tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6377373968582767568..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Iowa: The Morning AfterIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57582236741338976382008-01-06T21:32:00.000+00:002008-01-06T21:32:00.000+00:00Verity, No problem! We're all entitled to our opin...Verity, No problem! We're all entitled to our opinions. The voters will decide - but I think Obama offers real hope for the future.<BR/><BR/>Matthew, I understand your concerns but I think it would be great to have a president who realises that the world is actually *larger* than the North American continent. Obama seems to get that.<BR/><BR/>Interesting times ahead?! Let the people speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4993766707042549292008-01-06T13:57:00.000+00:002008-01-06T13:57:00.000+00:00Canvas - Apologies. We are so accustomed to readi...Canvas - Apologies. We are so accustomed to reading ill-informed anti-American rants from people who have never been to the country, never mind lived there, and who know nothing of the US government structure that I slipped over into the assumption that <I>anyone</I> commenting on the United States was doing so from an uninformed British/European position. I do apologise.<BR/><BR/>Barak Obama is still a phony and a dangerous one. So now the maddrassah is being massaged because Obama's people didn't realise that there are plenty of people who know what a maddrassah is. Ooops! Back and fill. Back and fill.<BR/><BR/>If it was a perfectly normal school, why did ol' Barak tell reporters that 'maddrassah' is just the Indonesian word for school, when it is not? If he lived there as a child, and attended school there, he most certainly speaks Bahasa Indonesia and was aware that he was lying.<BR/><BR/>I have read - and failed to make a note of it - that he had laid his plans out for running for the presidency in '08 before he managed to get himself elected to the Senate for the first time. As soon as he got elected, he started his campaign, short changing, I would have thought, the people who voted for his services as their senator in DC.<BR/><BR/>There is something very disturbing about this individual and I think he is dangerous, which is why I call him the Manchurian candidate. I am hoping his glibness and that earnest and sincere look on his face will turn off a lot of Dem voters. He's creepy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-633283260581554732008-01-06T12:41:00.000+00:002008-01-06T12:41:00.000+00:00Canvas,Couldn't stay up for the debate, but I've c...Canvas,<BR/><BR/>Couldn't stay up for the debate, but I've caught up with it this morning. I do understand that Clinton is on the back foot, but Obama's campaign has always been more suited to chasing rather than leading the pack. Clinton's substantive criticisms on his record and experience are now likely to be harder to brush off. For what it's worth, I think NH will most likely end up very close between HRC & Obama at the top, with Edwards behind by about 6 points.<BR/><BR/>I still don't know what to think about this race. In personal terms, Obama is far more appealing. But when he says things like he did last night, when he defended his comments about invading Pakistan, you have to wonder if he is suitable for a job that is two-thirds foreign policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77039736911631947332008-01-06T12:32:00.000+00:002008-01-06T12:32:00.000+00:00Verity,I was talking about Obama's comeback from h...Verity,<BR/><BR/>I was talking about Obama's comeback from his mid-campaign dip in support, including a double-digit polling deficit to HRC. Calm down.<BR/><BR/>There are some inaccuracies in what you wrote. Firstly, Obama did not start running for President before he was elected Senator: he had no real national prominence before his speech to the DNC in 2004. Secondly, experience aside, U.S. Senator is undoubtedly a 'prestigious' position - and 'junior' Senator simply means that of the two from a particular state, your tenure is shorter. Thirdly, there's nothing odd about him 'claiming' not to be a Muslim - he's not. And even if he was, why would it matter? Fourthly, he didn't attend a madrassa. He attended, for two years, the Basuki school in Jakarta, a Muslim-oriented school but one with children of many faiths, and one without any specific focus on religious instruction. See CNN's de-bunking of this smear for more details.<BR/><BR/>Finally, Verity, I think it's safe to say that Obama will not lose much sleep over the fact that an anonymous commentor on right-wing blogs has given him a (rather uninspired) nickname.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19614812258288729522008-01-06T10:43:00.000+00:002008-01-06T10:43:00.000+00:00Verity, I guess the fact that I was born and raise...Verity, I guess the fact that I was born and raised in the USA, travel there several times a year to visit my family and friends, and have dual nationality , means that I "obviously" have little insight into US politics? You are very wrong...By the way, can you actually vote in the US elections? I can.<BR/><BR/>I'm not the only person who thinks Obama would be a great president. But the voters will decide. I would be perfectly happy to see Clinton or Edwards win too. But Obama has to be first choice.<BR/><BR/>The Republicans are uninspiring. They are tired and exhausted just like the Labour Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33655035493142398622008-01-05T23:55:00.000+00:002008-01-05T23:55:00.000+00:00Matthew writes: "and as impressive as Obama's com...Matthew writes: "and as impressive as Obama's comeback has been" ... Obama's <I>comeback?</I> The guy's never been anywhere! Even counting the conniving - and he was running for president before he got elected junior senator which is not exactly an important position in Washington - he's still never had a presence anywhere to "come back" to. <BR/><BR/>He's a greenhorn. He's inexperienced. He has a lot of thoughts about changing the world ... well he better not try to change the world where I am because I haven't had an opportunity to vote against him.<BR/><BR/>Canvas writes: "Verity, if you are saying that America is not in a mess because of Geroge Bush and his policies - then it must be you who lives in that laughable lala provincial land." <BR/><BR/>Not really. I am familiar with the United States and you, all too obviously, are not - except perhaps a little over-familiar with the products of Hollywood. <BR/><BR/>I do agree with you, though. Obama is <I>very</I> special. Especially as he began running for president before he had any government experience whatsoever. Before he was elected a first-time senator even, which is a little odd. And claiming not to be a muslim. And explaining away his attending a madrassah in Indonesia by claiming that madrassah is just the Indonesian word for school. No. Madrassah in Indonesia means the same as madrassah in Pakistan, where they don't speak Indonesian. But I speak some Bahasa Meleyu - Indonesian/Malaysian, and the word for school is <I>sekolah</I>.<BR/><BR/>Obama seems to have lived a life overly-filled with incident.<BR/><BR/>I have already christened him The Manchurian Candidate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85097968713379468152008-01-05T21:28:00.000+00:002008-01-05T21:28:00.000+00:00matthew, maybe you should watch the Facebook ABC d...matthew, maybe you should watch the Facebook ABC debate tonight?<BR/><BR/>The news reports are that Obama has NH in a frenzy. At a 3000 strong democrats dinner last night Hillary was booed. They went crazy when Obama came on the stage. <BR/><BR/>Google it if you don't believe me!<BR/><BR/>but you're right, Hillary is still in it to win it. That's fine too. I like Clinton, Obama and Edwards. But Obama is VERY special.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49556173575030509302008-01-05T20:34:00.000+00:002008-01-05T20:34:00.000+00:00As an example of why Iowa shouldn't be taken as to...As an example of why Iowa shouldn't be taken as too much of a guide for the rest of the race, Wyoming is holding its own Republican caucus now, and Romney is currently in the lead with 50%. Huckabee is in single figures. (Although they only get 12 delegates this year, so this is hardly earth-shattering news.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78742284484557014882008-01-05T20:31:00.000+00:002008-01-05T20:31:00.000+00:00As much as momentum is important - and as impressi...As much as momentum is important - and as impressive as Obama's comeback has been so far - I think everyone is rather getting ahead of themselves. Clinton has run a national campaign, Iowa was always going to be difficult for her, and the threat from John Edwards has probably now disappeared, given that he threw most of his limited resources at the Iowa caucus. It is incredibly exciting to see Obama doing what he is doing at the minute, but if he doesn't win New Hampshire - where Clinton still enjoys a decent lead in the polls - the race is wide open again.<BR/><BR/>That said I think Obama's victory speech, quite apart from being great rhetoric, was very clever. If he is to win the nomination, he needs to sustain the excitement around his candidacy. Telling people they are making history is an excellent way to do that, and I defy anyone to say he did not come across as a potentially great leader of men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84011634705359590152008-01-05T02:46:00.000+00:002008-01-05T02:46:00.000+00:00the commenteriat seeks meaning in Iwowa snake entr...the commenteriat seeks meaning in Iwowa snake entrails. Here's a prediction. When the president is elected in about 8 months time the results of the Iwowa caucus won't even get more than a cursory mention. Keep your powder dry boys - there's a long way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69532624890702049202008-01-04T21:40:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:40:00.000+00:00Jim, vindictive? Moi? :)Jim, vindictive? Moi? :)Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27084092959007112692008-01-04T21:35:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:35:00.000+00:00Iain, I don't know whether you posess a vindictive...Iain, I don't know whether you posess a vindictive streak, but it may interest you to consider that if things go on as they are in the USA, your adversary Bruce Anderson's prediction's (The Independent, 31/12/07) will prove utterly wrong. He opined that "Romney will beat Clinton to the presidency". Will you be celebrating if that doesn't occur? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83533790543190890362008-01-04T21:11:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:11:00.000+00:00Interesting perspective on Republicanism 2.0 from ...Interesting perspective on Republicanism 2.0 from todays's New York Times-<BR/><BR/><BR/>Op-Ed Columnist<BR/>The Two Earthquakes<BR/><BR/> <BR/> <BR/><BR/>By DAVID BROOKS<BR/>Published: January 4, 2008<BR/><BR/>Ottumwa, Iowa<BR/><BR/><BR/>David Brooks<BR/><BR/>I’ve been through election nights that brought a political earthquake to the country. I’ve never been through an election night that brought two.<BR/><BR/>Barack Obama has won the Iowa caucuses. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to feel moved by this. An African-American man wins a closely fought campaign in a pivotal state. He beats two strong opponents, including the mighty Clinton machine. He does it in a system that favors rural voters. He does it by getting young voters to come out to the caucuses.<BR/><BR/>This is a huge moment. It’s one of those times when a movement that seemed ethereal and idealistic became a reality and took on political substance.<BR/><BR/>Iowa won’t settle the race, but the rest of the primary season is going to be colored by the glow of this result. Whatever their political affiliations, Americans are going to feel good about the Obama victory, which is a story of youth, possibility and unity through diversity — the primordial themes of the American experience.<BR/><BR/>And Americans are not going to want to see this stopped. When an African-American man is leading a juggernaut to the White House, do you want to be the one to stand up and say No?<BR/><BR/>Obama has achieved something remarkable. At first blush, his speeches are abstract, secular sermons of personal uplift — filled with disquisitions on the nature of hope and the contours of change.<BR/><BR/>He talks about erasing old categories like red and blue (and implicitly, black and white) and replacing them with new categories, of which the most important are new and old. He seems at first more preoccupied with changing thinking than changing legislation.<BR/><BR/>Yet over the course of his speeches and over the course of this campaign, he has persuaded many Iowans that there is substance here as well. He built a great organization and produced a tangible victory.<BR/><BR/>He’s made Hillary Clinton, with her wonkish, pragmatic approach to politics, seem uninspired. He’s made John Edwards, with his angry cries that “corporate greed is killing your children’s future,” seem old-fashioned. Edwards’s political career is probably over.<BR/><BR/>Obama is changing the tone of American liberalism, and maybe American politics, too.<BR/><BR/>On the Republican side, my message is: Be not afraid. Some people are going to tell you that Mike Huckabee’s victory last night in Iowa represents a triumph for the creationist crusaders. Wrong.<BR/><BR/>Huckabee won because he tapped into realities that other Republicans have been slow to recognize. First, evangelicals have changed. Huckabee is the first ironic evangelical on the national stage. He’s funny, campy (see his Chuck Norris fixation) and he’s not at war with modern culture.<BR/><BR/>Second, Huckabee understands much better than Mitt Romney that we have a crisis of authority in this country. People have lost faith in their leaders’ ability to respond to problems. While Romney embodies the leadership class, Huckabee went after it. He criticized Wall Street and K Street. Most importantly, he sensed that conservatives do not believe their own movement is well led. He took on Rush Limbaugh, the Club for Growth and even President Bush. The old guard threw everything they had at him, and their diminished power is now exposed.<BR/><BR/>Third, Huckabee understands how middle-class anxiety is really lived. Democrats talk about wages. But real middle-class families have more to fear economically from divorce than from a free trade pact. A person’s lifetime prospects will be threatened more by single parenting than by outsourcing. Huckabee understands that economic well-being is fused with social and moral well-being, and he talks about the inter-relationship in a way no other candidate has.<BR/><BR/>In that sense, Huckabee’s victory is not a step into the past. It opens up the way for a new coalition.<BR/><BR/>A conservatism that recognizes stable families as the foundation of economic growth is not hard to imagine. A conservatism that loves capitalism but distrusts capitalists is not hard to imagine either. Adam Smith felt this way. A conservatism that pays attention to people making less than $50,000 a year is the only conservatism worth defending.<BR/><BR/>Will Huckabee move on and lead this new conservatism? Highly doubtful. The past few weeks have exposed his serious flaws as a presidential candidate. His foreign policy knowledge is minimal. His lapses into amateurishness simply won’t fly in a national campaign.<BR/><BR/>So the race will move on to New Hampshire. Mitt Romney is now grievously wounded. Romney represents what’s left of Republicanism 1.0. Huckabee and McCain represent half-formed iterations of Republicanism 2.0. My guess is Republicans will now swing behind McCain in order to stop Mike.<BR/><BR/>Huckabee probably won’t be the nominee, but starting last night in Iowa, an evangelical began the Republican Reformation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37213176199520003742008-01-04T20:54:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:54:00.000+00:00Chris -the "Christian right" is a very small group...Chris -the "Christian right" is a very small group of people scattered around. In a country of in excess of 300m, they're barely discernible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76481371283291599342008-01-04T20:07:00.000+00:002008-01-04T20:07:00.000+00:00Post-Iowa I was wondering on what the final ticket...Post-Iowa I was wondering on what the final tickets for each of the parties will be come November. <BR/><BR/>My thinking for the Democrats is that it will be Obama with former Virginia Governor Mark Warner as his VP running mate. <BR/><BR/>Warner is running for Senate in 2008 so might have to be persuaded to drop that. But he would add valuable experience as Governor to the ticket to counter inexperience acqusations, being a Washington outsider it would resonate with Obama's message and finally he comes from Southern(ish) state to give Obama greater southern penetration. <BR/><BR/>The alternative to Warner would be Bill Richardson. As a Govenor, former Ambassador and Clinton Cabinet Minister he would also add experience to the ticket both in term sof domestic governance and foreign policy. Might be considered an insider given his past which doesn't chime so well with Obama's message. His Hispanic routes might help secure another key voting block, though Obama-Richardson might be considered too ethnic by some. There has also been speculation of Richardson and Obama doing deals in Iowa. The beginning of a working relationship? Finally Obama-Richardson runs of the tongue better that Obama-Warner.<BR/><BR/>As for the Republicans. McCain does appear to have the momentum though I can't help thinking Guiliani will still sneak it the end. However I think the outcome of Iowa is that if either Guiliani or McCain is the nominee Huckabee will probably be the VP rnning mate. Huckabee on the ticket would keep the Christian Right on-board and put them in pole position to follow McCain or Guiliani. Coming from the a Southern state would help shore up Republican support in the south, which might be especially important for Guiliani. McCain-Huckabee and Guiliani-Huckabee both scan ok as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35485844518102544422008-01-04T18:52:00.000+00:002008-01-04T18:52:00.000+00:00Mitch - Agreed. It really doesn't matter what the...Mitch - Agreed. It really doesn't matter what the President wants. The Congress governs the country.<BR/><BR/>I do think that Obama calling himself black is rather racist, though,given he's 50% white. Quite the little opportunist, Mr Obama.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23981470124066218072008-01-04T18:04:00.000+00:002008-01-04T18:04:00.000+00:00Saw and met Edwards in a bar in Mass. he's not too...Saw and met Edwards in a bar in Mass. he's not too bright!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73868481771481182062008-01-04T17:57:00.000+00:002008-01-04T17:57:00.000+00:00I will make a small bet.In a couple of years time ...I will make a small bet.In a couple of years time whoever wins not much will have changed,wars will still be foisted on us and everyone will blame the prez.<BR/>These people talk big(like gordon)but do little they may as well leave the chimp in chief they have at least he knows his way round the place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24671943212690694992008-01-04T17:56:00.000+00:002008-01-04T17:56:00.000+00:00Apparently Huckabee has been telling porky pies ab...Apparently Huckabee has been telling porky pies about his theology degree. He hasn't got one as he dropped out of college. Oh,dear!! What's next in the revelation stakes.Arden Foresterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03209824268395133604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12359776763865446352008-01-04T17:27:00.000+00:002008-01-04T17:27:00.000+00:00Paddy Briggs 4:30 PM, you are spot on re: Democrat...Paddy Briggs 4:30 PM, you are spot on re: Democrats - "I’d be happy with a ticket perming any two from the three in any order"<BR/><BR/>It's a winning ticket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52824586124560397292008-01-04T16:30:00.001+00:002008-01-04T16:30:00.001+00:00Every time that someone points out that BO is very...Every time that someone points out that BO is very inexperienced, it reminds me that so are Edwards and Hellary. Experience is available among the Republicans, but probably to no avail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71015394859288408542008-01-04T16:30:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:30:00.000+00:00It’s the Democrats to lose. Three strong candidate...It’s the Democrats to lose. Three strong candidates each with a perfectly credible case for election and each with a more than Presidential aura about them. I like them all - with a slight preference for Edwards because of his gutsy challenge to business America and his attacks on corporate greed. But I’d be happy with a ticket perming any two from the three in any order. <BR/><BR/>The Republicans are shambolic. Huckabee is a joke, as pig ignorant of the world as 85% of the American electorate and a believer in creationism! Where do they find these turnips? McCain is old, tired and tainted. Romney as moronic as he is mormonic and Giuliani, as well as tainted, is no more than an opportunist and a chancer.Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3590198038431879292008-01-04T16:29:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:29:00.000+00:00Bretwalda - Based on a 3% turnout of voters in Iow...Bretwalda - Based on a 3% turnout of voters in <I>Iowa</I>? Iowa's only significant because it's the kick-off. <BR/><BR/>I agree with [1:54]. Iowa, with a tiny percentage of activist voters out is entertaining, but it's not an indicator of anything. I think the Reps are going to win the White House. Still stuck with a Democratic Congress, though. Which Rep is the question. I'm hoping for McCain. Or Ron Paul on the inside track, but it's not going to happen. I just don't like Guiliani, although at least he's a Republican.<BR/><BR/>Strapworld: Agreed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26866620532087131602008-01-04T16:27:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:27:00.000+00:00Verity, if you are saying that America is not in a...Verity, if you are saying that America is not in a mess because of Geroge Bush and his policies - then it must be you who lives in that laughable lala provincial land. <BR/><BR/>Obama says he wants to make this world a better place - and the people of the USA just might give him a chance to do that. <BR/><BR/>You think Obama will get a 'thrashing' in NH. Perhaps, but it doesn't seem likely. I would be happy with Hillary winning - but Obama is preferable because he truly represents REAL change.<BR/><BR/>verity - are you always such a bad loser or do you just resent people having a different opinion to you? hug hug hug ...what a card (roll of eyes).<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63035056720852344362008-01-04T16:16:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:16:00.000+00:00Watching true democracy at work does show what we ...Watching true democracy at work does show what we have allowed this country to descend into.<BR/><BR/>Would Brown ever get elected as an MP if he had to go through such procedures as in the USA.<BR/><BR/>The USA is much maligned but when you see how they operate it tells us we have much to do to get us back to being a true democracy.strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.com