tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6375684699927341765..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The True Face of HamasIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60571276043550878112007-06-21T18:46:00.000+01:002007-06-21T18:46:00.000+01:00"is it unreasonable to demand that TV channels to ..."is it unreasonable to demand that TV channels to make people they are interviewing to show their faces?" er like when they are women wearing veils ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38913969792432324382007-06-21T10:17:00.000+01:002007-06-21T10:17:00.000+01:00"Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist or..."Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist organisation."<BR/><BR/>Much like those who vote for them. Death to the lot of them, and the 'useful idiots' supporting them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70913789122672722372007-06-20T23:52:00.000+01:002007-06-20T23:52:00.000+01:00Extraordinary. When it is pointed out to Ian Dale ...Extraordinary. When it is pointed out to Ian Dale that he has described as "anti-American" a person who supported the American invasion of Iraq, and that he has described as a Hamas cheerleader a person who "loathes" Hamas, he makes no correction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17086204650883822822007-06-20T23:07:00.000+01:002007-06-20T23:07:00.000+01:00Why not read the Hamas constitution for yourself a...Why not read the Hamas constitution for yourself and then decide what kind of organisation they are?<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant<BR/><BR/>Ed asked: is Fatah that much better? Again, you decide: http://www.zoa.org/2007/06/zoa_mahmoud_abb_1.htm<BR/><BR/>You can also read a bit of the long history of Hamas and the Nazis here:<BR/>www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com<BR/><BR/>You may not like the sources, well, you can verify those facts elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47795762160945436942007-06-20T20:42:00.000+01:002007-06-20T20:42:00.000+01:00Maybe if you knew what you were talking about your...Maybe if you knew what you were talking about your spewings could have more credibility. Until such time as you do learn the truth, there can be nothing but dismissal for those said spewings. So spew away. I'll check back in in about a month or so. Good Luck. NatMitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01808240351076295603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74357536735178451132007-06-20T17:37:00.000+01:002007-06-20T17:37:00.000+01:00Your evasiveness on this speaks volumes. You reall...Your evasiveness on this speaks volumes. You really should think more carefully before you write about a person, and actually read the article you are commenting on - DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66687173068843541762007-06-20T14:53:00.000+01:002007-06-20T14:53:00.000+01:00My name's David. I write the first two anonymous p...My name's David. I write the first two anonymous posts but not the last one.<BR/><BR/>Do you want to answer my points, Ian? You really should correct the more blatant errors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6059668093248096812007-06-20T13:22:00.000+01:002007-06-20T13:22:00.000+01:00I presume the last three anonymouses are the same ...I presume the last three anonymouses are the same person. On the last point, are you really saying that they're not a nasty, vicious, murderous terror organisation? <BR/><BR/>On your other points, I link to his article. People can make up their own minds.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10168023628094225652007-06-20T10:54:00.000+01:002007-06-20T10:54:00.000+01:00"Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist or...<I>"Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist organisation."</I> Wasn't aware that you've visited the Middle East and met Hamas recently Ian. Or is this just hearsay? It's continued prejudice like this that has caused the (ongoing) chaos in the region.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55752395596286341682007-06-20T10:53:00.000+01:002007-06-20T10:53:00.000+01:00Oh, and your point about pragmatism... if you actu...Oh, and your point about pragmatism... if you actually read Hari's article (have you read it at all?) he says Hamas were being pragmatic until the Israelis blocked them from taking power (after winning an election), blockaded and starved Gaza, and started bombing the shit out of it. Then they stopped being pragmatic. <BR/><BR/>So when you cite their behaviour over the past week as something Hari thinks is pragmatic, you are actually lying.<BR/><BR/>You really ought to print a correction. If I was Hari, I'd sue for libel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29848050030270735672007-06-20T10:27:00.000+01:002007-06-20T10:27:00.000+01:00Ian, your post is downright dishonest. Hari talks ...Ian, your post is downright dishonest. Hari talks about how he "loathes" Hamas, points out their anti-Semitic constitution, and has written long pieces condemning their attitudes towards gays.<BR/><BR/>You leave all of this out, and your commenters plainly haven't even bothered to read the piece. <BR/><BR/>Hari is hardly pro-Islamist! Look up all his articles about Islam... he is constantly being accused of being an 'Islamophobe' by the left!<BR/><BR/>Anti-American? he supported the Iraq war!<BR/><BR/>His argument is that if you don't deal with hamas, you will end up with something even more extreme. (as to your poster who asked if he supports the people blowing up internet cafes... unlike you, I suspect, he actually went to report first-hand on this at great risk to himself, defending thge victims and condemning the groups commiting these crimes, who are not Hamas, and indeed are anti-Hamas jihadists. See http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1035 ).<BR/><BR/>A hilariously misinformed post from you, Ian...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17589537350888222702007-06-20T07:43:00.000+01:002007-06-20T07:43:00.000+01:00http://phoenicia.org/christiansmea.htmlChristians ...http://phoenicia.org/christiansmea.html<BR/><BR/><I>Christians in the Middle East are fast disappearing from the area. The Lebanese Christians, who constitute the only influential Christian community in the Middle East, are fast declining in numbers and power.<BR/><BR/> This paper discusses the history of the Christian minority in Lebanon, and the decline of their hold on political power, in favour of the Muslim majority.<BR/><BR/>Theodor Hanf stated that the Lebanese nationalists, mainly Christians, tried to prove that Lebanon had existed since time immemorial and stressed its independence and uniqueness. He added that Arab nationalists, usually Muslims, tended to present the history of what is now known as Lebanon as a provincial chapter in the history of Arab-Islamic empires2. <BR/><BR/>Christian nationalism made the Christians reluctant to share their power with Muslims until the commencement of the 1975 Lebanese civil war. They were worried about their future as a minority, surrounded by a majority Muslim population that was hungry to claim its fair share of power due to their superiority of numbers. Lebanese Christians were always keenly mindful of past atrocities inflicted on their brethren in the Middle East at the hands of the Muslims- namely the demise of Armenians in Turkey and the persecution of Coptic Christians in Sudan and Egypt. The majority of Christians associate themselves with Phoenician roots and not to the Arab Bedouin (Originally Arab).<BR/><BR/>Christian nationalism made the Christians reluctant to share their power with Muslims until the commencement of the 1975 Lebanese civil war. They were worried about their future as a minority, surrounded by a majority Muslim population that was hungry to claim its fair share of power due to their superiority of numbers. Lebanese Christians were always keenly mindful of past atrocities inflicted on their brethren in the Middle East at the hands of the Muslims- namely the demise of Armenians in Turkey and the persecution of Coptic Christians in Sudan and Egypt. The majority of Christians associate themselves with Phoenician roots and not to the Arab Bedouin (Originally Arab).<BR/><BR/>Christian Emigration from Lebanon, in large numbers, also contributed to the decline of the Christian influence in Lebanon. <B> Both Muslims and Christians fled Lebanon, but far more Christians left. From a pre-war Lebanese population of roughly 4 million, 500,000 of the 700,000 who emigrated were Christian. Just how many Christians remain in Lebanon is in dispute. There are no official population figures for Lebanon. Some estimate that about 1 million residents or 25 percent of the country are Christians. </B> This figure is less than half of the nearly 60 per cent majority of the early 1970s.<BR/><BR/>William Harris saw that Christian numbers declined in Lebanon as the years went by: 1911 79%, 1921 55%, 1932 51%, 1943 52%, 1970 42%, 1990 35%35. It is hard to see the Christians current decline in status to be reversed in the view of Harris's statistics. It is very plausible that the number of Christians will become negligible in 50 years and thus their presence in the Middle East will be in jeopardy. Christians need to have the numbers in order to have a legitimate claim to sharing power with the Muslims. Charles M.Sennott quoted a Christian lawyer Nehmatalla Abi Nasr talking about the effect of Christian migration:</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34370776252314471532007-06-20T07:28:00.000+01:002007-06-20T07:28:00.000+01:00According to the CIA World Factbook 39% of Lebanes...<I>According to the CIA World Factbook 39% of Lebanese are Christians. Sounds large to me.<BR/><BR/>June 19, 2007 10:25 PM </I><BR/><BR/>Estimate made on basis of 1932 Census......The Pope is less convinced and expressed concern at how few Christians remained in Lebanon<BR/><BR/>If the British Government estimated the Muslim population on a 1932 Census basis most people would be surprisedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34152359036714735822007-06-19T22:25:00.000+01:002007-06-19T22:25:00.000+01:00Observer 7.41 PM"You are way out in the left field...Observer 7.41 PM<BR/><BR/><I>"You are way out in the left field David Lindsay. Lebanon does not have a large Christian population....</I><BR/><BR/>According to the CIA World Factbook 39% of Lebanese are Christians. Sounds large to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47496172760429855722007-06-19T22:21:00.000+01:002007-06-19T22:21:00.000+01:00Most people accept that Hamas won the election fai...Most people accept that Hamas won the election fairly. That is not really in dispute. What is relevant is the fact that the Hamas charter commits it to the destruction of Israel and that is unacceptable to the USA and the EU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84025674361442268302007-06-19T21:56:00.000+01:002007-06-19T21:56:00.000+01:00The true test of the next phase is when a suicide ...The true test of the next phase is when a suicide bomber hits Israel.<BR/><BR/>Would Israel act in Gaza but not the West Bank?NeilFitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886022563291612852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36325080965045751762007-06-19T21:10:00.000+01:002007-06-19T21:10:00.000+01:00"Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist or..."Hamas is a nasty, vicious, murderous terrorist organisation." Iain, before you get too volatile, remember that this means they will be in Government soon, just like Sinn Fein, so I would not get too excited.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12446562904248706082007-06-19T21:00:00.000+01:002007-06-19T21:00:00.000+01:00anon 5;11many jews are of european stocktheir ance...anon 5;11<BR/>many jews are of european stock<BR/>their ancestors were no more driven out of palestine than mine were (even the jewish ones)<BR/>jews are not a race.<BR/>That fact sinks the whole concept of the stae of IsraelThe Hitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007793676288933155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3412187901133260682007-06-19T19:56:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:56:00.000+01:00Observer said... ...Europe should watch in awe as ...Observer said... <BR/>...Europe should watch in awe as it might be an early glimpse of a future in Spain or France....<BR/><BR/>Observer, you are right. It's the armies of muslims who we now have in our midst that cause me considerably more concern than those in their Middle Eastern homelands. <BR/><BR/>Oriana Fallaci sounded a timely warning and her books should be read by everyone concerned at the way our towns and cities are being taken over and Islamified.<BR/><BR/>http://www.giselle.com/oriana.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73156242255256052932007-06-19T19:52:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:52:00.000+01:00Democratic elections do not allow the elected grou...<I>Democratic elections do not allow the elected group to terrorise a neighbouring state and threaten her existence.</I><BR/><BR/>Who had democratic elections ? I doubt one has ever taken place with the Palestinians....the EU aid was used to buy votes - after all it is a Welfare State funded by EU and US taxpayers......and votes are bought<BR/><BR/><I>"Hamas won 44 percent of the popular vote but 56 percent of the seats, while Fatah won 42 percent of the popular vote but only 34 percent of the seats" according to the New York Times </I><BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41276156140228056832007-06-19T19:41:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:41:00.000+01:00Lebanon (a much more Westward-looking country, as ...<I>Lebanon (a much more Westward-looking country, as befits the descendants of the Phoenicians, with her large Christian population,</I><BR/><BR/>You are way out in the left field David Lindsay. Lebanon does not have a large Christian population, and the Constitution is now completely out of kilter because Muslim population has grown enormously and the ratios do not favour Christian influence being retained - Hezbollah wants to drive Christians from Lebanon.<BR/><BR/>The aim is to drive the Christians out of the Middle East altogether......<BR/><BR/>There has been no official census since 1932 precisely to avoid recognising reality.....Hezbollah aims to smash the Constitution and erect an Islamic State.<BR/><BR/>Europe should watch in awe as it might be an early glimpse of a future in Spain or France....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10680223865394446042007-06-19T19:22:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:22:00.000+01:00What a nasty, racist little creep this Jeremy Jaco...What a nasty, racist little creep this Jeremy Jacobs fellow is.<BR/><BR/>His regular displays of racist macho trialism is quite nauseating to behold and tells us much of what we need to know about the problems in the Middle East.<BR/><BR/>Take it from a fellow Jew, Jeremy, you are doing our people no good whatsoever and if I could disown you I would.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89323132053177632042007-06-19T19:15:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:15:00.000+01:00Some Palestinians are behaving like caged rats bec...Some Palestinians are behaving like caged rats because that is what the racist oppressors of Israel has turned them into.<BR/><BR/>I have no time for muslim fundamentalists let alone terrorists but the fascistic and racist behaviour of the zionists is the biggest recruiting sergeant Islamic terrorism has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60722890476154214382007-06-19T19:04:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:04:00.000+01:00"Is it unreasonable to demand that TV channels to ..."Is it unreasonable to demand that TV channels to make people they are interviewing to show their faces?"<BR/><BR/>As long as it's not Hazel Blears.<BR/><BR/>But seriously Iain, your oversimplicity is mindblowing. Perfectly reasonable beings, decent cultured humans just as well as rats, when stressed and made fearful behave in the most apalling manner and often take it out on each other rather thasn the oppressor. Nazi Germany, Srebrenitsa, Rwanda are just recent examples. Israel was born of abuse and became a serial abuser. I worry that the Palestinians may go likewise.<BR/><BR/>Oh yes and Hari is a total twat even if he does get the odd thing right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42167491059205790592007-06-19T19:01:00.000+01:002007-06-19T19:01:00.000+01:00sorrylink pasted incorrectlyit is:http://www.terro...sorry<BR/>link pasted incorrectly<BR/>it is:<BR/><BR/>http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/Rachel Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442745344093829248noreply@blogger.com