tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6102285346386826914..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Ken Livingstone: The MovieIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68690256227152088502007-02-15T15:20:00.000+00:002007-02-15T15:20:00.000+00:00If you're going to source things, at least use pro...If you're going to source things, at least use proper sources - that lot is a mishmash of the biased, the misapplied and the irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>More on my blog.peteblogginghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06212058699026559980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4049601787132102232007-02-15T10:27:00.000+00:002007-02-15T10:27:00.000+00:00Hmm, its a pity that after such a good start they'...Hmm, its a pity that after such a good start they're now going downhill Iain.<BR/><BR/>There's no point making adverts like these if you are not going to play to the strengths of the medium you're using. And no, I'm not in the 'meedja'! This is just my layman's opinion.<BR/><BR/>The first was an excellent use of visual imagery to get across a clear message. A deaf person could watch that ad and still understand what it was getting at. I thoroughly agree with it's sentiments, too!<BR/><BR/>The second was far too verbose. With the exception of introducing the characters via the colour of their rosettes it relied entirely on the spoken work to put across it's message. It could've been a radio play. But again, a good issue to campaign against.<BR/><BR/>The third was dire. As a Tory myself, I appreciate the messages you are trying to convey, but I do not approve of these personal attacks. That's despite me finding the man in question deeply distasteful. Please don't go down this route again. Oh, and the voiceover was really annoying too - the accent just seemed too phoney to me, and I grew up on a sink estate in North London.<BR/><BR/>If you can continue making ads similar to the first one then I will continue to watch them. Remember: clear ideas; play to the strengths of the medium you're using; no ad hominem attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6567952680972701972007-02-15T08:47:00.000+00:002007-02-15T08:47:00.000+00:00In short, boring, biased, dodgy sources, and funde...In short, boring, biased, dodgy sources, and funded by Tories.<BR/><BR/>18 DS is running attack ads on Tory themes and it will lose viwers as a result.Nich Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237390959601973501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80006750579749623692007-02-15T03:01:00.000+00:002007-02-15T03:01:00.000+00:00Why do you have an ad to advertise your attack ad?...Why do you have an ad to advertise your attack ad?Lobster Blogsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14187795553504972758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46476288386638587622007-02-15T01:28:00.000+00:002007-02-15T01:28:00.000+00:00IanAs a casual reader of your blog this just looks...Ian<BR/>As a casual reader of your blog this just looks really strange. "View the latest attack ad here" <BR/>Erm, no thanks, I read blogs to escape that kind of rubbish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65857988054537560862007-02-15T00:41:00.000+00:002007-02-15T00:41:00.000+00:00hmmm.. i'm irish and i didnt like the "thanks for ...hmmm.. i'm irish and i didnt like the "thanks for everything - gerry adams" bit. isnt the war supposed to be over? why dig that up again? (much as i totally oppose the IRA.. but hey - cant we move on a bit from those old arguments?)<BR/><BR/>the same could be said about Cuba/Castro bit. lets focus on the NOW and what he is doing NOW - for example, Chavez isnt mentioned. what about that crazy oil deal?<BR/><BR/>so, in summary, that ad manages to piss off<BR/>1. the irish londoners<BR/>2. spanish/latino waiters<BR/>3. the london muslims<BR/><BR/>sorry, but i think you have some great points on the PR spending, and the taxi fees.. but no mention of the Orwellian congestion charge? <BR/><BR/>i would suggest you focus on his record and how that applies to the freedoms and liberties of ALL londoners, rather than picking out your pet hates of him liking Castro for example. picking out his support for certain causes will only weaken your argument and turn off certain sectors of the electorate.<BR/><BR/>focus on the ideas of freedom and liberty and how ken is now tracking your car into london - now THAT is big brother.<BR/><BR/>also focus on crime. and bang on about it. dont finger out the muslims, or the irish, or the Cubans... bang on about his record. crime, education, literacy levels... etc. <BR/>for fingering out certain london communities only deflects from Ken. and that gives Ken a way of demonising YOU<BR/><BR/><BR/>just my 2 cents Iain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38856656740344105982007-02-15T00:05:00.000+00:002007-02-15T00:05:00.000+00:00"Only today the Tories were trying to abolish free..."Only today the Tories were trying to abolish free bus travel for children."<BR/><BR/>It isn't free, somebody is being forced to pay for it i.e. the taxpayer. I don't expect other people to pay for me when I take the train.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76886322084893020192007-02-14T23:22:00.000+00:002007-02-14T23:22:00.000+00:00Anonymous @ 8.51 said "Everyone should know about ...Anonymous @ 8.51 said "Everyone should know about Red Ken's record for cosying up to terrorists."<BR/><BR/>Most people Do know his record, the Tories made much of it in the 80's. Problem is that a few years later they started covert negotiations with the same terrorists. <BR/><BR/>The difference is Livingstone was prepared to publicly own up to his meetings with the IRA killers and a Tory Government said one thing in public and did another in private. <BR/><BR/>20 years later when Adams is a regular visitor to Downing Street I'm not really sure reminding people will get you very far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92134255918713425922007-02-14T22:53:00.000+00:002007-02-14T22:53:00.000+00:00Whilst many Londoners may choose to give Ken Livin...Whilst many Londoners may choose to give Ken Livingstone the benefit of the doubt as a <I>somewhat eccentric-but-well-meaning-man-of-the -people</I>, those of us in Merseyside have seen the full damage of such left-wing megolamaniacs (Derek Hatton...remember him?)<BR/><BR/>It has taken us 20+ years to recover from his legacy. I pray the same does not happen to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24692881943920902402007-02-14T22:38:00.000+00:002007-02-14T22:38:00.000+00:00"The Cuban revolution was one of the most importan..."The Cuban revolution was one of the most important events of the 20th centuary."<BR/><BR/>A resent quote coming from British communism/socialist Ken Livingstone, made and reported in Cuba.<BR/><BR/>Having been to Cuba resently, may I remind any socialists out their what a "living" nightmare Cuba is for all its ordinary citizens.<BR/><BR/>Please dont believe me, Ken Livingstone, or the Cuban travel rep, go there and see for yourselves.<BR/><BR/>Then experience the deep deep shame your sense of humanity must feel, if you have ever promoted ANY of the Cuban revolutions inhumainly crule Marxist idears.<BR/><BR/>Ken Livingstone does on a regular basis and is know in Cuba as a "well know popular and credible supporter of our revolution".<BR/><BR/>49 years later and Castro and KL are still blaming the US for every problem on the island. Come to think about it KL is still blaming the US and the Tories for every problem in London.<BR/><BR/>I think the the good sense of Londons electorate will vote him out well before Londoners are living on $20 per month. However the sooner the better for everyone except Ken Livingstone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27220534951885561742007-02-14T20:51:00.000+00:002007-02-14T20:51:00.000+00:00Its a great ad. I'm not a politician and neither ...Its a great ad. I'm not a politician and neither are most Londoners. Everyone should know about Red Ken's record for cosying up to terrorists.<BR/>A leopard does not change his spots and neither has this prat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52296219017151798932007-02-14T20:11:00.000+00:002007-02-14T20:11:00.000+00:00Ken is a total letch. Anything high powered, a bi...Ken is a total letch. Anything high powered, a bit gorgeous, and who has the misfortune to share a taxi with him is at risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68695056302295147872007-02-14T19:09:00.000+00:002007-02-14T19:09:00.000+00:00this kind of spiteful 6th form rubbish only makes ...this kind of spiteful 6th form rubbish only makes the tories look like the nasty party.<BR/><BR/>are the tories capable of saying anything about livingstone or brown that isn't personal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28302648915268623392007-02-14T18:33:00.000+00:002007-02-14T18:33:00.000+00:00The reality is that the Tory party in London has n...The reality is that the Tory party in London has nothing positive to say. Only today the Tories were trying to abolish free bus travel for children. <BR/><BR/>So it is inevitable in circumstances where there is no positive agenda and total turmoil about finding a half-decent candidate that the right has turned to negative campaigning. <BR/><BR/>It will almost certainly backfire. <BR/><BR/>Plus, as Martin from Mayorwatch points out, the ad is unreliable - the £2m for the Cuba festival for example is a fabrication.<BR/><BR/>So the first anti-Livingstone ad resorts to lies. <BR/><BR/>Coming from an organisation - 18 Doughty Street - set up by the former campaign manager for Jeffrey Archer this is not exactly surprising.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6607103755129229952007-02-14T17:51:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:51:00.000+00:00Hi IainMy second comment is showing and thank you ...Hi Iain<BR/><BR/>My second comment is showing and thank you for that, my first was made shortly after my 12.51 post here and doesn't show up for me - obviously you might understandably have opted to only approve one as they said much the same.<BR/><BR/>It did look somewhat like only the more praiseworthy comments being approved given that the posts which were showing at the time of my 5.25pm comment here were all made after my first and unapproved comment.<BR/><BR/>Obviously if I'm wrong I'm happy to be told so.<BR/><BR/>Having watched it all again I think the ad is the weakest of the ones done so far.<BR/><BR/>It's technically well made but it's fails at a major hurdle, the claims in it don't amount to a great deal unless you're already a rabid Ken hater.<BR/><BR/>I'm not really sure what the section about Al-Qaradawi is meant to prove - the implication seems to be that somehow the views he expresses on issues such as gay rights reflect on Ken Livingstone.<BR/><BR/>IMO that's a bit like suggesting Mrs Thatcher shared Pinochet's views on how to treat political opponents - a cheap and rather silly point. If it was meant to be saying something else I'm afraid it was lost on me.<BR/><BR/>I happened to think that the earlier 18DS ads were pretty good so I hope the next one returns to form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26094227344505905652007-02-14T17:37:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:37:00.000+00:00Martin, I have just checked and can assure you you...Martin, I have just checked and can assure you your comment had not been censored in any way. It was held up in Comment moderation as presumably it was your first post on the site. All initial posts have to be approved. It is showing now.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26549508659016736852007-02-14T17:25:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:25:00.000+00:00What I find odd that the 18DS comment moderator de...What I find odd that the 18DS comment moderator decided not to approve the comment I made there pointing out that the Cuban festival claim has been denied and only exists in the minds of Daily Main/Standard reporters.<BR/><BR/>Hardly 'politics for adults' when comments pointing out they're wrong are censored!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89401789088455960412007-02-14T16:19:00.000+00:002007-02-14T16:19:00.000+00:00Why did Condi Rice sleep on the floor?http://www.c...Why did Condi Rice sleep on the floor?<BR/><BR/>http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/05/labott.condistraw/index.htmlThe Military Wing Of The BBChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811519612440901811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9927607396166987952007-02-14T16:02:00.000+00:002007-02-14T16:02:00.000+00:00whats up ian didnt you like my uni one ,or wasn't...whats up ian didnt you like my uni one ,or wasn't it up to your high standardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78790781412681157182007-02-14T15:45:00.000+00:002007-02-14T15:45:00.000+00:00Have you forgotten about the pigeons?I have to say...Have you forgotten about the pigeons?<BR/><BR/>I have to say it was PPiss PPoor, was it put together by Geoffrey Howe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61447286509989401822007-02-14T15:44:00.000+00:002007-02-14T15:44:00.000+00:00I disagree. It's excellent. Even better with the...I disagree. It's excellent. <BR/><BR/>Even better with the sound off.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27213154411994021402007-02-14T15:23:00.000+00:002007-02-14T15:23:00.000+00:00wrinkled weasel - Indeed, he may have had a good r...wrinkled weasel - Indeed, he may have had a good reason to go to Blackpool, in connection with the various plans and discussions about the supercasino licences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53264789158158642492007-02-14T15:19:00.000+00:002007-02-14T15:19:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2438358599962600332007-02-14T15:11:00.000+00:002007-02-14T15:11:00.000+00:00attack him and then what? Who do you propose to re...attack him and then what? Who do you propose to replace him with? <BR/><BR/>You guys seem to have forgotten that the public have continued to vote him in precisely because he gives a two fingers up to nu labour.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, what have you got? Nick Ferrari?! PLU-OISE!krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984620763250118501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32982090245156433812007-02-14T14:48:00.000+00:002007-02-14T14:48:00.000+00:00So much for your plea to avoid personal attacks Ia...So much for your plea to avoid personal attacks Iain. Do as I say not as I do and all that..<BR/><BR/>Is it me or do most Londoners seem happy with Ken even if they don't like his leftiness? At least we know what he really believes.<BR/><BR/>Do you really think Londoners will prefer some spineless, value-free, flip-flopping Cameroon?<BR/><BR/>Your Tory TV channel has hit rock bottom with that out-of-touch ad Iain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com