tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5539108204813457267..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Baroness Scotland Should Do the Honourable ThingIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57152099693169763892009-09-22T21:49:28.548+01:002009-09-22T21:49:28.548+01:00Come on, if everyone was fined five grand for empo...Come on, if everyone was fined five grand for empolying an illegal immigrant we'd solve the economic crisis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29483473254514727892009-09-22T20:00:20.301+01:002009-09-22T20:00:20.301+01:00If you sacked her for incompetence what job would ...If you sacked her for incompetence what job would she do? Certainly not housekeeping. Hee! Hee! Hee!Sir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14932332000305929802009-09-22T17:51:57.301+01:002009-09-22T17:51:57.301+01:00"This is an outright lie"
Of course it ..."This is an outright lie"<br /><br />Of course it is. What do you expect? An apology? The people who blog this rubbish know that no-one's going to sue, so why would they care?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85859421229137861682009-09-22T17:42:19.352+01:002009-09-22T17:42:19.352+01:00Roger Thornhill wrote,
If you board a bus and the...Roger Thornhill wrote,<br /><br />If you board a bus and the driver is disqualified, should you, a passenger, get the fine? Who is really breaking a law? Who is committing fraud here?<br /><br />Utter balderdash. Totally misleading example. A passenger does not employ the bus driver! This law was aimed at small companies; i.e. builders, who make a passing glance at paperwork (if at all) and take illegals on at a bare minimum part-time wage for full time work.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12415893901812138102009-09-22T17:37:19.221+01:002009-09-22T17:37:19.221+01:00Brown should sack the bitch. He won't because ...Brown should sack the bitch. He won't because he is gutless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2024036291139930892009-09-22T16:17:51.041+01:002009-09-22T16:17:51.041+01:00Anonymous 9.40 am
Iain, this government are getti...Anonymous 9.40 am<br /><br />Iain, this government are getting away with murder.<br /><br />The last one did as well. Just ask Blair and Campbell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26344551323241825242009-09-22T16:07:02.704+01:002009-09-22T16:07:02.704+01:00Honourable seems to have been expunged from the di...Honourable seems to have been expunged from the dictionary<br /><br />Maybe we should just apply again to the OED and quote "Labour Party 1997-2010 as the sobriquetStronghold Barricadesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30671954196299855992009-09-22T15:43:10.170+01:002009-09-22T15:43:10.170+01:00"The fine is so high because the g'ment h..."The fine is so high because the g'ment have now made it a new stealth tax"<br /><br />The fine is so high because of who she is. If you look at the guideline document, it seems pretty clear that anyone else would have got a warning letter, but you can imagine the tabloid response to that.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62359730536403657522009-09-22T15:28:30.694+01:002009-09-22T15:28:30.694+01:00First off, I think it is wrong that Baroness Scotl...First off, I think it is wrong that Baroness Scotland was fined £5k. <br /><br />I think she should not be fined at all. The "law" as it is is an utter pilchard. With guts. It stinks. <br /><br />If you board a bus and the driver is disqualified, should you, a passenger, get the fine? Who is really breaking a law? Who is committing fraud here?<br /><br />If you can prove complicity in the offence, an attempt to conspire to mislead the UKBA, then that is one thing, but the reason the employer is roped in in this way appears to be a) it is someone they can scare, lean on and catch b) they do their dirty work for them.<br /><br />It is so, I believe, for the purposes of administrative convenience. <br /><br />That is not good enough.<br /><br />Baroness Scotland should return to office and then abolish this daft "law" and the 30,000 other offences New Labour have picked out of their belly-buttons in the last 12 years. If she refuses (guess), then she should then be subject to the full force of her own rancid legislation.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52624047972115607252009-09-22T15:18:58.405+01:002009-09-22T15:18:58.405+01:00Sorry Iain, nothing will happen to her.
Fine will...Sorry Iain, nothing will happen to her.<br /><br />Fine will appear on expenses as miscellaneous cleaning up.<br /><br />1) She is a she<br />2) She shows how multi-cultural labour are<br />3) She's a lawyer<br />4) She's a labour baroness so not subject to the same laws as the peasantry.<br /><br />She gives yardies a bad name but will be held up as an example of how "ethnics" can get ahead in labours brave new world.<br /><br />Lying, par for the course for a lawyer.<br /><br /><i>Nothing can eradicate from my heart a deep and burning hatred for the Labour Party</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48216394691689537462009-09-22T15:11:46.009+01:002009-09-22T15:11:46.009+01:00Next up, Brown will be calling for a change in the...Next up, Brown will be calling for a change in the 'rules', a clarification of the law, etc etc.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17255088875347621772009-09-22T15:01:43.096+01:002009-09-22T15:01:43.096+01:00Provided that it's not a technical breach of t...Provided that it's not a technical breach of the rules she should be able to claim a refund for the £5000 fine on expenses.<br /><br />But even if it is she should still be able to claim and get off er, scot free.Bath plugs for the many, not the fewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22977623477209690272009-09-22T14:42:52.404+01:002009-09-22T14:42:52.404+01:00Can you imagine what the Labour party/BBC would sa...Can you imagine what the Labour party/BBC would say about this if it was a Tory under the same circumstances. Nothing on the BBC Have Your Say of course.<br /><br />Only Labour would do this its frankly disgusting.Johnny Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900659617233793880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22310012128108926202009-09-22T14:41:37.304+01:002009-09-22T14:41:37.304+01:00"In the old days, the press would not have le...<i>"In the old days, the press would not have let it go, yet his has been barely commented on by the MSM."</i><br /><br />Yeah, lead story on the BBC and Sky, front page of the Standard... Once again the massive Labour conspiracy among media types has hidden the truth from the masses.<br /><br /><i>"Add to that her apparent fraudulent claims for 170000 in expenses over several years."</i><br /><br />This is an outright lie - as the <a href="http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/newsroom/news_stories/090920-lordsoffice-allowance.aspx" rel="nofollow">Cabinet Office</a> has pointed out, there was nothing fraudulent about her receiving the money and she didn't "claim" it. Now that little fact is something that the mainstream media really has ignored. And Iain, you might want to check with your libel lawyers before you continue to host comments that say otherwise...<br /><br /><br /><i>"So I'll inadvertently speed and lose my licence (granted it'd take a lot of offences at this point...) but would I get off...no." </i><br /><br />She hasn't "got off" - that's why she was fined £5,000. Unless you need a car to do your job I very much doubt you'd be fired (or be expected to "do the honourable thing" and resign) if you got caught by four gatsos in six months. Should notorious drink driver Paul Staines be banned from blogging?Factsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38108661720503565512009-09-22T14:26:33.323+01:002009-09-22T14:26:33.323+01:00Hoisted by her own petard - she should go straight...Hoisted by her own petard - she should go straight away.<br /><br />Brown's actions bring the law into further disrepute - one law for them and another for us in terms of consequences.Fed up with deceiversnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91409378843854529752009-09-22T14:13:05.790+01:002009-09-22T14:13:05.790+01:00A £5000 fine is excessive for a technical breach o...A £5000 fine is excessive for a technical breach of omission, i.e the taking and retention of a copy.<br /><br />To put it into perspective, you could get caught and fined for shoplifting every day between now and Christmas and still have paid out less.<br /><br />The fine is so high because the g'ment have now made it a new stealth tax on those nasty people who actually provide employment in this miserable little country.<br /><br />That said, the Baroness should have resigned immediately. But what is the point in having power if you don't abuse it. (Chapter 1, section 1 (a) - Nu Labour Guidance to Ministers 2009 edition)APnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31163697000373538872009-09-22T14:05:29.746+01:002009-09-22T14:05:29.746+01:00so start a petition on the Number 10 website -
I...so start a petition on the Number 10 website - <br /><br />I'll sign itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91742725695983381452009-09-22T13:57:25.306+01:002009-09-22T13:57:25.306+01:00She has only been fined because ALL she did was no...She has only been fined because ALL she did was not keep a copy of the documents. Therefore she must have seen documents that satisfy the law. But the cleaner was illegal, therefore the law allows the presentation of documents that are insufficient to prove you are a legal worker.<br /><br />Pete-sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36227375330399962452009-09-22T13:54:31.624+01:002009-09-22T13:54:31.624+01:00Strictly speaking civil fines are just another ter...Strictly speaking civil fines are just another term for stealth taxes. So far from breaking the law the baroness should be congratulated for an unselfish act of contributing to help the ONE MILLION unemployed youth ... Ah No wait a second just remembered the cleaner.Javelinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55598204075735672042009-09-22T13:52:57.505+01:002009-09-22T13:52:57.505+01:00Failure to keep proper records for your domestic s...Failure to keep proper records for your domestic staff - fine £5000.<br /><br />Day late with your tax return - fine £100.<br /><br />Aggravated burglary - fine £50*.<br /><br />Wiping the grin off Gordon Brown's face next May - priceless.<br /><br />There are some things quantitative easing can't buy...<br /><br /><em>* based on recent experience as a victim.</em>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358997452787952339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84597387338942067652009-09-22T13:48:33.271+01:002009-09-22T13:48:33.271+01:00Legally she can stay, morally she should go, polit...Legally she can stay, morally she should go, politically she should definitely go.<br /><br />By keeping her Brown is showing the nation that he has no power to act. But give it a week when the smell of a decomposing government becomes a stench and those around Brown will let him get rid of her. Brown's advisors are giving him more and more rope.<br /><br />The plotters will have another victory against Brown, the nation suffers in the meantime.Nigel Allerynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52162698528065018422009-09-22T13:39:24.733+01:002009-09-22T13:39:24.733+01:00I think Cherie Blair would make an excellent Attor...I think Cherie Blair would make an excellent Attorney general, don't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60171442811175698802009-09-22T13:28:08.247+01:002009-09-22T13:28:08.247+01:00The thing I'm shocked about is the incompetenc...The thing I'm shocked about is the incompetence of it all. This has to have been known about within the Government before it got out, and they have to have known that it would be a significant embarrassment if and when it did. Why on earth didn't they simply fiddle it so that this Tongan woman became legal before anyone knew to ask about it?<br /><br />Everyone already knew that New Labour were a bunch of dishonourable hypocritical moralizers and control freaks. Now we know that they can't even organize a cover-up properly.James Dowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058389162481491681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57325208256826380322009-09-22T13:16:14.720+01:002009-09-22T13:16:14.720+01:00Just found this in The Ministerial Code, as set ou...Just found this in The Ministerial Code, as set out by Gordon Brown in 2007:<br /><br />"1.2 The Ministerial Code should be read against the background of the overarching duty on Ministers to comply with the law including international law."<br /><br />Overarching duty to comply with the law, and yet she still isn't expected to resign after breaking not just any law, but her own law. Disgraceful.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06677238644602042467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78660925171018806742009-09-22T13:02:42.330+01:002009-09-22T13:02:42.330+01:00Just a thought, buthas Gordon Brown ever taken the...Just a thought, buthas Gordon Brown ever taken the "quick-decision"? Has he ever asked for the resignation of any minister, or MP? In fact has he ever taken a battleground decision about anything, or has he stumbled and stuttered every step of the way? <br /><br />At least with Blair we always knew that whenever he said "He/she has my full support" they had just a couple of weeks to live, which usually prompted a resignation.<br /><br />Brown is particularly gutless and probably the worst Prime Minister that we could possible be blessed with.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.com