tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5968323386777469502..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Chris Moyles, Will Young & Gay HatredIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87779826791647534212009-06-04T06:14:03.871+01:002009-06-04T06:14:03.871+01:00I have read that hate speech laws supposedly to ba...I have read that hate speech laws supposedly to balance individual rights with the public good. I personally think that there are some things that are so alarming that the only way we can deal with it, without total depression, is with satire and humor.Dazyhttp://www.asiarooms.com/thailand/bangkok.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37589499693198606122009-03-25T10:25:00.000+00:002009-03-25T10:25:00.000+00:00Moyles sums up just about everything which is wron...Moyles sums up just about everything which is wrong with this country.<BR/><BR/>Fat, angry, unhappy man, unhappy with himself and projecting it onto other people (and many British listerners seem to identify with him).<BR/><BR/>I hate to compare us with America as I know many Brits feel we are above them, but at least there you actually have to have talent/be entertaining to be famous and they actual build people up without the need to tear them down.<BR/><BR/>(Btw, I'm not so much referring to this Young gag here - it was crass, stupid and tasteless but unfortuanately in the world, such things happen - Moyles is a schoolyard bully - don't complain - STOP LISTENING!)Alanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029675390789065200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18178247992528180272009-03-24T08:54:00.000+00:002009-03-24T08:54:00.000+00:00What no one has mentioned is (as a fan, yes I know...What no one has mentioned is (as a fan, yes I know I am not as grown up as you lot) anyone who listens to Chris Moyles will know that he and Will Young are in fact good friends.<BR/><BR/>Will has frequently been on his show and can give as good as he takes (so to speak). Plus Chris did a piece on his parody songs last week where he explains that he has to use the public instrumentals to record them so if the song changes pitch then he has to follow it. He then demonstrated by playing one of his songs where he was forced to change pitch to the point where it sounded really painful.<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of the time Halle Berry tried to call him a racist and he basically told her to fuck off. Much respect to him for standing up to the professionally offended.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746438730764657978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19873123030114804772009-03-24T00:38:00.000+00:002009-03-24T00:38:00.000+00:00Old Holborn said... “If you are going to try to "o...Old Holborn said... <I>“If you are going to try to "offend" Iain, just call Thatcher mad.”</I><BR/><BR/>Completely bonkers. Has been since about 6-8 years as PM. Round the twist.Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90710199453429088862009-03-23T23:45:00.000+00:002009-03-23T23:45:00.000+00:00Anonalong said"Iain,You f***ing poof!"Tsk.1. If yo...Anonalong said<BR/><BR/>"Iain,<BR/><BR/>You f***ing poof!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Tsk.<BR/><BR/>1. If you are going to try to "offend" Iain, just call Thatcher mad.<BR/><BR/>2. Iain is not a f***ing Poof. He is now middle aged and just a fat poof.<BR/><BR/>RegardsOld Holbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164491045068093627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27556038822486775352009-03-23T22:32:00.000+00:002009-03-23T22:32:00.000+00:00Whole thing is daft. Chris Moyles makes me want t...Whole thing is daft. Chris Moyles makes me want to vomit. <BR/><BR/>We live in a post-gay era now anyway. I was in a meeting today and we were talking about town planning, and why a major city didn't have a "gay district". No nudges, winks or sniggers - one of my colleagues there was gay but my brain didn't even make the connection.<BR/><BR/>As a married man with kids though, I do look back over 20 years at schoolyard abuse and the use of the terms "gay" and other nastier terms, and wonder how many people who may have been coming to terms with their own feelings actually suffered quite a bit of hurt.<BR/><BR/>Homosexuality and humour have an ongoing relationship (ooer) going back many decades and beyond - how can Graham Norton be so funny when being so crude when, if Jonathan Ross tried it, he would just be a sleazy prick.Jess The Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01694805454982688213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65131082450323852992009-03-23T21:24:00.000+00:002009-03-23T21:24:00.000+00:00So Chris Moyles is employed by the same BBC which ...So Chris Moyles is employed by the same BBC which was so unhappy about Carol Thatcher and her off camera comments a few weeks back concerning the gollywog like appearence of a tennis player?<BR/><BR/>Am I alone in detecting some inconsistency here with Aunty?FAIRFACTS MEDIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278035907912171422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63005945537093250982009-03-23T19:30:00.000+00:002009-03-23T19:30:00.000+00:00How about a little "live and let live"? Chris Moyl...How about a little "live and let live"? Chris Moyles is stupid. How would he like it if a member of his family was the butt of a little "joke" like this? In my opinion most gay people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. I notice that most of these offensive remarks are made by men. Women don't usually seem to see the point of this harrassment of gays. I don't see the joke my self!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10462638475011561357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2080468731761637632009-03-23T18:34:00.000+00:002009-03-23T18:34:00.000+00:00For me Will Young is like Roy Hattersley*. I find ...For me Will Young is like Roy Hattersley*.<BR/> I find him intelligent, funny and likable but I'm not a fan of his music. Similarly I'm not a fan of Hattersley's politics but I find he shares the qualities above.<BR/> <BR/> <BR/><BR/> On Iain's main point, I also don't think Will Young will be really offended. The gag seems a bit childish really. <BR/> What Chris, you've found a gay pop star!? Well I never, who'd have thought? cor blimey. I guess you'll be telling me you've found a lefty actor/actress next!<BR/><BR/><BR/> *I know! Mr Young will be so flattered.Conandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028671462205997161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11949927271942649892009-03-23T18:14:00.000+00:002009-03-23T18:14:00.000+00:00The Government should withdraw this legislation at...The Government should withdraw this legislation at once. I can see this being a proposal which won't go down well (no pun intended) with its supporters, so I have a compromise. New Labour should instead introduce a law which protects our right to insult and demean people that everybody hates - such as Dolly Draper.<BR/><BR/>It'll be the most popular piece of legislation ever introduced.The Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543130733645367498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83306632860844961962009-03-23T18:07:00.000+00:002009-03-23T18:07:00.000+00:00Iain,You f***ing poof!(You did say we had the righ...Iain,<BR/><BR/>You f***ing poof!<BR/><BR/>(You did say we had the right to use insult!)<BR/><BR/>Regards.....Gordon Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17026686719065481051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9139726610596600722009-03-23T18:06:00.000+00:002009-03-23T18:06:00.000+00:00Iain, I am inclined to agree with you on the law i...Iain, I am inclined to agree with you on the law issue (and your reasons). But just allow me the joy of hearing of Moyles - and the BBC - being slapped on the treatment of gays issue.<BR/><BR/>GT has an excellent article this month about the shoddy treatment of gays by the BBC. That idea may be counter-intuitive to many conservatives, but don't you remember what it was like growing up with just John Inman and Quentin Crisp as representations?<BR/><BR/>This stuff is not irrelevant to today's gay kids.paulocanninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61085155983123226452009-03-23T17:20:00.000+00:002009-03-23T17:20:00.000+00:00I find it all very childish but I certainly don't ...I find it all very childish but I certainly don't want any more speech laws.. did you know you can go to prison for holding extreme opinions in this country? That has to be wrong...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38115147824241350432009-03-23T17:15:00.000+00:002009-03-23T17:15:00.000+00:00Hang on, how can he be pilloried for telling the t...Hang on, how can he be pilloried for telling the truth? Will Young is camp, effeminate and sings with a high pitched voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75093966580658072462009-03-23T17:10:00.000+00:002009-03-23T17:10:00.000+00:00Moyles has it easy. Not only will he not suffer mu...Moyles has it easy. Not only will he not suffer much, he has the resources and the brass neck to defend himself.<BR/><BR/>He is being used to scare the populace - pour encourager les autres, as it were.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70939991654799046372009-03-23T17:02:00.000+00:002009-03-23T17:02:00.000+00:00If Moyles had been censured for being a useless ov...If Moyles had been censured for being a useless overpaid no talent turd I could understand it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31531134565951752562009-03-23T16:52:00.000+00:002009-03-23T16:52:00.000+00:00I've never come across Chris Moyles, but your reac...I've never come across Chris Moyles, but your reaction, Iain, is very encouraging. The proposed new law is worthless nonsense, like most of what this panic stricken government is rushing into at the moment.Boggohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837944462851466424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85681334422141770192009-03-23T16:07:00.000+00:002009-03-23T16:07:00.000+00:00I think there should be a law preventing anyone m...I think there should be a law preventing anyone making jokes about women or mothers-in-law. Perhaps the equality opportunities commission could sort it out.Desperate Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04961605512194121921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74235284513455847052009-03-23T15:52:00.000+00:002009-03-23T15:52:00.000+00:00Iain,Last Monday evening, on BBC2 at 10pm a new co...Iain,<BR/><BR/>Last Monday evening, on BBC2 at 10pm a new comedian, to me, STEWART LEE started a series.<BR/><BR/>He was quite brilliant. He did a terrific 'zorro' job on Chris Moyles book...<BR/><BR/>If you ever get the chance to view it again it was everything those, like me, that cannot abide the Moyles, will love.<BR/><BR/>Steward Lee is on again this evening talking about television.<BR/>Highly recommended.strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22898939255694250022009-03-23T15:25:00.000+00:002009-03-23T15:25:00.000+00:00As a fellow gayer, I can quite catagorically say t...As a fellow gayer, I can quite catagorically say that I thought the song lyrics were crap (and I'm sure the choreography sucked, natch), but I found it about as offensive as a shot of Jaegermeister. Not to my taste, but hardly going to make me choke.<BR/><BR/>The schoolyard deployment of the word 'gay' to also mean 'pony' used to bug me, now I don't care. I see them as being contextually different uses of the same word with different meanings. Don't bother me squat.<BR/><BR/>Using stereotypes can be acceptable, and are a useful tool to remove a sketch from reality on the basis that they are an extreme, and therefore less believeable.<BR/><BR/>I would like to propose a new 'Get a Grip Act (2009)' whereby when someone is offended and considers sueing/prosecuting on the basis that someone hurt their terribly delicate feelings, they are politely told to 'man up' (not woman up, that panders to PC), get a grip, and stop being such a bunch of fairies. Ahem.<BR/><BR/>Freedom of Speech should include the right to offend and be offended. This is mollycoddling.Ruari Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008934843155666376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57222326107804050252009-03-23T14:52:00.000+00:002009-03-23T14:52:00.000+00:00Could we not have a Moyles' Hatred Law that made i...Could we not have a Moyles' Hatred Law that made it mandatory to hate Chris Moyles? <BR/><BR/>Or do so many people hate him already that there's no need for such a law?Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34837337853920224252009-03-23T14:51:00.000+00:002009-03-23T14:51:00.000+00:00I am so glad to find another person mystified at ...I am so glad to find another person mystified at the celebrity of Moyles .<BR/>Its not very funny and not very nice but you are right , so what.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21003046221747557922009-03-23T14:48:00.001+00:002009-03-23T14:48:00.001+00:00The right to offend still exists. Just.Too right. ...The right to offend still exists. Just.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Too right. Well said you fat poofOld Holbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164491045068093627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15047685111308040762009-03-23T14:48:00.000+00:002009-03-23T14:48:00.000+00:00Yet another case of the double ended stereotype. C...Yet another case of the double ended stereotype. Chris Moyles casts all gay people as effeminate with high pitched voices. Someone else at Ofcom casts all gay people as being offended by this description.<BR/><BR/>Both are using a stereotype of gay people, and possibly Ofcom's is even worse because it feels that gay people are not able to speak out for themselves when someone is offensive.<BR/><BR/>We see this all the time. Consider all the times someone has been accused of being offensive to Muslims. Then consider how many times you've actually heard a muslim coming out and saying they were offended. The second considerably lower than the first?Ian Simcoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01518825067469269377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53174429189900306162009-03-23T14:06:00.000+00:002009-03-23T14:06:00.000+00:00Well said IainWell said IainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com