tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6409814878856172124..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: David Cameron: Give Another Lead!Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46580373101846871362009-05-18T23:02:00.000+01:002009-05-18T23:02:00.000+01:00I must be going mad. Thought I left a comment on t...I must be going mad. Thought I left a comment on this thread this afternoon...<br /><br />Nurse!Jon Lishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272058035800593800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27228715125474999992009-05-18T22:31:00.000+01:002009-05-18T22:31:00.000+01:00Incidentally, why are all these Labour MPs and adv...Incidentally, why are all these Labour MPs and advisers (not to mention prime ministers) so damned fat? It hardly sets a good example to the electorate, does it. Junior minister Tom Watson is a veritable Billy Bunter and as for Nick Brown... http://bit.ly/bunterbrown...oh hang on, he claimed £18000 over 4 years 'in unreceipted expenses' just for food. What?!<br /><br />Can we have a general election now, please? Really, it's the only option.Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425510089067862311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65375149755350162032009-05-18T22:29:00.000+01:002009-05-18T22:29:00.000+01:00Brown/Balls/Martin-what a team!Brown/Balls/Martin-what a team!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9567729661110166902009-05-18T22:28:00.000+01:002009-05-18T22:28:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425510089067862311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48125482656355978432009-05-18T22:17:00.000+01:002009-05-18T22:17:00.000+01:00I agree with all those who think that DD should ke...I agree with all those who think that DD should keep his mouth shut on this. The damage to parliament and MPs can't be fixed this side of a general election. <br /><br />In the meantime allow Martin to dig himself in deeper. People will see him as the dinosaur trade unionist that he is, will assume that Chief Prevaricator Brown approves of his inaction and will send them to the furthest reaches of hell together.<br /><br />I say that as a 'none of the above' supporter who hopes that radical reform - that benefits ordinary people rather than game playing politicos and the commentariat - will come out of this shit storm.<br /><br />www.mindworksblog.comAndrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425510089067862311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20978490316493532052009-05-18T21:10:00.000+01:002009-05-18T21:10:00.000+01:00The scottish triumvirate of Brown, Darling and Mar...The scottish triumvirate of Brown, Darling and Martin have done more for the cause of an independant Scotland, then all the considerable efforts of the SNP over the years.Dave Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10036938918804443202009-05-18T20:07:00.000+01:002009-05-18T20:07:00.000+01:00"He'd have virtually the whole country with him......"He'd have virtually the whole country with him..."<br /><br />No. The whole country do not care about the Speaker, it is truly a sign that those inside the bubble do not get it. <br /><br />The whole country cares about the Morelys, the Chaytors, the Chapmans, the Mackay and Kirkbrides, the Hazlehursts, the Dorrieses, the Hopes, the Smiths, the Khans and the rest. The country is up in arms about the expenses scandal and look what happens. Thieving Ben Chapman is ignored because MPs try to blame a scapegoat rather than themselves.<br /><br />Cameron should make sure his own house is in order before 1) trying to take the highground with the Speaker and 2) calling for a General Election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90664977748466624982009-05-18T19:43:00.000+01:002009-05-18T19:43:00.000+01:00So many damn conventions and so excuses not to do ...So many damn conventions and so excuses not to do anything. Labour(Scottish dominated and perfectly happy to be openly anti English for 12 years) have never shown any respect for convention. They think its all an English plot. The Tories have used "convention" as a perma excuse for remainng mute all that time. God , how pathetic they are.<br /><br />This could easily develope into an English/Scottish thing which would be no bad thing in which case we will see Cameron changing course to protect Scotland and damn England.<br /><br />Totally sick of the "United" Kingdom anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57728819558453824072009-05-18T19:11:00.000+01:002009-05-18T19:11:00.000+01:00>> Ricardo's Ghost said...
The Speaker d...>> Ricardo's Ghost said...<br />The Speaker does not serve at the pleasure of the Opposition or the Government frontbenches. <<<br /><br />When Parliamentary rules prevent any substantive motion on the position of the Speaker being introduced by anyone other than the Government, then the Speaker does indeed serve at the pleasure of the Government.<br /><br />Unless you are suggesting that he would win a free vote of confidence ?<br /><br />And if that is the case, why is it not being allowed ?Nigelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5594552464013526462009-05-18T18:12:00.000+01:002009-05-18T18:12:00.000+01:00The 1st thing that should happen is that the Scott...The 1st thing that should happen is that the Scottish Conservative Party announce that there were be a Candidate in Glasgow North East at the General Election. I suggest Annabelle Goldie.<br />This will not involve breaking any rules. It is a convention observed only by our Party. Speaker Lloyd and Speaker Wetherall both faced Labour and Liberal opponents. It also has a get out in that DC can claim the Scottish Party is an autominous organisation and is free to make its own decisions.<br />Such an action by the Scottish Party would signify that the present holder of the office is not fit for purpose.Ian Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08171885163167923656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42110146683058554142009-05-18T18:11:00.000+01:002009-05-18T18:11:00.000+01:00Mr Cameron would have virtually the whole of Engla...Mr Cameron would have virtually the whole of England with him if he proposed giving us a fair deal via devolution. But he doesn't bother, simply goes on about respecting the Scots and beggar the rest of us. He won't act.Marianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11473841905706576702009-05-18T18:08:00.000+01:002009-05-18T18:08:00.000+01:00The next so called "lead" will need some real acti...The next so called "lead" will need some real action attached.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18156500648852530382009-05-18T18:02:00.000+01:002009-05-18T18:02:00.000+01:00If only he hadn't tried the wisteria scam.If only he hadn't tried the wisteria scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11605865905905563172009-05-18T18:00:00.000+01:002009-05-18T18:00:00.000+01:00What price a spine?What price a spine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77047563645881813142009-05-18T17:56:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:56:00.000+01:00I have just written to David, politely suggesting ...I have just written to David, politely suggesting Conservative members of parliament consider resigning on mass. That would be a nuclear option but, give the people the general election we need.<br /><br />Alternatively, ten Conservatives at a time could resign and stand again on principle repeating the process until the bankrupt Labour party falls on its sword.The Purplelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824474829595685623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30415664596326689382009-05-18T17:48:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:48:00.000+01:00What an amateurish suggestion. Low politics of the...What an amateurish suggestion. Low politics of the worst sort. It's no wonder David Davies never got close to winning the leadership with you has his chief of staff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-354213311503292802009-05-18T17:47:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:47:00.000+01:00Robinson has reported on his blog that the Speaker...Robinson has reported on his blog that the Speaker had a meeting with Gordon Brown yesterday. If this is true, surely it should be news, and earth-shattering news at that. <br /><br />I cannot for the life of me see what the constitutional justification would be for such a meeting to take place outside parliamentary procedure.<br /><br />Anyone know how to FOI the minutes?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24760263251787874072009-05-18T17:39:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:39:00.000+01:00No, he would have the whole country with him if he...No, he would have the whole country with him if he put down a motion of no confidence in the government.<br /><br />The Speaker might be a berk, but he is NOT what people really care about now.Barcelona Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41788642618604173962009-05-18T17:35:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:35:00.000+01:00The speaker should go but once again I agree with ...The speaker should go but once again I agree with Ricardo's Ghost. This is a job for the back benchers, for the independant parliment.Siberian Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11703862698309520477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20120263658061435802009-05-18T17:33:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:33:00.000+01:00Dave should realise that his duty is to the countr...Dave should realise that his duty is to the country not clubhouse rules.<br /><br />Getting a new Speaker is essential as just the first step to bringing back confidence in the system.<br /><br />The sight of Martin hiding behind procedures which even MPs themselves cannot understand will only have exacerbated the public cynicism about parliament.<br /><br />Dave should show where he stands - and if necessary in tandem with Clegg.Weygandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11359751090279735138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75611910544855413332009-05-18T17:30:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:30:00.000+01:00It is not constitutionally appropriate for the lea...It is not constitutionally appropriate for the leader of the opposition and prospective head of the executive to call for the resignation of the head of the legislature.<br /><br />However a nod and wink and most Conservative backbench MPs signing the resignation motion would be equivalent.<br /><br />And of course Brown is standing by his fellow Scot who is also doing so well...JoeFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426110406226256686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77194550286836253482009-05-18T17:26:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:26:00.000+01:00Cameron and Clegg should work together on this one...Cameron and Clegg should work together on this one. If there cannot be a motion of no confidence in the Speaker then its time to collapse this mess and reconstitute parliament.<br /><br />They should agree that both parties will withdraw completely from Parliament- just walk out and not return to the chamber until after an election. If Labour want to continue in Parliament they will have a free hand - but that's the reality of their majority anyway. The real position will be that the Government must collapse. It will have lost all legitimacy and will appear as a broken husk of a dictatorship - a group of crooks hanging on to the bitter end to wring the maximum in pay and expenses from the system before the electorate dismiss them. The opposition can harang them from the sidelines as refusing to give the people the vote - disenfranchising the electorate and ignoring their calls to go.Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57571295549164146802009-05-18T17:25:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:25:00.000+01:00Nick Robinson just said on R4 - "It's a question o...Nick Robinson just said on R4 - "It's a question of when, not if [The Speaker goes] "Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02237136273974334759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33952463696250831692009-05-18T17:22:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:22:00.000+01:00The Speaker should go, clearly.
However, he is be...The Speaker should go, clearly.<br /><br />However, he is being set up by MPs of all political colours as the scapegoat. He's an easy way out for the troughers to blame.<br /><br />Cameron, Clegg et al should sit and wait.<br /><br />Softly, softly catchee monkey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60979898020596170402009-05-18T17:19:00.000+01:002009-05-18T17:19:00.000+01:0023rd is a waste of time. The scum will be off livi...23rd is a waste of time. The scum will be off living it up at race meetings, casinos, country retreats etc.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14592492008688804723noreply@blogger.com