tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6394764181309256524..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: An Institutionally Incompetent Police ForceIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34252238226227801252010-02-24T06:17:57.224+00:002010-02-24T06:17:57.224+00:00A man puts an excellent example of honesty.
Heads...A man puts an excellent example of honesty.<br /><br />Heads of to him !<br /><br />:)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.centennialcollege.ca/policefoundations" rel="nofollow">police foundations</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01193462144397871275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76020560823920639522008-07-11T09:43:00.000+01:002008-07-11T09:43:00.000+01:00Anonymous said... "He was dead at the scene."Serve...<B>Anonymous said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"He was dead at the scene."<BR/><BR/>Serves him right. Utterly outrageous that he should dislocate the routines of our gallant public servants when they could have been munching donuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92045582272256047072008-07-10T23:15:00.000+01:002008-07-10T23:15:00.000+01:00Got rammed in the back of my car in the middle lan...<I>Got rammed in the back of my car in the middle lane on the motorway last week by a foreign juggernaut - driver hadn't seen me and pulled out as I was passing him in the middle lane. Driver claimed it was my fault! Dialled 999, police not sent because 'no one was injured'.</I><BR/><BR/>Obviously it would have been nice if you could have got the police to charge him with careless driving, but unless you had independent witnesses there is no way that the police would have taken any action.<BR/><BR/>I presume that no-one else stopped, apart from the other driver. Any passengers in your car aren't considered to be 'independent' witnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40270261538825723542008-07-10T14:34:00.000+01:002008-07-10T14:34:00.000+01:00" ...Driver claimed it was my fault! Dialled 999, ..." ...Driver claimed it was my fault! Dialled 999, police not sent because 'no one was injured'."<BR/><BR/>The police don't normally attend damage-only accidents. In fact they aren't even obliged to record details of damage-only accidents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2516093293816184082008-07-10T11:58:00.000+01:002008-07-10T11:58:00.000+01:00Unsworth said... - Have you actually read the Repo...Unsworth said... <BR/>- Have you actually read the Reports? I quote: "The inquest heard Jordon was under the water for between 10 and 30 minutes before he was hauled out. <BR/>An air ambulance took him to the Royal Preston hospital where he later died."<BR/><BR/>That report is misleading. He was dead at the scene. He was PRONOUNCED dead at the hospital.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18862597211321448402008-07-09T21:58:00.000+01:002008-07-09T21:58:00.000+01:00@ Anonymous July 09, 2008 4:49 PMThe PC obviously ...@ Anonymous July 09, 2008 4:49 PM<BR/><BR/><I>The PC obviously felt that he ought to demonstrate to the PCSOs how heroic he was.</I><BR/><BR/>That's a possibility - after all there are far too many Walts amongst the ranks of the police and PCSOs. However you are making the assumption that because the child 'hadn't been seen for an hour' he had been under water for that entire time. And this despite no one knowing exactly where the child was. Now that's an even better deduction Sherlock!<BR/><BR/>Have you actually read the Reports? I quote: <I>"The inquest heard Jordon was under the water for between 10 and 30 minutes before he was hauled out.<BR/><BR/>An air ambulance took him to the Royal Preston hospital where he later died."</I><BR/><BR/>The police sergeant, who arrived after the PCSOs stood around doing nothing, got into the lake, found the boy who was still alive at that point, hauled him out and started an attempt to resuscitate him. At least he showed some courage and humanity. <BR/><BR/>Presumably if you were faced with that situation you'd have just waited for the morgue ambulance to roll up - if that.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41317549293422372832008-07-09T21:24:00.000+01:002008-07-09T21:24:00.000+01:00Depending on whether you take in the water through...Depending on whether you take in the water through your nose or your mouth, you can be revived a considerable time after 'drowning'.<BR/><BR/>The police are a disgrace, bar one or two exemplary individual efforts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11493568172043506452008-07-09T18:04:00.000+01:002008-07-09T18:04:00.000+01:00Trumpeter Langfreid said: My daughter found her re...Trumpeter Langfreid said: <EM>My daughter found her retro car being trashed by a young drunkard. He caused £800's worth of damage. By luck, two police officers were on the scene. The drunkard took a swipe at one of them.<BR/><BR/>Result? Prosecution for criminal damage? Prosecution for assault on a police officer?<BR/><BR/>Nope: Let off with a caution because 'It is a first offence and we want to keep this young man out of the criminal justice system.'<BR/><BR/>The police officer who broke the news to my daughter was squirming with embarassment.</EM><BR/><BR/>Interesting, but irrelevant.<BR/>The police don't decide on who gets charged and who doesn't.<BR/>The CPS do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72761274485289794322008-07-09T17:11:00.000+01:002008-07-09T17:11:00.000+01:00Well, said Unsworth. Plus, I would have thought th...Well, said Unsworth. Plus, I would have thought that humanity alone would have made any decent and reasonable person have a go at finding the boy - however slim his chances might have seemed. Obviously health and safety comes before common sense and soul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13941069516012929012008-07-09T16:49:00.000+01:002008-07-09T16:49:00.000+01:00Unsworth said... @ Anonymous July 08, 2008 6:48 PM...Unsworth said... <BR/><I>@ Anonymous July 08, 2008 6:48 PM<BR/><BR/>"When the PCSOs eventually arrived the fisherman told them that the boy hadn't been visible for some considerable time. Not much point in them going into the water at that stage."<BR/><BR/>So why did the copper who arrived at the scene some time after the PCSOs, and as a result of their call to their controller, immediately strip off, dive into the lake, and attempt to find the child?<BR/><BR/>Or are you saying that some sort of miracle might have ocurred in the meantime? Brilliant deduction, Sherlock!</I><BR/><BR/>By the time the PC arrived the child hadn't been seen for nearly an hour. Are YOU suggesting that he thought some sort of miracle had occurred.<BR/><BR/>The PC obviously felt that he ought to demonstrate to the PCSOs how heroic he was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41311612957728438722008-07-09T15:09:00.000+01:002008-07-09T15:09:00.000+01:00@ Anonymous July 08, 2008 6:48 PM"When the PCSOs e...@ Anonymous July 08, 2008 6:48 PM<BR/><BR/><I>"When the PCSOs eventually arrived the fisherman told them that the boy hadn't been visible for some considerable time. Not much point in them going into the water at that stage."</I><BR/><BR/>So why did the copper who arrived at the scene some time after the PCSOs, and as a result of their call to their controller, immediately strip off, dive into the lake, and attempt to find the child?<BR/><BR/>Or are you saying that some sort of miracle might have ocurred in the meantime? Brilliant deduction, Sherlock!Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-615317868747793772008-07-09T14:52:00.000+01:002008-07-09T14:52:00.000+01:00Go back 40 years and the station would have been m...Go back 40 years and the station would have been manned by police officers, with a uniformed duty sergeant and probably a uniformed duty inspector.<BR/><BR/>Fast forward to today and you will find stations manned, (when they are manned at all), by civilians with "police staff" badges on display.<BR/><BR/>Fine dedicated people I'm sure, but no powers of arrest.<BR/><BR/>Btw, I understand that CPSO's are currently being told during training that they are not being recruited because there is an increase in crime, but because there is a misplaced public perception that there is an increase in crime.<BR/><BR/>So we can all relax.<BR/><BR/>Max<BR/>http://theerrorlog.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31110203743196632022008-07-09T13:55:00.000+01:002008-07-09T13:55:00.000+01:00Mr DaleRead this. This is why the guy had to queue...Mr Dale<BR/><BR/>Read this. This is why the guy had to queue.<BR/><BR/><BR/>London borough of Harrow. Population about 250,000. Two Police stations with a front desks.<BR/><BR/>The main one is located in South Harrow.<BR/><BR/><BR/>It has an electronically controlled front door.<BR/><BR/>You physically cannot get in until the desk plod buzzes you in.<BR/><BR/>He/she will not do that if dealing with someone already.<BR/><BR/>Several time I have spend unhappy hours queuing outside on the street in all weathers for my turn at the desk to report crimes.<BR/><BR/>It's not like Tesco's. They don't open another till when it gets busy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22699431591535374202008-07-09T13:31:00.000+01:002008-07-09T13:31:00.000+01:00Anonymous said..."This situation, and the dire eco...<B>Anonymous said...</B><BR/><BR/>"This situation, and the dire economic circumstances, are, historically, a pre-cursor for civil unrest ......"<BR/><BR/><BR/>There's a whole lot more than civil 'disturbance' coming our way; far too late to stop it now. I'm looking forward to it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Anonymous said..</B><BR/><BR/>"Where is Verity these days? This is the sort of thread she has always loved."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I spotted her over on the Melanie Phillips Diary having her arse kicked by another member of the sisterhood. Seemed that the wench felt that since Verity likes to give it she ought to be able to take it. They have a higher standard of sister over there.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Paul July 08, 2008 8:29 PM</B><BR/><BR/>Are you on drugs? If not, you should be on medication.<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS Anyone else notice that plod this morning calling for Rape Squads for all? We certainly can't be allowing totally innocent men being allowed to walk free when femnazis are still anguished at the sight of any man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66933867846416626112008-07-09T10:13:00.000+01:002008-07-09T10:13:00.000+01:00All Met Police front offices are staffed by civili...<I>All Met Police front offices are staffed by civilian station reception officers (SRO)and Police officers are only posted to them when short staffed, so the odds are that it was an SRO and not a Police officer the killer spoke to.</I><BR/><BR/>It is mentioned in the Daily Mail to day that the suspect handed himself into Lewisham Police station and was told to wait by a <B>CIVILIAN</B> receptionist.<BR/><BR/>Can I remind you that such receptionists do not have a power of arrest.Curbishlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448537046738555753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87031274392657978432008-07-09T10:01:00.000+01:002008-07-09T10:01:00.000+01:00Just read Chris Paul [10.02 am]:"And will you stop...Just read Chris Paul [10.02 am]:<BR/><BR/>"And will you stop banging on about unaggravated burglaries when there are clearly more important and serious things to go at?"<BR/><BR/>Let's all go round and burgle him: no aggravation, mind. Just break in and steal his stuff. Nothing else will work. The man is clearly deaf to reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20970346699240135822008-07-09T09:57:00.000+01:002008-07-09T09:57:00.000+01:00My daughter found her retro car being trashed by a...My daughter found her retro car being trashed by a young drunkard. He caused £800's worth of damage. By luck, two police officers were on the scene. The drunkard took a swipe at one of them.<BR/><BR/>Result? Prosecution for criminal damage? Prosecution for assault on a police officer?<BR/><BR/>Nope: Let off with a caution because 'It is a first offence and we want to keep this young man out of the criminal justice system.'<BR/><BR/>The police officer who broke the news to my daughter was squirming with embarassment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63204090420942751392008-07-09T01:51:00.000+01:002008-07-09T01:51:00.000+01:00We will never have the standard of policing that w...We will never have the standard of policing that we need until we get directly elected Chief Constables, instead of the pseudo liberal social engineers that are in place at the moment.<BR/><BR/>They need to be answerable to the local electorate that they serve, and sackable if they don't perform to their satisfaction. At present they simply chase politically correct targets set by central government in the hope of a knighthood or placement on some well paid quango after retirement. (Cynical, moi???).<BR/><BR/>BTW, Wasn't it the case that us "erks" gave up the right to protect ourselves on the understanding that the police would protect us and keep the streets safe so that we could go about our peaceful business. If the police can't or won't protect us, then maybe we should think about protecting ourselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76167726700022898392008-07-08T23:22:00.000+01:002008-07-08T23:22:00.000+01:00james said.Thank you!james said.<BR/><BR/>Thank you!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43623007553931720152008-07-08T23:17:00.000+01:002008-07-08T23:17:00.000+01:00I posted this on coppersblog after someone quoted ...I posted this on coppersblog after someone quoted your post.<BR/><BR/>All Met Police front offices are staffed by civilian station reception officers (SRO)and Police officers are only posted to them when short staffed, so the odds are that it was an SRO and not a Police officer the killer spoke to. <BR/><BR/>Further to that if someone walked up to you and said "i've just killed two people" are you going to think that they are being honest or are you going to think "yeah, alright mate thanks very much" This isn't The Bill, funnily enough it doesn't happen that often, people walking in and spouting crap on a constant regular basis does though.<BR/><BR/>With regard to not investigating some crimes, all police blogs have posted extensively about the effect that the Government issued National Crime Recording Standards have had (here's mine if you're remotely interested http://sheepdogsandwolves.blogspot.com/2008/04/look-how-red-line-goes-down.html) we have to investigate EVERY SINGLE REPORTED CRIME no matter how pointless or pathetic or even if it actually is a crime, the simple fact that some member of the public thinks it is or should be means we have to investigate it. <BR/><BR/>Given the enormous amount of crap that people think we should be dealing with our hands are tied and we have no choice, the flipside means that means that most often crimes that we should be dealing with like burglary become nothing more than a ticky box exercise. <BR/><BR/>I'm not defending the incredibly poor performance, I hate the fact and have been a victim to it as most people have, but oversimplifying the problem and blaming the Police alone is an extremely easy and misguided option.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10229724519379035622008-07-08T22:05:00.000+01:002008-07-08T22:05:00.000+01:00I have posted about the inanities of some people t...I have posted about the inanities of some people that approach us whilst in the front office on my blog before.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, Lewisham Police Station is not only staffed at the front office by Civilian Station Officers only, they are not even Police Staff and are in fact private company employees as part as one of the Government's PFI arrangement with certain trial areas in the Met.Area Trace No Searchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04397885435594392278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25305425565720269582008-07-08T20:29:00.000+01:002008-07-08T20:29:00.000+01:00To suggest our police service is institutionally i...To suggest our police service is institutionally incompetent is an indefensible and unhelpful position to take, and the crime figures debunk your argument far more persuasively than your anecdotal evidence supports it. As a Conservative voter, I hope the party takes an altogether more supportive stance for our police service when it comes to power. It is disappointing to see Conservatives indulge in such ill-considered criticism of some of the most committed public servants we have. <BR/><BR/>England is one of the safest countries in the world. It's an absolute fact. You are considerably less likely to be murdered or be a victim of serious crime in this country than you are in these supposed hard-line, people's policing utopias like the USA and Canada. There are more officers in service than at any other point since records began. The quality of British policing is globally respected and officers from around the world travel to the UK to learn from our constabularies. <BR/><BR/>There is a serious problem undermining law and order in the UK, and public confidence in the police. That is the media prism that policing is viewed through (yourself included). Journalists pick on the holes in policing and ignore the achievements. They report the anecdotes and not the facts. Its understandable - the police are an easy target in a society that takes law and order for granted, and people hate that someone might punish them for the minor crimes they habitually commit - speeding (breaking the law), littering (breaking the law), abusive behaviour (breaking the law). On the point of diversity - during the Stephen Lawrence enquiry, the service was rightly criticised for its lack of diversity. Now the service is criticised for the diversity procedures it is pursuing to try and avoid such incidents in future. It cannot win. <BR/><BR/>The media loves to humiliate the enforcers of the law. Politicians dream of politicising the service. But 1000 journalists and politicians are not worth one police officer. <BR/><BR/>My suggestion to anyone concerned about police performance in their area is to contribute constructively. Join Neighbourhood Watch, make sure your property and that of your neighbours is properly and safely secured, become an independent custody visitor, be a member of a police authority - there's plenty you can do to help make the country safer, all of which is a lot more productive and public spirited than sniping on a blog! <BR/><BR/>PS - Your post above - 'Who would want to be an MP?'. With excellent salaries, expenses, comfortable surroundings, lack of accountability and secure facilities, I think being an MP is an altogether nicer lot than being a police officer or PCSO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-249414522233766272008-07-08T20:23:00.000+01:002008-07-08T20:23:00.000+01:00You won't see significant improvement in policing ...You won't see significant improvement in policing until after the Tories win power.<BR/><BR/>As always Labour are rubbish on law and order. A hamstrung feckless police force is primarily a symptom of government failure.Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085192997584394739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51799506243118435912008-07-08T20:08:00.000+01:002008-07-08T20:08:00.000+01:00The nine principles by Sir Robert Peel, Read them ...The nine principles by Sir Robert Peel, Read them and weep.<BR/><BR/>The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.<BR/><BR/>The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.<BR/><BR/>Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.<BR/><BR/>The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.<BR/><BR/>Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.<BR/><BR/>Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.<BR/><BR/>Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence <BR/><BR/>Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.<BR/><BR/>The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67238893252340160462008-07-08T19:53:00.000+01:002008-07-08T19:53:00.000+01:00Where is Verity these days? This is the sort of t...Where is Verity these days? This is the sort of thread she has always loved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com