern world. Like Peter Hitchens he lives in 1950s Britain and cannot accept all the changes that have taken place. These deluded men think they represent a majority of voters but they actually represent a tiny, tiny minority.<br />And the pair of them are good examples of the bizarre faction in the media who delight in taking pot shots at the Conservatives rather than this horrendous, bankrupt government.Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184880363878458929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17195785830485956452010-02-27T21:36:50.468+00:002010-02-27T21:36:50.468+00:00Wonderful example of the people of the UK being bo...Wonderful example of the people of the UK being bought with their own money. How much advertising revenue does the Telegraph get from the government?Tom Meinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11556288544174140300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75586552515775953402010-02-27T21:05:15.996+00:002010-02-27T21:05:15.996+00:00Mary Riddell and Simon Heffer are secret socialist...Mary Riddell and Simon Heffer are secret socialists, they should be writing for the Daily Mirror or The Morning Star.<br />May one say 'Scum sucking pigs'Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07259403851476224295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24053092403091024012010-02-27T19:08:52.872+00:002010-02-27T19:08:52.872+00:00Unsworth
I don't disagree with your points b...Unsworth <br /><br />I don't disagree with your points b) and c) either. <br /><br />I don't see how you can avoid a system where the proprietors have some editorial input, and actually getting the balance right is difficult to achieve. Perhaps the Guardian Trust model is the best we have - but you could imagine the fuss if someone tried to implement it! <br /><br />Although the press is not entirely free in the UK, it is still pretty free and I don't see many viewpoints that don't get out somewhere. Dale's objection is against pluralism and hearing non Tory views in what he thinks should be something near to a Tory version of Pravda. Objecting to differing views from your own on the basis of where they appear rather than on the grounds of their content is fundamentally undemocratic.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22842470660048414672010-02-27T18:24:11.440+00:002010-02-27T18:24:11.440+00:00If you want uncritical tory propaganda then that&#...If you want uncritical tory propaganda then that's what the Daily Mail is for.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35161776847768073512010-02-27T18:13:47.758+00:002010-02-27T18:13:47.758+00:00Despairing Liberal is quoting a piece of analysis ...Despairing Liberal is quoting a piece of analysis by a LSE academic (oh, so neutral) on US data where "conservative" generally means far to the right of Nigel Farage and "liberal" includes SuperMac and all his cabinet, as well as Cameron, Clegg and Blair, but would not include the left-wing of the British Liberal Democrat Party. So the conclusion he/she draws is invalid.<br />It also shows it "modernist" bias when claiming that atheism is a sign of intelligence - a clear majority of significant scientific, mathematical and engineering advances in the last thousand years have been achieved by believing Christians and Muslims (even excluding other faiths).<br />Why does a LSE academic analyse American data rather than British? Could it be that a survey that suggests the Cameroons are more intelligent than Sarah Palin can be misrepresented to suggest that LSE pseudo-intellectuals and Cleggites are more intelligent than Cameron who won an Exhibition to Oxford?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46656770036517619952010-02-27T16:53:00.379+00:002010-02-27T16:53:00.379+00:00@ tory boys
"Personally, I believe in the fr...@ tory boys<br /><br />"Personally, I believe in the freedom of the Press and it is up to the editor to decide what he wants to print in his paper."<br /><br />a) Yes you probably do believe that.<br /><br />b) No one in their right minds believes we have a free press. You choose to ignore the desires and influences of proprietors and advertisers.<br /><br />c) If you believe editors are actually independent of their paymasters you have seriously misunderstood the realities.<br /><br />But perhaps this is what you might hope for - and that is an entirely different matter.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90347410920469782182010-02-27T15:56:26.425+00:002010-02-27T15:56:26.425+00:00Possibly the DT is reflecting the fact that the To...Possibly the DT is reflecting the fact that the Tories have not been very good at communicating their policies.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234085314662011091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37785955544971655732010-02-27T15:54:46.411+00:002010-02-27T15:54:46.411+00:00The worst thing about Heffer's column this wee...The worst thing about Heffer's column this week was his criticism of the EU Parliament's response to Farage's comments on the EU President.<br /><br />Whether you like/agree with Farage or not, to describe someone as "looking like a junior bank clerk" and "having the personality of a damp rag" isn't political debate. It's just offensive - he shouldn't have said it, and he should of course apologise.<br /><br />Heffer has lost his grip on reality.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944402323068719550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61402570543604716462010-02-27T15:00:36.974+00:002010-02-27T15:00:36.974+00:00Iain, I agree with you on the Telegraph and on Hef...Iain, I agree with you on the Telegraph and on Heffer - awful and awfuller!!<br /><br />However, I'd be interested in your views on the following:<br /><br />1. There are a lot of comments suggesting Osborne is a weak link. I would agree with that - the Conservative announcements on the economy are both inconsistent and unconvincing. Do you think Osborne, or, if you like, the public perception of Osborne, is damaging the conservative election chances? Should he be replaced by Ken Clarke?<br /><br />2. A couple of major talking points on the BBC this week. Firstly, what was your opinion on the audience for Question Time at Cardiff? And secondly, what do you think of the changes made to Have Your Say, and in particular, the removal of the recommendation system, which continually produced a public view far removed from the BBC narrative?<br /><br />3. Following on from 2, what was your view on Farage's performance and treatment on QT?The Random Punterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16862478828540538403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3482039695616535342010-02-27T14:24:20.444+00:002010-02-27T14:24:20.444+00:00I agree with Heffer and I'm a Conservative vot...I agree with Heffer and I'm a Conservative voter. Whilst my MP, Jeremy Hunt wil get my vote because he's an excellent constituency MP, I dispair of the Conservative leadership. They have no policies other than political correctness. They can't lay a glove on Brown who has done more damage to Britain than Hitler. And no one in the City has time for George Osborne. Heffer is correct. Lord Tebbit is correct. Natural Conservative voters simply won't vote for Cameron. No surprise then that the Conservatives will lose the election. Quite simply, Cameron led Conservative are a waste of spaceRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12090454418304272336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25539765294269234252010-02-27T13:23:18.163+00:002010-02-27T13:23:18.163+00:00Suitably surprised...
But why couldn't the To...Suitably surprised...<br /><br />But why couldn't the Tory PPC for Chippenham face a debate with the BNP candidate Michael Simpkins?BNPELECTIONRESULTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067087270495979335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12857933897956824072010-02-27T13:20:15.627+00:002010-02-27T13:20:15.627+00:00I emailed The Telegraph editor in midweek expressi...I emailed The Telegraph editor in midweek expressing my intention to stop buying it after its latest Crash Gordon hagiographical piece by La Piddle.<br /><br />I received an anodyne two line response hoping I'd continue with the DT.<br /><br />Then this morning I see they've got the former Glenda Slagg of The Sunday People to conduct an easy interview with the self-styled Son of the Manse.<br /><br />Game over, Telegraph. No more purchasesGeorge Mainwaringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09699862500900964770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43963591578215519882010-02-27T13:15:38.992+00:002010-02-27T13:15:38.992+00:00The MSM's own stupidity is what's driving ...The MSM's own stupidity is what's driving internet growth. Why would you allow something like Heffer to foul the pages of your paper when your readers can so easily go somewhere else?<br /><br />After many years as a subscriber I dont read the printed Telegraph any more, I use their website. The result, they dont get any money from me now and I choose which bits I read and where/when to read it.<br /><br />As to Heffer, I dont see anything other than his name.JohnRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07021101596935644363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24120888851640375312010-02-27T13:05:15.608+00:002010-02-27T13:05:15.608+00:00This blogpost sounds like a "How dare the fre...This blogpost sounds like a "How dare the free press criticise the Tory party" complaint.<br /><br />Unworthy of you.Man Of Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503412573706955174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15663418835301768982010-02-27T13:04:00.741+00:002010-02-27T13:04:00.741+00:00If it's any consolation Andrew, the Guardian/O...If it's any consolation Andrew, the Guardian/Observer frequently make people in the Labour and LibDem parties flinch with their stories, which often seem to be about bashing people on the home front.<br /><br />My theory is that some journalists get bored of the party line operating on their paper and do their best to undermine it. Bolshie lot, journos.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15725201552518827012010-02-27T12:59:30.536+00:002010-02-27T12:59:30.536+00:00I hope the Telegraph will soon be covering today&#...I hope the Telegraph will soon be covering today's interesting science news that Liberals have a higher IQ!<br /><br /><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html" rel="nofollow">More here</a>...DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44111270584366948942010-02-27T12:51:47.900+00:002010-02-27T12:51:47.900+00:00"How about your thoughts on Nick Hogan being ...<i>"How about your thoughts on Nick Hogan being jailed for six months for not paying his smoking ban fine?"</i><br /><br />I applaud Mr Hogan for taking a stand on a point of principle. As a life-long non-smoker I have to say that the legislation is overly draconian IMO. As a former barman, I often worked in pubs in which good ventilation ensured a current of air <i>towards</i> the smokers so that their "output" did not have an effect in the rest of the bar.<br /><br />As to the jail sentence, Mr Hogan knew what he was doing and what the penalties where. I still applaud him for standing up for something believes in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64171010015213505402010-02-27T12:44:21.612+00:002010-02-27T12:44:21.612+00:00What do you expect? Editor Will Lewis's brothe...What do you expect? Editor Will Lewis's brother works for Brown, Andrew Porter is a mate of Damien McBride and ex-Observer Mary Riddell was hired when Brown was ahead in the polls in 2007.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54554586313731724832010-02-27T12:38:11.802+00:002010-02-27T12:38:11.802+00:00Something must be terribly wrong... I've just ...Something must be terribly wrong... I've just found myself in complete agreement with Paddy Briggs (10:59am).Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35304654976524443622010-02-27T12:36:18.766+00:002010-02-27T12:36:18.766+00:00So what? Do you think that the Telegraph's rea...So what? Do you think that the Telegraph's readers haven't the intelligence to deal with with those who express and possibly challenge the normal Tory viewpoint, and then form their own opinions?<br /><br />Personally, I believe in the freedom of the Press and it is up to the editor to decide what he wants to print in his paper. If you disagree by all means challenge the content rather than paper's right to produce contrarian views. How are you any different from a member of the Politburo trying to make sure that Pravda toed the line?<br /><br /><br />If you want to criticise the Telegraph you may want to have a go at their prying into Cameron's personal life aged 10 - but then of course that would point your hypocrisy when Labour politicians and their families are the target of similar abuses.<br /><br />Perhaps if the Tories were putting forward something other meaninglees sloagans and mantras then the Press might have something more meaningful to say?<br /><br />Do intelligent people realy get much satisfaction from reading something that doen't challenge their viewpoints?tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16416744011977286512010-02-27T12:32:58.309+00:002010-02-27T12:32:58.309+00:00http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2010/02/bac...http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2010/02/back-to-future.html<br /><br />Interested in your thoughts concerning no platform for the BNP, the above link has a you tube video concerning the 80s dubbing of Sinn Fein.<br />It's makes for interesting viewing as the NUJ which has told its members not to report on the BNP if it will show them in a good light, marched on behalf of the terrorists in the 80s.<br />Then you have Tony Benn saying" We would be living in a dictatorship, if parties didn't have the right to advocate different policies."<br />I of course will be surprised if this post is even posted. As it seems that any BNP voter and there is over a million of us. Have no rights what so ever to be heard or to be allowed an opportunity to debate.<br />Is this right ?BNPELECTIONRESULTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067087270495979335noreply@blogger.com