tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5598046545228599251..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: PMQs: Brown's Best Performance YetIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84970790251522796742009-12-03T14:17:12.017+00:002009-12-03T14:17:12.017+00:00"When, as is likely, it is shown that the Eco..."When, as is likely, it is shown that the Economy moved out of recession in August"<br /><br />"Brown didn't say Spain is a full member of the G20, did he?"<br /><br />Oh, Quackzapple. Proof, if ever one needs it, that all Labour supporters need to be sterilised.<br /><br />As for Comrade Clown, they've obviously resorted to injecting him with testosterone and heroin to give him a bit of a pep.Hurf Durfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15280775220327644406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61787548296776537862009-12-03T13:11:53.568+00:002009-12-03T13:11:53.568+00:00johnwillman said...
"Hate to contradict @dipp...johnwillman said...<br />"<i>Hate to contradict @dippy, but Spain is a member of the G20 - it has attended both last year's summits as an additoonal member, as has the Netherlands.</i><br /><br />The clue is in the name <b>G-20</b>. If Spain were to be made a full member then it would have to be called the <b>G-21</b>.Newmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02313165998730705169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48683458782559405052009-12-03T09:16:53.843+00:002009-12-03T09:16:53.843+00:00Do carry on making a complete tit of yourself.
Sp...Do carry on making a complete tit of yourself.<br /><br />Spain does not have full rights as it is not a member. As such it does not attend all meetings.<br /><br />You seem strangely reluctant to acknowledge that on the G20 website Spain does, for some strange reason, not appear on the membership list. Perhaps this link will help you see what a complete and utter fool you are making of yourself.<br /><br />http://www.g20.org/about_what_is_g20.aspxIain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16687445584676132782009-12-03T08:12:39.575+00:002009-12-03T08:12:39.575+00:00If you attend their meetings and play a full part ...If you attend their meetings and play a full part you would be thick Iain, you'd be a member of a political party to which you have little affiliation.<br /><br />Spain attends the G20 meetings and participates fully, and the G20 is a forum for discussion of economic matters attended by Finance Ministers and latterly Leaders/PMs. You seemed to accept this when you posted that they were not Full Members, perhaps not formal members might have been better.<br /><br />I could see the difference between informally counseling Tory Councillor friends who were sometimes at odds on the one hand, and attending their group meetings as invited on the other hand when I was a Labour Councillor in the '80s.<br /><br />Best you are more careful, memberships can be two edged swords.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69017259294716873852009-12-02T23:24:38.121+00:002009-12-02T23:24:38.121+00:00Really, who cares if Spain is or is not a member/f...Really, who cares if Spain is or is not a member/full member/invited guest etc of the G20?<br /><br />What surely matters is that Broon said the UK was best placed to emerge from the recession and it is, in reality, the last, or second last industrial nation on earth to emerge from the recession.<br /><br />The UK is bottom of the class, or near bottom, however you define the group. And Brown seems to be managing to deflect this fact by getting everyone worked up about whether Spain is a member of the G20 or not.<br /><br />It's actually quite clever of him.Keith Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15943998773525481937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30902746435923997622009-12-02T23:15:29.835+00:002009-12-02T23:15:29.835+00:00Thick or what. Qz.
If I attend a meeting of my lo...Thick or what. Qz.<br /><br />If I attend a meeting of my local LibDems, does that make me a member of them?<br /><br />You normally talk rubbish on this site, but this time you have really surpassed yourself.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88999489549694488982009-12-02T22:58:51.663+00:002009-12-02T22:58:51.663+00:00Dont know where the stuttering nutter gets off wit...Dont know where the stuttering nutter gets off with this class warfare crap, He's had a pretty privileged upbringing from where I'm sitting. In fact I think He's guilty of discriminating against Cameron by ridiculing his schooling, someone should tell Harridan, Who herself is...... By the way does anyone know anyone who has one of the 500,000 saved jobs? Not much of a comfort to anyone who did lose their job is it? Or their kids, especially if they are still trying to get their lives back on track, with all the government help, which is actually bugger all by the way I can assure you. You thought Brown looked good today, I found it deeply offensive. Need I remind you that recovery and the feel good factor did nothing to save John Major.King Athelstanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796189127188811779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15089952883562477392009-12-02T22:57:37.294+00:002009-12-02T22:57:37.294+00:00zapple - 'attending' a meeting does not ma...zapple - 'attending' a meeting does not make you a member of the society or group.<br /><br />People attend the Cabinet - but they are not 'in the cabinet'.<br />The G20 itself says<br />"In a forum such as the G-20, it is particularly important for the number of countries involved to be restricted and fixed to ensure the effectiveness and continuity of its activity."<br />So Spain will NEVER be a member of the G20, although I have signed the petition.<br /><br />The fact that we are alongside Spain - an economic basket case - in the economic stakes is hardly a cause for celebration.<br /><br />PS<br />Be prepared for more names to be read out at PMQs.<br />The US 'surge' means one thing - more fighting. BBC news seems to be saying that Brown and Labour are quite chippy about the surge.<br />But it means more fighting and more losses.<br /><br />The commitment of Pakistan and their success is going to be of great importance to us - but to think we can succeed (and wwe can) without losses is once again putting our heads in the sand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79060504647119225752009-12-02T22:43:39.473+00:002009-12-02T22:43:39.473+00:00Silly, if you can say Spain is not a full member y...Silly, if you can say Spain is not a full member you imply that in some sense it <i>is</i> a member.<br /><br />It may not be a legal definition but:<br /><br />member |ˈmembər|<br />noun<br />1 an individual belonging to a group such as a society or team<br /><br />If they attend the meetings they are members in this sense, the G20 being a group which meets.<br /><br />Happy to be shown up in your current fashion, as I may already have suggested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42358038900872871962009-12-02T22:37:22.973+00:002009-12-02T22:37:22.973+00:00You really are showing yourself up. I have just lo...You really are showing yourself up. I have just looked it up in Hansard. Here is the exact quote.<br /><br />"Spain is a member of the G20".<br /><br />IT IS NOT and nothing you say can change that.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25798998513998247742009-12-02T22:33:14.850+00:002009-12-02T22:33:14.850+00:00When you criticise the PM for using the same phras...When you criticise the PM for using the same phrase you used yourself . . .<br /><br />ROFLMA&SO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25007317346327089372009-12-02T22:26:50.429+00:002009-12-02T22:26:50.429+00:00What part of "is not a member" do you no...What part of "is not a member" do you not understand? Just because it gets invoted to attend the odd meeting does not make it a member. Look at the membership list on the G20 website, for God's sake. Admit you are wrong,Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35893154722665916692009-12-02T22:24:06.584+00:002009-12-02T22:24:06.584+00:00@ Iain:
Oh?
"It has had special invitations...@ Iain:<br /><br />Oh?<br /><br />"It has had special invitations to attend, but is not actually a full member" a certain Cons Blogger rote of Spain on another of his blog posts.<br /><br />Perhaps a trivial slip of the pen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47474988073111987872009-12-02T22:05:32.282+00:002009-12-02T22:05:32.282+00:00Brown said Spain is a member of the G20. It is not...Brown said Spain is a member of the G20. It is not. End of story.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63725579852247150972009-12-02T22:00:32.197+00:002009-12-02T22:00:32.197+00:00It's all rolling Brown's way.
The byele...It's all rolling Brown's way. <br /><br />The byelections in Scotland were 'won'. <br /><br />He's spending GBP 200 billion a year on subsidising the fastest stock market boom in history. <br /><br />There's no point in getting rid of him now.<br /><br />The Conservatives have squandered their months of easy lead by making a few tactical errors such as Osborne's IHT changes, and the Lisbon chance to make headway with Britain's eurosceptics is over. <br /><br />The bill for Brown's largesse will not need paying until after the election.<br /><br />He's got the largest postal voting 'turnout' in history planned and all set to go - maybe 5 million votes this time versus 3 million last time.<br /><br />No wonder he's feeling chipper at last. It's an easy game destroying a democracy.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58030450252544601062009-12-02T21:55:57.578+00:002009-12-02T21:55:57.578+00:00@Iain:
Brown didn't say Spain is a full membe...@Iain:<br /><br />Brown didn't say Spain is a full member of the G20, did he?<br /><br />Will you be following your own advice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42898657079614287782009-12-02T21:35:59.669+00:002009-12-02T21:35:59.669+00:00Did any politician congratulate us all for complet...Did any politician congratulate us all for completing our historic entry into the EU Superstate?<br /><br />Did any of them applaud the fact that we are now all officially dual citizens?<br /><br />Did they explain that we now all owe allegiance to the EU President and not our monarch?<br /><br />Did they mention the freedoms we lost, or the thousands of new statutes we gained?<br /><br />For the first time since, well, since ever, 27 states in Europe are united.<br /><br />And not a word was said about it?<br /><br />Why was that, do you think?*<br /><br />*Genuine question. I am mystified.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48468150555023775932009-12-02T19:41:41.214+00:002009-12-02T19:41:41.214+00:00You're right. Cameron was awful today.You're right. Cameron was awful today.Steve Tierneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189511711594171958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30906582099256993792009-12-02T18:52:57.926+00:002009-12-02T18:52:57.926+00:00Next week I hope Dave takes some of the advice I s...Next week I hope Dave takes some of the advice I send him and start bashing Brown, on his false economic record emphasising that a man who sells gold at $257 should not give any lessons on economics. Failed chancellor failed Prime Minister and failed moral compass.<br /><br />I would also read out the latest Gold fixing, the level of sterling at each PMQ and remind Brown of his words when in opposition about a strong currency reflecting the good governance of the economy<br /><br />Gold Today 1,214<br />GBP/Euro 0.9100<br />GBP/US£ 1.6640<br /><br />On the point of the French being in charge of the EU internal market and the city of London, if ever there were a reason for us to leave the EU then this is it.<br /><br />As for Spain being in the G20 this should have been picked up and a question directly asked of Brown of when they joined. We know the answer, but would be good to see Brown squirm.<br /><br />Finally, he must start on the health question again, a blind man cannot take the country forward as it is obvious the French put some obstacles in his way and he came up with Baroness Ashton.<br /><br />I agree Brown did well today it cost me a TV set, as I was so mad I threw my cup of Coffee at it. I am off to see the same trick cyclist as Brown and Campbell to sooth my nerves. Mad, I’m livid.The Purplelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824474829595685623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70171040305357542702009-12-02T18:51:20.468+00:002009-12-02T18:51:20.468+00:00You gotta be kidding!! Spain in G20? Billionaire...You gotta be kidding!! Spain in G20? Billionaires live in houses worth £320K? Stoking up "class warfare".<br /><br />"Son of the manse"? Must have been an interesting intrepretation of Christianity at that church, i.e., lying is fine and who cares.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12601117305957808573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86740083505990974952009-12-02T17:30:15.344+00:002009-12-02T17:30:15.344+00:00Is this really a Prime Minister? 'Best perfo...Is this really a Prime Minister? 'Best performance yet'? Good grief. Remind us, how many PMQs has he attended? And this is the best he can do? No ability to do anything apart from shout slogans, dissemble, offer fictions about the Opposition's actions and policies, and never ever a single straight answer - even to the time of day.<br /><br />Frankly it's time we did away with this whole charade. This 'Government' is determined that it will never answer to Parliament - or anyone else, for that matter. We no longer live in a democracy. Cameron and the Conservatives should hold the Speaker to account for this. When is Bercow going to act?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41789942509380330772009-12-02T17:07:09.133+00:002009-12-02T17:07:09.133+00:00Surely the precise timing of emergence from the re...Surely the precise timing of emergence from the recession is much less important than the fact that it has happened / is going to happen and that it is the Governments' actions which have led to this. Left to the wonders of the market we'd probably all be scurrying in the gutter for food.<br /><br />(nb. please note position of the apostrophe in <b>Governments' </b> !)Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63276802689409702009-12-02T17:00:37.323+00:002009-12-02T17:00:37.323+00:00Shock horror - Brown did not defenestrate himself...Shock horror - Brown did not defenestrate himself.<br /><br />Yet Spain is NOT a member of G20 and even if - so what? The fact that we are in the recessionary doldrums along with them is hardly a reason to cheer.<br /><br />Brown said were were well placed and look at us now!<br /><br />ONLY millionaires will pay under tory IHT proposals - labour imply they will be somehow exempt. Knowing how thick labour MPs are (they elected Brown after all) we should not be surprised they ail to grasp this.<br /><br />Labour backbenchers may cheer Brown over IHT but the ordinary middle classes like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86406559057295965442009-12-02T16:58:29.678+00:002009-12-02T16:58:29.678+00:00So Broon had a good 15 mins...well lets face there...So Broon had a good 15 mins...well lets face there has to be the odd occasion when he doesnt make a complete tawse of it....and no matter how hard Al Campbell tries, you cant polish a turd.....Mirtha Tidvillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940977481295375071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46715471978877682522009-12-02T16:24:57.438+00:002009-12-02T16:24:57.438+00:00Shows how low the the bar is for Gordon Brown at P...Shows how low the the bar is for Gordon Brown at PMQs!<br /><br />Brown screwed up one comment on the unemployed, he said that he had achieved 500,000 unemployed. What he was trying to say i think is that his policies stopped a futher 500,000 from being unemployed. Nobody picked Brown up on this! But I noticed!!!<br /><br />Cameron held his own today and Cameron is more dignified and lets remember it is not for Cameron to give awnsers at PMQs at this time!<br /><br />I thought that Danny Alexander was of more interesting note - he looks very worried indeed!!! Indeed I thought he may have done something in his pants he looked that worried! What does he know we dont?<br /><br />Nevermind - Cameron will be like a blow tourch on butter next week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com