tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post514604589722472517..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Will the Irish Capitulate to Blackmail?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43995005510235413592009-09-20T00:29:53.414+01:002009-09-20T00:29:53.414+01:00As the Tories wont say a word, given they voted th...As the Tories wont say a word, given they voted the slimeball back into office, perhaps UKIP will raise the outrageous bribe of €14million EU funding which Barroso delivered today in the Republic of Ireland to help 're-train the ex-Dell employees' of Limerick after their jobs were transferred overseas.<br />What a scandalous bribe to help bolster the potential 'yes' vote.<br /><br />Is this legal?iain, ninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87505094852888700152009-09-19T16:10:53.180+01:002009-09-19T16:10:53.180+01:00Unfortunately it will be a yes vote. Goebbels woul...Unfortunately it will be a yes vote. Goebbels would be proud of the misinformation and lies being spread by the yes camp. They even got the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland to ignore the rules of the McKenna judgement which required RTE to give equal time to Yes and No. The amount of money being spent by the EU not directly pushing yes but advertising how "great" the EU is over the past number of months has been scandalous and unfortunately the scaremongering by the government and media has most people so scared that they think the EU will dump Ireland into the middle of the Atlantic if there is a No. Even the Daily Mail had "Yes, Yes, Yes" plastered across the front of it's Irish edition today.<br /><br />The only hope for democracy now is the Czech president who will hopefully be able to hold out long enough until the UK election. If that is the case the British electorate can show Brown what they think of his lies on a referendum and give the Eurocrats a black eye by electing David Cameron as PM.Richard Keoghnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6649077667431452002009-09-18T21:22:54.188+01:002009-09-18T21:22:54.188+01:00"The campaign widget is available here"
..."The campaign widget is available here"<br /><br />I've just noticed this. Let's see if I've got this right. The plan is to get British bloggers to woo Irish voters using a leprechaun widget and using the name Ollie Cromwell?<br /><br /><br />Outstanding!Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36427186923875300352009-09-18T21:18:39.296+01:002009-09-18T21:18:39.296+01:00Iain Dale (one at least who should be sophisticate...Iain Dale (one at least who should be sophisticated enough to know better) and all the contributors above ought to (or should now have the guts to) read the first editorial in today's <i>Irish Times</i>.<br /><br />To make it easy, click here:<br /><br />http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0918/1224254794794.html<br /><br />Little Englanders, of course, wouldn't give a damn. After all, wogs begin at Llandudno.Malcolm Redfellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11907427518823910875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45756905591252402072009-09-18T20:23:38.582+01:002009-09-18T20:23:38.582+01:00Ireland will vote "Yes" and Cameron will...Ireland will vote "Yes" and Cameron will not hold a referendum.<br /><br />'Twas always thus.Eduardo de Astonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21772092652569586562009-09-18T19:14:11.241+01:002009-09-18T19:14:11.241+01:00This is a disgusting insult to democracy. But what...This is a disgusting insult to democracy. But what more would you expect from the EU. Vote how you want, but you'll just have to keep on voting until you vote the way we want you too. It stinks, and reminds me why my contempt for the EU knows no limits. C'mon you No-ers! But you're right, there's a conspiracy of silence - say nowt, and the public will do what they're told. Have a debate and the public will realise why they voted no last time! It makes my blood boil!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27909870269954899222009-09-18T17:47:44.565+01:002009-09-18T17:47:44.565+01:00"bearing in mind how much coverage it got the..."bearing in mind how much coverage it got the first time"<br /><br />Not that much - this is from ny blog 15 days before the last one because i was annoyed at how little coverage it was getting:<br /><br />"Just a reminder, since you won't be seeing much of it in our media, that the Irish get a vote on the EU's Lisbon Treaty on 12th June...<br /><br />Currently the polls show the Yes vote a bit ahead though the gap is closing. On that basis the EU should just get it but there is a possibility, with the Irish politicians & media so heavily supporting a Yes that people answering are tending to shy away from admitting a No preference (rather as people did with the Tories in John Major's first election.<br /><br />What will happen if there is a No vote. Last time the politicians told the Irish they had got the wrong result & go away & try again. Perhaps they will do the same now. In theory the entire constitreaty should fall but somehow I don't see that happening...<br /><br />The BBC regularly assure us that Russia isn't a democracy, even though its government got in because people voted for it (unlike here where only 20%) because their media generally supports their government line ...<br /><br />Best result from Ireland's point of view would be a No vote followed by Ireland deciding/being forced into EFTA with the associate status Norway & Iceland have. This would get them out from under some of the £405 billions that EU regulation costs every year according to the organisation's own "enterprise" Commissioner"neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42077964809554799992009-09-18T17:45:23.906+01:002009-09-18T17:45:23.906+01:00Perhaps they know that if they don't say YES t...Perhaps they know that if they don't say YES they'll just have to keep voting until the great EUROPEAN STATE is happy with the result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16058615069674891002009-09-18T17:25:14.952+01:002009-09-18T17:25:14.952+01:00Betting on NO. Yesterday PP was 11/2. Today 5/4....Betting on NO. Yesterday PP was 11/2. Today 5/4. Tells the story really.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21446101338340685152009-09-18T17:10:14.935+01:002009-09-18T17:10:14.935+01:00Feck the polls.
Paddy Power is offering only 5/...Feck the polls. <br /><br />Paddy Power is offering only 5/4 on the NO vote. <br /><br />Street talk wrote off the YES campaign two weeks ago. <br /><br />Only the media is running with the pretence of a win for the YES side, to save their EUtopian little faces.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79885539566956470862009-09-18T16:59:48.879+01:002009-09-18T16:59:48.879+01:00If the Irish vote NO, they will be forced to vote ...If the Irish vote NO, they will be forced to vote again...and....again untill the EU gets what it wants, its the EU all over isnt it?<br />Bribe/bully/bulls**t/blather untill people give up and roll over.<br /><br />The EU is actually trying to threaten the Irish with loss of EU aid? Just shows how important this "tidying up excersise" really is doesnt it?<br /><br />The EU want this consititution because it lays the iron hard concrete foundations of the new longed for EUSSR, think of it as a slave harness, once in you are in, once the papers are signed the swift deconstruction of the nation state can begin, from the friendly smiley happy face the EU commissars are keen to show us now to the real face of the EU commissars.<br /><br />You think its difficult to get the national regime to listen? Just wait untill the nation state leaders are mere 'order followers' and see what you get when you come up against the real EUSSR comrades!<br />A nation can vote untill they are purple in the face, in the new EUSSR it wont matter, we will be drawn into a nightmare servitude you cannot begin imagine,where do you think the 'streamlining' will end? Does anyone think that these commissars will just want a little streamlining?cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088596240127998878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12568802236939447372009-09-18T16:39:39.836+01:002009-09-18T16:39:39.836+01:00Well done William Dartmouth MEP for telling the to...Well done William Dartmouth MEP for telling the tories off over voting for that awful man Barroso,I can hardly believe they would be so daft.Voting for Barroso once is bad enough but twice to let this oily beaurocrat in again is plain stupid.Never mind he will be hot footing it to Dublin to tell the Irish to vote yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13284207155981915962009-09-18T16:24:30.705+01:002009-09-18T16:24:30.705+01:00Boothroyd, even for an amoral sockpuppet like you ...Boothroyd, even for an amoral sockpuppet like you those are weasel words - and even you must realise it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92102699313052619462009-09-18T15:23:44.214+01:002009-09-18T15:23:44.214+01:00William Dartmouth MEP slams the Tories over the re...William Dartmouth MEP slams the Tories over the re-election of Barroso:<br /><br />http://www.williamdartmouth.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92063371158199452922009-09-18T15:11:11.526+01:002009-09-18T15:11:11.526+01:00Old Holborn has some great videos of the EU debate...Old Holborn has some great videos of the EU debate in Dublin, really worth a look.<br /><br />Sadly I think the vote will be Yes though.Cjamesknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74120925530700359962009-09-18T13:52:43.947+01:002009-09-18T13:52:43.947+01:00Sadly they don't let us exiles vote, but as ge...Sadly they don't let us exiles vote, but as general rule of thumb I think that if the British Conservative Party and Sinn Fein are agreed on something then it's almost certainly a really stupid idea.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80125242149391216032009-09-18T13:43:31.897+01:002009-09-18T13:43:31.897+01:00Probably...Probably...JPThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00796856414981086841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25452826568804089812009-09-18T13:39:46.939+01:002009-09-18T13:39:46.939+01:00If the Irish reject Lisbon and say NO Lisbon is de...If the Irish reject Lisbon and say NO Lisbon is dead coz it must be ratified by all 27 member states not 26<br />I live in hope that one day we the pepple will freed of this eussr <br />witch will NEVER have are heart's mind's and soul's in the uk <br /><br />I will never bow to the EU <br />I will never fight for the eu<br /><br />Long live the queenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55438202250691017922009-09-18T13:30:32.276+01:002009-09-18T13:30:32.276+01:00Iain
"I'd like to think the Irish peopl...Iain<br /><br /><i> "I'd like to think the Irish people will be intelligent enough to see through this..." </i><br /><br />You suggest, then, that those who vote "Yes" are unintelligent. This is offensive. That there are differences of opinion on Europe in Ireland, the UK and all over the continent is healthy. But intelligent people can come to different conclusions based on the same facts. <br /><br />It is not stupid to vote "Yes" any more than it is stupid to vote "No". You have let your own views cloud your good taste on this one Mi Amigo!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91639490860677628802009-09-18T13:12:51.314+01:002009-09-18T13:12:51.314+01:00I hope the Irish vote NO again to the so called Li...I hope the Irish vote NO again to the so called Lisbon treaty/ Constitution.How much taxpayers money are the unelected elite in Brussels throwing at the yes campaign in Ireland it is outragious.The Irish people already said NO so did the Dutch and the French.Come on Ireland stand up to the lying elite from Brussels tell em NO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31186804077099955822009-09-18T12:44:05.646+01:002009-09-18T12:44:05.646+01:00The Eurocrats should look at British history to se...The Eurocrats should look at British history to see what happens when you try to put pressure on the Irish.Frugal Dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459572116047155640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26098354032118253352009-09-18T12:40:34.492+01:002009-09-18T12:40:34.492+01:00The previous vote was a 53-47 vote against the tre...The previous vote was a 53-47 vote against the treaty as it then stood; it's perfectly legitimate to say that it's been approved by 26 other member states, and to seek to assuage Irish concerns, and invite their opinions again.<br /><br />Given that there had been a previous occasion when a treaty had been rejected in one referendum in Ireland and then accepted at a second after revision, Irish voters would have known that voting No was not necessarily the same as voting Never.<br /><br />It's also an Irishman's prerogative to change his mind.David Boothroydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161970886471901426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27252329595484150172009-09-18T12:37:40.793+01:002009-09-18T12:37:40.793+01:00Nations have a right to self-determination so I am...Nations have a right to self-determination so I am not going to tell the Irish what to do.<br /><br />In fact, I am not bothered, it's their funeral.<br /><br />What bothers me is that Labour went back on the promise of a referendum and Gordon Brown lied about it. What bothers me is that the EU has grasped power largely by stealth and largely by anti-democratic means. What they are conducting now is a massive attempt to pull the wool over peoples' eyes, using our money to secure a "Yes".<br /><br />And what is worse, they will not take "no" for an answer - rape is rape.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67030179542384458342009-09-18T12:22:41.337+01:002009-09-18T12:22:41.337+01:00I don't have a vote
Why not Nabidina?
What d...<i>I don't have a vote</i><br /><br />Why not Nabidina?<br /><br /><i>What difference will it make if Ireland votes "no"? The EU will just make them vote again, and again, and again until they give the right answer.</i><br /><br />I don't think so this time, the Irish govt is broke and bloody desperate, thats why they're resorting to these tatics. They're trying to force through NAMA, the country is in upheaval.<br /><br /><br />Families are finding it really difficult, one family on family focus last night are on a combined income of 50,000E per year and cannot afford a car. Electricity, gas, mortgages all hiked. Ordinary people are in a state of open revolt, SF were actually bounced out of the dail day before yesterday in the NAMA debate.<br /><br />This also adds to peoples fear, and there is genuine fear of how people will cope if a no vote comes and it makes things worse. It won't make things worse, but scare tatics on a frightened people work. A no vote is very likely.Kate.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16867796422714332491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24057773832068208392009-09-18T12:16:42.128+01:002009-09-18T12:16:42.128+01:00We are doing as much as we can to help the no vote...We are doing as much as we can to help the no vote:<br /><br />http://www.westbournemouthukip.com/docs/Irish%20No%20Leaflet.pdf<br /><br />http://www.euinfo.ie/<br /><br />http://www.efdgroup.eu/<br /><br /><br />Meanwhile; away from the spotlights, the Tories support the re-election of the main man:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qMLVpTvROUukipwebmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12240335641832778726noreply@blogger.com