tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6900228788933972965..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: UKIP Should Grow UpIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41278685396159015342007-10-04T14:36:00.000+01:002007-10-04T14:36:00.000+01:00The reason I will vote UKIP is to:1: End rule by B...The reason I will vote UKIP is to:<BR/>1: End rule by Brussels<BR/>2: End the two party state(some say single party state!)<BR/><BR/>The Tories took us into the EU and Labour are signing off on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69083881697783801662007-10-03T16:21:00.000+01:002007-10-03T16:21:00.000+01:00Oh Iain, thank you everso much for your great gene...Oh Iain, thank you everso much for your great generosity including Mr Farage on your definitive list. I spoke to the fellow about it and he was so flattered by your attention. Gosh, sucks.<BR/><BR/>And you talk about growing up.<BR/><BR/>The whole list was vaguely tongue in cheek as all these lists seem to be. As such it should treated with the same approach as it was drafted, as a bit of fun.<BR/><BR/>That being said, UKIP are financially secure - though not as richj as they would like, they are picking up dissafected members at all levels from the Tories (and others) on a daily basis - though not as quickly as they would like and will be launching a whole range of policies this weekend.<BR/><BR/>Your contempt is as misplaced as any suggestion of libel.Gawain Towlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08583658895528269901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46628376130134395162007-10-03T16:09:00.000+01:002007-10-03T16:09:00.000+01:00Yes, Tapestry, I am aware of UKIP's history, possi...Yes, Tapestry, I am aware of UKIP's history, possibly more so than you are. But that does not answer my point, which is very simple for most people: those who do not vote for the Tories do not do so <I>because they do not like what the Tories are offering</I>. Nothing to do with anyone else. In other words, stop whining about how you are being betrayed by the voters who dare to go agasinst you and have a little look as to what it is that they do not like. Is that too difficult?Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799545178433498944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78460697229638375652007-10-03T14:37:00.000+01:002007-10-03T14:37:00.000+01:00If only the Conservative Party would acknowledge t...If only the Conservative Party would acknowledge that our government is now the EU, and that that situation must end, UKIP would fold immediately. However, there is absolutely no sign of that happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76735464744286828092007-10-03T14:08:00.000+01:002007-10-03T14:08:00.000+01:00The Useful Kind of Idiot Party.Helen, UKIP started...The Useful Kind of Idiot Party.<BR/><BR/>Helen, UKIP started off as a party dedicated to getting the UK out of Europe - by winning power at Westminster.<BR/><BR/>It has given up on its original objective, now backing a subsidiarity programme by allying with a pro-EU group in the European Parliament, and by acting as Conservative policy pressure group.<BR/><BR/>It's a waste of time. If you want to change the Conservatives, you will achieve that by campaigning from within the party, not from without.<BR/><BR/>The only person who will gain from every UKIP vote will be Gordon Brown and his attempt to ram Britain into the Constitution without a referendum. The Useful Kind of Idiot Party should be ashamed of itself.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87838245503398464952007-10-03T12:09:00.000+01:002007-10-03T12:09:00.000+01:00Speaking of party funding, when the Tories get bac...Speaking of party funding, when the Tories get back in, could they pass a law that makes the management of the Liebour party personally liable for its £20 million debts? I want to see that evil thieving maggot Brown personally ruined financially, like he has ruined my parents, the evil snot-eating subhuman piece of scum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7494776256119378892007-10-03T10:59:00.000+01:002007-10-03T10:59:00.000+01:00UKIP's imminent collapse has been predicted for ma...UKIP's imminent collapse has been predicted for many years. Hasn't happened yet. <BR/><BR/>However, the main point is the one Devil's Kitchen was making in personal terms when he explained why he did not support the Conservatives. You can widen that: people vote UKIP or some other party or not vote at all <I>because they do not want to vote for the Conservatives</I>. It's as simple as that. And they do not want to vote Conservative <I>because they do not like what the Conservative Party is saying or not saying</I>. If that results in the Conservative losing another election, so be it. The problem lies with the Conservatives. The idea that nobody must try to benefit from their own silliness is preposterous.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799545178433498944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9405868874349745952007-10-03T10:29:00.000+01:002007-10-03T10:29:00.000+01:00Yeah there's a market for UKIP and it's about 1.5%...Yeah there's a market for UKIP and it's about 1.5% of the electorate if they're lucky.<BR/><BR/>They only started to talk about other policies because they're falling on their faces making any inroads in elections. Since then they can't even put up candidates where they want them and pretend winning unopposed seats on parish councils are progress.<BR/><BR/>UKIP's had its day. It might get the odd success at the European elections but who's going to vote for them now when their MEPs either embezzle funds, quit or vote for EU proposals?<BR/><BR/>It's only the swivel eyed loons, the foul mouthed attention seekers and the deluded who bother with UKIP now. I can't understand how a party with so little pull gets so much coverage. Forget about them and stick to getting rid of Brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56124466040598064652007-10-03T07:12:00.000+01:002007-10-03T07:12:00.000+01:00I think it's funny the way the tories squeal when ...I think it's funny the way the tories squeal when they can' get their snouts in the trough.<BR/><BR/>UKIP exist because there's a market for them.End of argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91311856684668345102007-10-03T06:46:00.000+01:002007-10-03T06:46:00.000+01:00David CameronCharismatic and unfailingly ebullient...<B>David Cameron</B><BR/><I>Charismatic and unfailingly ebullient, Cameron was seen as the man to take the Tories onto the next stage. Instead, he’s presided over a Party that has leaked members, is kept afloat by dodgy loans and has failed in its stated aim to attract large numbers of LibDems disaffected by Ming’s soft approach to hard core issues.</I><BR/><BR/>And all true. But that said, UKIP has gone sideways in the past year, but having one party standing up against the single-state potential that the extension to state funding will assist is a good thing isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30717178905729768512007-10-03T06:03:00.000+01:002007-10-03T06:03:00.000+01:00UKIP is a cult. cults put great effort into point...UKIP is a cult. cults put great effort into pointing out the wrongheadedness of outsiders in order to keep their members inside the box. it is a necessary defence so that their members don't observe the wrongheadedness in their own heads, or the heads of their own leaders.<BR/><BR/>People who believe in a cause don't need to demolish the position of others. They emphasise the rightness of their beliefs. UKIP are anti-everyone, and tear each other apart in the process.<BR/><BR/>Cameron is Britain's only chance of survival. UKIP are a dangerous waste of time - useful idiots. I should know. I used to be one of them - in 2000-2001. At that tme the best the Conservatives could offer was 'keep the Pound for one parliament'. Now we have a chance of a referendum to stop the Constitution. UKIP are pissing in the wind, Gordon Brown's mates.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3140609531697814842007-10-03T02:41:00.000+01:002007-10-03T02:41:00.000+01:00Correction: the trick didn't pay a large fee; he ...Correction: the trick didn't pay a large fee; he <I>commanded</I> a large fee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40262864352296383992007-10-03T02:38:00.000+01:002007-10-03T02:38:00.000+01:00Jens Winton - Mark Oaten did not have an "affair" ...Jens Winton - Mark Oaten did not have an "affair" with a prostitute.<BR/><BR/>He engaged the services of a male prostitute, for cash, which involved a service which was perverted by anyone's judgement (except those who practice it). It wasn't an "affair". It was a series of financial transactions for a service the for which the trick was able to pay a large fee. This wasn't a discount job.<BR/><BR/>Let us stop degrading our language and eliding meaning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46532665063652600132007-10-03T01:40:00.000+01:002007-10-03T01:40:00.000+01:00Anyone know which bar Iain is propping up with a s...Anyone know which bar Iain is propping up with a soft drink, and which bar is propping up Guido with the hard stuff?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58910698301707158322007-10-03T01:03:00.000+01:002007-10-03T01:03:00.000+01:00In the near future, when UKIP inevitably folds, we...<I>In the near future, when UKIP inevitably folds, we could do with good chaps like you back in the Conservative Party - <I>working with us rather than against us.</I><BR/><BR/><B>Deep down, all of you UKIP folks know that this is where you belong, don't you?</B></I><BR/><BR/>No, I don't belong with the Tories. I am a libertarian: I am an economic liberal but – unlike the Tories – I am also a social liberal.<BR/><BR/>I am – unlike the Tories – an EUnihilist.<BR/><BR/>My link further up lays out the differences between UKIP and the Tories and these differences are <I>fundamental</I>.<BR/><BR/>But the big point is that none of the Big Three are interested in making a smaller state; none of them are prepared to acknowledge that every time that politicians try to "fix" things, they inevitably stuff them up.<BR/><BR/>I am watching IDS's speech about his solutions for the "broken society"; he warns us that he will not go through all of them because "there are 192 of them".<BR/><BR/>No, get stuffed. You politicos are unable to fix anything; politics moves too slowly to react.<BR/><BR/>DKDevil's Kitchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832949569501846730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64750797296988864952007-10-03T00:30:00.000+01:002007-10-03T00:30:00.000+01:00Is Jens Winton the brother of Dale? I think we sho...Is Jens Winton the brother of Dale? I think we should be told!Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54715191613845789692007-10-03T00:21:00.000+01:002007-10-03T00:21:00.000+01:00I'll rejoin the Tories when they have policies I b...I'll rejoin the Tories when they have policies I believe in, and a leader worth voting for. In the meantime, I'm happy in the 'Reclaim the Tories/Anyone But Cameron' camp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65128343655457723822007-10-03T00:01:00.000+01:002007-10-03T00:01:00.000+01:00Jens:I may not agree with all of your political vi...Jens:<BR/><BR/>I may not agree with all of your political views but I'm impressed by your ability to take lots of flak with good grace.<BR/><BR/>You're obviously a good egg.<BR/><BR/>In the near future, when UKIP inevitably folds, we could do with good chaps like you back in the Conservative Party - <I>working with us rather than against us.</I><BR/><BR/><B>Deep down, all of you UKIP folks know that this is where you belong, don't you?</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87714095200743878412007-10-02T23:53:00.000+01:002007-10-02T23:53:00.000+01:00I am not sure it is wise of you to invoke Hitler.O...I am not sure it is wise of you to invoke Hitler.<BR/><BR/>Or do you wish to emulate the Nazis?pxcentrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11395222949204334549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14165194820221014112007-10-02T23:42:00.000+01:002007-10-02T23:42:00.000+01:00We are under no illusions that we face a battle fo...We are under no illusions that we face a battle for hearts and minds. Our road ahead is hard, stony and lonely. But what is the alternative? A life of indifference and samey politics from a bland confectionary of the Big Three parties?<BR/><BR/>So a poster here finds hilarity at my most recent by-election results. Me? Upset? Of course I would have like to have done better. But then this was never going to be easy. Are we in an environment pre-disposed to our vision? Will the sub-prime crisis in America be remembered for a trigger of future woe in Britain? Will our credit markets gum up and cause a collapse in our housing markets and create untold misery? Recession even? Will we be able to vainly ignore EU-creep to bail out less-developed EU members in a financial crisis?<BR/><BR/>Must I point out that in 1928, Hitler won just 2.6% of the vote, yet was Chancellor five years later? That his vision remained pretty much unchanged? That the times changed instead? Is it wrong to cite such an example? Or better to see if it transfers to now and the future? Yes I got beaten by the NF on my 3.35% of the votes cast. And yes the election was won by the LibDems who trail badly nationally. But who knows what the future holds. Watch this space...Jens Wintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585705947805924847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81485668770241035572007-10-02T23:18:00.000+01:002007-10-02T23:18:00.000+01:00Oh what joy seeing the useless and ludicrous New L...Oh what joy seeing the useless and ludicrous New Labour timeserver Bob Ainsworth being ripped apart by Paxman on Newsnight tonight.<BR/><BR/>The feeble Ainsworth must be furious with his master Brown for leaving him so exposed over this highly cynical spin on so-called troop withdrawals.<BR/><BR/>It was all done to try to upstage the Tories of course but Newsnight have discovered that 500 of the 1,000 supposedly being "withdrawn before Xmas" are already home or on their way, and the other 500 haven't even been sent to Iraq and are still in Germany.<BR/><BR/>Brown's cynical little stunt is blowing up in his face and could end up destroying him.<BR/><BR/>This one's got legs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10754351250302319642007-10-02T22:57:00.000+01:002007-10-02T22:57:00.000+01:00Who has upset Jens Winton then?Listen to him and y...Who has upset Jens Winton then?<BR/><BR/>Listen to him and you would think that UKIP are a threat.<BR/><BR/>But lets look at Jens own election result when he stood in a by-election on 13th September 2007:-<BR/><BR/>Liberal Democrat ... 986 (Elected)<BR/>Labour Party Candidate ... 901 <BR/>Conservative ... 536 <BR/>National Front ... 95 <BR/>UKIP ... 89 <BR/>Green Party Candidate ... 52 <BR/><BR/>Wow a massive 89 votes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45014638505032145422007-10-02T22:25:00.000+01:002007-10-02T22:25:00.000+01:00Vote UKIP _ get Brown.'Nuff said!Vote UKIP _ get Brown.<BR/><BR/>'Nuff said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52872006404739638012007-10-02T22:19:00.000+01:002007-10-02T22:19:00.000+01:00UKIP are dead and buried this week following a hig...UKIP are dead and buried this week following a highly succssful Tory fightback which will just get better with Cameron's speech tomorrow. Sorry UKIP but you just ain't needed anymore.<BR/><BR/>That doesn't apply to the BNP however, who will no doubt continue to take increasing numbers of votes from disenchanted Labour supporters and may even cost some Labour MP's their jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82904877588240590472007-10-02T22:15:00.000+01:002007-10-02T22:15:00.000+01:00Jens,Okay - so let's accept that UKIP is not a sin...Jens,<BR/><BR/>Okay - so let's accept that UKIP is not a single issue party.<BR/><BR/>But - I suspect that is how it is perceived by most prospective voters out there, people who don't spend their time reading political blogs or engaging in debates like this.<BR/><BR/>How do you overcome this obstacle?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com