tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6554290347291507152..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Why Did the BBC Not Name the Shamed Labour MP?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81718488262519625432007-10-29T19:26:00.000+00:002007-10-29T19:26:00.000+00:00The BBC has now included an apologetic-sounding ex...The BBC has now included an apologetic-sounding explanation for the omission--and Thornberry's name now appears in the story. Just keep filling in the gaps out there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6130148681660056802007-10-29T07:55:00.000+00:002007-10-29T07:55:00.000+00:00I am glad the BBC folks have time to spend so much...I am glad the BBC folks have time to spend so much time updating Facebook..So they are not too overworked Thommo ?<BR/><BR/>Great use of the licence fee..I shall go onto face book and check out a few and monitor the hours they are being used ..Harriet Hamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14081815172915802675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81127428409090247632007-10-28T22:29:00.000+00:002007-10-28T22:29:00.000+00:00Iain, your posts get nuttier by the day. Emily Tho...Iain, your posts get nuttier by the day. Emily Thornberry's name is in big letters on the front, but in Section 11 it clearly says:<BR/><BR/><I>"We do not therefore uphold Councillor Hitchins’ complaint."</I><BR/><BR/>So whatever the BBC report might have said, the committee didn't reprimand the MP. If you are going to do posts like this, you should at least try to understand the material you are presenting.Lobster Blogsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187795553504972758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8088923506103952512007-10-28T18:03:00.000+00:002007-10-28T18:03:00.000+00:00The term Liberal, as used by socialists, is the be...The term Liberal, as used by socialists, is the best example of socialistic wordplay in action.<BR/><BR/>They take a description of people that are popular, and mould the description to their own likeness - killing off the original term and description. <BR/><BR/>Ever wondered why the BBC insists on calling all the extremists parties like the BNP right wing, when they are just racist socialists? Its the BBC socialist wordplay game again! <BR/><BR/>A classic liberal is also known as a Libertarian - ask anyone in the BBC to describe one of those and you'll get the famous Dave quote, a Tory with no kids!<BR/><BR/>On your other issue, Facebook is very interesting in that the BBC have over 14k members - more than any other company in the world. <BR/><BR/>Any real business knows that Facebook is not the place to do business - and, judging from the latest membership figures for Facebook, even the kids are getting fed up with it. <BR/><BR/>Roll on the next bandwagon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76721266249640950592007-10-28T12:06:00.000+00:002007-10-28T12:06:00.000+00:00OK Iain, so what did Horrocks have to say for hims...OK Iain, so what did Horrocks have to say for himself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35641345911579503902007-10-28T09:49:00.000+00:002007-10-28T09:49:00.000+00:00anonymous [3.45 PM] You're right, of course. It's ...anonymous [3.45 PM] You're right, of course. It's just laziness. <BR/><BR/>There are too many journos in the BBC (and elsewhere, e.g. on the Independent) who think the job is about re-packaging press releases. They lack the nagging curiousity and appetite for hard work which are the hallmarks of the true journalist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83565801281757900052007-10-27T20:44:00.000+01:002007-10-27T20:44:00.000+01:00Firstly, this whole debate is a mess.The B.B.C. ar...Firstly, this whole debate is a mess.<BR/><BR/>The B.B.C. are staffed by liberals so they must support Gordon Brown. However, Brown and Blair’s New Labour have passed some of the most illiberal measures ever known in this country. They aren’t liberals.<BR/><BR/>B.B.C. = liberal. Consequently, we would expect the B.B.C.’s political correspondent, Nick Robinson, to be a former member of the Liberal Democrats. No, actually he is a former senior member of the Young Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>Are you getting confused yet? <BR/><BR/>This has all got a little difficult but one thing is clear, I am afraid. Iain Dale is a competitor to the B.B.C. and we never like our competitors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69357440953014172872007-10-27T20:41:00.000+01:002007-10-27T20:41:00.000+01:00Most people I know don't put any political opinion...Most people I know don't put any political opinion down on Facebook, and not all BBC staff on Facebook will join the network; lots of people avoid work related networks in case they should get into trouble. <BR/><BR/>This whole argument of course ignores the thousands of BBC staff who are not on Facebook at all. <BR/><BR/>Most people who put 'Moderate' (a lot) may well be Cameron's Conservatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24502046518422635512007-10-27T18:24:00.000+01:002007-10-27T18:24:00.000+01:00Had she been a Tory the Beeb would have published ...Had she been a Tory the Beeb would have published a photo, (taken from a low angle, to make her look fascist) and ten-year-old footage of her mouthing the words to Jerusalem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82073579412861989542007-10-27T17:02:00.000+01:002007-10-27T17:02:00.000+01:00drunken tory - that's not really true, it was the ...drunken tory - that's not really true, it was the lead story on yesterday's newsnight!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18239310875642411932007-10-27T16:55:00.000+01:002007-10-27T16:55:00.000+01:00Friday Night's Newsnight on BBC2 did a fair piece ...Friday Night's Newsnight on BBC2 did a fair piece on Lord Hoyle's cash for access, Crick made a perceptive comment about Hoyle's mediocrity, and did not mention the Tory MP's role in giving the lobbyist a pass in the first place.<BR/><BR/>So if we are going to knock the Beeb, let's be fair about it.<BR/><BR/>The judgement on Thornberry seems odd in the extreme - but I want to know why MPs can issue passes to anyone, it seems, including lobbyists?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79138468246849982652007-10-27T15:45:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:45:00.000+01:00The problem here is not one of BBC bias but of BBC...The problem here is not one of BBC bias but of BBC laziness.<BR/><BR/>The Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards dealing with Emily Thornberry was published in June 2006. This is the report to which Iain has provided a link. The report covered by the BBC, however, is the Commissioner's Annual Report for 2006-07, which has just been published. The report summarises the cases dealt with by the Commissioner over the past year, but it does not name any of the MPs involved. It is this report that the BBC has picked up and covered a case that is more than a year old - and not bothered to check the original report to discover the name of the MP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89720524155300704562007-10-27T15:41:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:41:00.000+01:00Here's the relevant bit from the Annual report (wh...Here's the relevant bit from the Annual report (which the BBC are referring to):<BR/><BR/>"3.16 The fifth of the ten reports made to the Committee in 2006-07 concerned a complaint<BR/>that a Member had, without permission, altered an electronic copy of an Electoral<BR/>Commission news release by inserting a quotation from herself before forwarding it to the<BR/>news media in a form which suggested that it remained an official Commission release."<BR/><BR/>So she's only referred to as 'a Member'. From this report alone the BBC couldn't name her. I think that's fair enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71065490082246004092007-10-27T15:38:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:38:00.000+01:00Of course they are used to doing this sort of thin...Of course they are used to doing this sort of thing.<BR/>A certain dossier springs to mind as another example of NuLabor politicians being creative!Barnacle Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17257546424880537005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75269225141410579212007-10-27T15:32:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:32:00.000+01:00Iain, I take your point that there is a specific r...Iain, I take your point that there is a specific report into her conduct. But the BBC aren't referring to that report.<BR/><BR/>The BBC are reporting on the Standards Commissioners annual report to Parliament (published 24/10). In THAT report she isn't named, there's just a description of the case.<BR/><BR/>So from the annual report alone you'd know the details but not her name. That's why the BBC couldn't name her. Maybe the BBC should have dug further but, as I say, based on the annual report alone, they're accurate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71672087675973269032007-10-27T15:16:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:16:00.000+01:00Mitch, what part of "her name is in bold type on t...Mitch, what part of "her name is in bold type on the cover" is unclear? If you read the report you will have seen it for yourself. Follow the link in the main post.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48597908072677276542007-10-27T15:13:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:13:00.000+01:00I had a quick look at the report yesterday and I d...I had a quick look at the report yesterday and I don't think she was named in that either (I could be wrong - does anyone know?). If she WASN'T named then the BBC were right to follow that lead. If she WAS named then they've behaved disgracefully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70318918984288116012007-10-27T15:11:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:11:00.000+01:00Understand that the BBC is not right or left wing ...Understand that the BBC is not right or left wing it is FASCIST, and all becomes very clear indeed.<BR/><BR/>Fascists do not all dress in Nazi uniforms or ride around in tanks.<BR/><BR/>They work and run the BBC, and most are so brainwashed they don't even know they are fascists working for a sinister fascist organization bent on world domination.<BR/><BR/>The BBC believes it is in the center. Which it is. <BR/><BR/>Its just that its center in a cold place, where far right and far left politics meet. Which is the best definition of Fascism I know.<BR/><BR/>Real fascism from the dark side about as far away from ordinary people as it is possible to get.<BR/><BR/>Many times in life you will note that, "what you thought was your best friend turns out to be your worst enemy." The British people are just starting I hope to see the BBC for what it always was.<BR/><BR/>The internet for the first time in our lives now shows us what a rather clever effort in State propaganda the BBC has always been.<BR/><BR/>But the BBC should be proclaimed for the almost infinite amount of TRUTH it does NOT tell, rather then the almost infinite amount of outright lies it does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87863424088762784582007-10-27T15:05:00.000+01:002007-10-27T15:05:00.000+01:0080% of the beeb describe themselves as liberal on ...80% of the beeb describe themselves as liberal on Facebook? Gives me a fuzzy warm glow even if it doesn't you. Maybe I should try for a job there...<BR/><BR/>Or is this not a good time perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49915079819429005222007-10-27T14:38:00.000+01:002007-10-27T14:38:00.000+01:00The official Report makes for interesting reading....The official Report makes for interesting reading. Apparently Ms Thornberry's 'office' regarded the action of inserting items into others' press releases, and then forwarding them on to the local papers for publication under the guise of the original authors, as an acceptable practice. That indicates this has happened before. Of course the electorate is entitled to know when and how many other instances have arisen. <BR/><BR/>She says <I>"“MPs regularly receive press releases from organisations to alter and forward to local press as they see fit. This system has never posed a problem in the past. However, I have now changed the procedures in my office to prevent any future complaints or misunderstandings.”</I> She obviously is saying that she regards all press releases as 'alterable'.<BR/><BR/>This seems to have been accepted without demur as fact by the (examining) House of Commons Standards and Privileges Committee! Where do we go from here? So it's been acceptable to do so up to now, has it?<BR/><BR/>Certainly the Committee has not issued an instruction that this must not happen, so no doubt the practice will continue. <BR/><BR/>Beware all Press Releases emanating from your MP. They may have been 'altered'.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69370748462876707792007-10-27T14:11:00.000+01:002007-10-27T14:11:00.000+01:00Iain The BBC are only interested if its a Tory, If...Iain <BR/><BR/>The BBC are only interested if its a Tory, If its Labour thats OK.<BR/><BR/>How do the BBC get away with it. Where are the governers or what ever they are called now. No one checks the BBC. They are a law unto themselves and are totaly out of control.Johnny Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900659617233793880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67783256310615570592007-10-27T13:58:00.000+01:002007-10-27T13:58:00.000+01:00Being "liberal" (where liberalism is defined as en...Being "liberal" (where liberalism is defined as encouraging plurality) is precisely what the BBC is against. If the BBC believed in a free market there would be no point in having a licence fee. When advocates of the political party that believes in more power for the State describe themselves as being "liberal" it is pure "New Speak".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59264073366277197122007-10-27T13:20:00.000+01:002007-10-27T13:20:00.000+01:00What I don't understand is how this MP's actions d...What I don't understand is how this MP's actions did not constitute a breach of the code of conduct. <BR/>You get hold of a press release written by a body such as the Electoral Commission, which is supposedly independent of MPs. You insert a (presumably favourable) quote from yourself, and send it to the media as if it come from the Electoral Commission. That's misreprentation, isn't it ? And that's not a breach of the code of conduct ? Good God, what is, then ?AloneManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17435048420998106381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27345731848700935392007-10-27T12:59:00.000+01:002007-10-27T12:59:00.000+01:00Ned is right, we need a slash and burn policy to ...Ned is right, we need a slash and burn policy to rid England of the enemy within. find out where these<BR/>lefties earn a crust and then privatize it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1544178287950342982007-10-27T12:57:00.000+01:002007-10-27T12:57:00.000+01:00Since the BBC & indeed civil service generally see...Since the BBC & indeed civil service generally seem to put most of their job ads into the Guardian it is hardly surpring if the counry is run by Guardianistas (or indeed that they put all their job ads into the Guardian). Anybody wishing to reform our government should certainly look at that.<BR/><BR/>Might hurt the paper which, unlike all the rest of the press seems devoid of ads from B&Q. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.com