tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5141622427899591411..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The BBC Is Right To Give BNP Seat on QTimeIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10400043234021687682009-09-10T09:59:13.289+01:002009-09-10T09:59:13.289+01:00"A society that puts equality -- in the sense..."A society that puts equality -- in the sense of equality of outcome -- ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests." <br /> <i>Milton Friedman</i>Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49299800557811385142009-09-09T19:01:00.327+01:002009-09-09T19:01:00.327+01:00Stever, I agree with your comments about Grammar S...Stever, I agree with your comments about Grammar Schools. One idea I have had, which I would like you chaps to shoot me down in flames is this one.<br /><br />To ensure adequate levels of first class quality teaching, it would appear ideal in these days of quality cheap video technological to hold joint lessons for core subjects, video teaching, where a master at a top public school or grammar school takes the class session via video link, while teachers on the ground perform the necessary control function. <br /><br /><br />I am convinced this would push standards up, and would not affect the public or grammar school pupils. Who would still be getting the personal one to one direct contact with the Master.<br /><br />With this approach of using technology, we could cut Teacher numbers (The bad ones) move resources around and even record the video content to keep for additional teaching.The Purplelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824474829595685623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33130782960857814722009-09-09T18:00:49.977+01:002009-09-09T18:00:49.977+01:00trevorsden,
Grammar Schools could be recreated qu...trevorsden,<br /><br />Grammar Schools could be recreated quite easily!<br /><br />There would be a problem recruiting teachers, not because they would not wish to work in one, but because teachers of sufficient quality would be hard to find!<br /><br />It seems so strange and unfortunate that schools can select for sports excellence, artistic excellence, technological excellence, but academic excellence is to be derided. <br /><br />Ask yourself would you want yourself or a family member operated on by a Doctor who excelled at school, or someone who got by, had a bit of help, had someone to read the exam questions to them, repeated each exam module until passed.<br /><br />Let me make it very clear, people do not posses equal ability, you can not enforce equal outcomes.Steve Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13123470111410935176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37525257466160920192009-09-08T18:08:32.585+01:002009-09-08T18:08:32.585+01:00Cowardly senior BBC correspondent says, “It’s barm...Cowardly senior BBC correspondent says, “It’s barmy ... Public servants can be sacked for membership of the BNP and yet the BBC wants to give them airtime with the main political parties.”<br /><br />But its ok for Public Servants to thieve and lie though!! ie Politicians.<br /><br />These stupid individuals, who incidentally are salaried by people just like me, just don`t get it do they? Arrogant fools!English Firsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13423078454157177708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17363179209814109332009-09-07T20:12:06.406+01:002009-09-07T20:12:06.406+01:002 comments on this from the Guardian today (hardly...2 comments on this from the Guardian today (hardly the house journal of this blog): <br /><br />From Mike White struggling to think who amongst the Cabinet would be good enough to deal appropriately with Griffin (not histrionics, not over-the-top rants, but firm, clever and a bit of humour). <br /><br />From Jackie Ashley regretting that even in the dog days of the Major administration, you'd still have Ken Clarke, Michael Heseltine, and the odd other person making the case robustly and well for a Tory Government - and that there just isn't anyone amongst the present Cabinet who's willing to take the case for a Labour government anywhere.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029493332926438273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77135812092273564302009-09-07T12:10:58.625+01:002009-09-07T12:10:58.625+01:00It is a statement of fact that the Iraq invasion w...It is a statement of fact that the Iraq invasion was illegal. At Nuremburg it was decided that planning & launching aggressive wars was the prime war crime "from which all others flow". Despite Bliar's 45 minute claim, which is what is technically known as a lie, Iraq was not attacking or planning to attack the USA, UK or indeed Solomon Isles. Hence the war was illegal.<br /><br />The "left" nonetheless show total hypocrisy in supporting the Yugoslav bombing which was inherently even more illegal & in which the war was conducted overwhelmingly by bombing civilians (also a war crime0 & for the purpose of participating in a KLA campaign of genocide (vrime against humanity).<br /><br />Both wars were opposed by the BNP & UKIP which makes them a lot bnore decent than the main parties.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86409556941273851772009-09-07T08:10:03.451+01:002009-09-07T08:10:03.451+01:00PRJ45
Don't be disingenuous. The left is not...PRJ45<br /><br />Don't be disingenuous. The left is not solely populated by those of the Marxist faith. It is populated by all who prize equlaity over liberty and who think that the Government is more important that the individual. A Nazi is a lefty, just as much as a Communist., as both belive in totalitarian rule.<br /><br />The taxonomy of political thought should only be based upon political factors, marxist ecomnomic drivel is irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82290313420837526392009-09-07T02:08:43.680+01:002009-09-07T02:08:43.680+01:00These Labourites that are planning to boycott say ...These Labourites that are planning to boycott say that giving the BNP a place on the programme will legitimise them. Too late. They were democratically elected. They already are legitmate, whether we like it or not.<br />What are they affraid of? Are they not intellectually capable of demolishing the arguments of a man like Nick Griffin?<br />It's this kind of political cowardice that has helped increase support for this group of nasties.<br />This Labour government have failed repeatedly to address the concerns of many decent people regarding the extent and rapidity of immigration into this country over the last decade. Instead, they chose to throw around all manner of labels (racist, Little Englander, Xenophobe) to close the debate down by making it seem socially unacceptable to question their immigration policy, or lack thereof. Unfortunatley, some of those people who live in the areas most affected by mass immigration have chosen to support the one party that will talk openly about it.<br />The lesson is simple. If politicians in the main parties refuse to address people's genuine concerns in a decent manner, some will turn to any alternative that will address those concerns, even if in a thoroughly indecent manner.<br /><br />No wonder Labour types are reluctant to appear on the same stage as Nick Griffin. They are well aware that they helped to put him there.<br />Their refusal should not be seen as principled. It is cowardly.<br /> <br />One only has to think of the invitation of the Iranian President to speak at an American university. Cue howls of indignation, from the right this time. It will give him a platform he doesn't deserve, lend him legitimacy etc.<br />Once given the platfform, he proceeded to make to complete prat of himself in front of a wide audience. This is the correct approach.Reednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59862931809160458842009-09-07T00:36:39.655+01:002009-09-07T00:36:39.655+01:00Democracy is not a spectator sport.Democracy is not a spectator sport.13th Spitfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17559256605304975963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56179939303678803792009-09-06T23:15:53.567+01:002009-09-06T23:15:53.567+01:00"the attack was not illegal "
Well, it ..."the attack was not illegal "<br /><br />Well, it was mounted on a totally false premise using data that was knowingly inflated to justify the action. So why lie to justify it?<br /><br />I was happy to see Saddam toppled but what a shambles we createdCynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25315177613767868392009-09-06T19:34:04.621+01:002009-09-06T19:34:04.621+01:00This has nothing to do with the BNP and everything...This has nothing to do with the BNP and everything to do with the survival of the BBC. The BBC thinks Call Me Dave is going to parcel them up and sell them off to ameliorate our national insolvency. Expect more of the same.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043274193125080998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13931733604025815432009-09-06T19:17:39.436+01:002009-09-06T19:17:39.436+01:00Having MEPs was the reason given, quite explicitly...Having MEPs was the reason given, quite explicitly, for putting UKIP and the Greens on Any Questions? and Question Time. So the Beeb has had no other option.<br /><br />And why not?<br /><br />If utterly unrepentant old hands of the Communist Party (at the time the paid agents of an alien power), of Trotskyism, of the International Marxist Group, of the nominally Labour faction of Soviet fellow-travellers, of the “free”-marketeering agitation for everything from the legalisation of heroin and cocaine to the legalisation of sex with children, and of the hired help of apartheid South Africa and Pinochet’s Chile, are allowed on, then why not the utterly unrepentant old hands of the National Socialist Movement and of the National Front?<br /><br />If supporters of the funny money PFIs, or of the wholesale privatisation of local government services, or of NHS charges (though only in England and only for those under 60), are allowed on, then why not those whose views on, say, race or the death penalty may be wrong, but are nowhere near as unpopular as any of those?<br /><br />And if supporters of the Iraq War are allowed on, then why not those who probably do not hold a single opinion, however odious, anywhere near as unpopular as that?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58148045254596630732009-09-06T18:59:06.407+01:002009-09-06T18:59:06.407+01:00They may be feautured on QT, but it's pretty c...They may be feautured on QT, but it's pretty clear it won't be a platform. There will be the usual mix of 4 guardianistas, one Tory before sticking Griffin in as the dancing-bear. Plus a suitably diverse audience to howl and boo on cue. Lot's of heat and zero light.<br /><br />One only needs look back to the DP's 'bold' decision to feature Griffin a few months ago. Andrew Neil simply spent the whole interview discussing Holocaust denial.<br /><br />If extreme left parties such as the BNP help to eat into Labour's core vote, you won't find me complaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21113129813385466552009-09-06T18:43:08.568+01:002009-09-06T18:43:08.568+01:00I could not agree more with the comments by Martin...I could not agree more with the comments by Martin Wellbourne, and Cynic. Loathsome is the word I'd apply to the Labour party and to the BBC for their acts against the British people. No one has get convinced me why it is 'loathsome' to campaign for an end to the importation of foreign cultures that clash with our own. And why it is so bad to call for the voluntary repatriation of people who want and would be happier living in their own culture and country. It is a point of view, it has some merit, and it should be debated. Was it 'loathsome' of our ancestor to resist invasion in the past?Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83608624068121531122009-09-06T18:07:09.536+01:002009-09-06T18:07:09.536+01:00Iain, both you and your commenters are missing the...Iain, both you and your commenters are missing the salient point. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever whether the BNP get airtime on Question Time or not, or if they do, whether they get "empty chaired" or anihilated in debate by the "respectable politicians"...<br /><br />Why? All you "political nerds" who are the majority viewership of QT would never contemplate voting BNP and the present and potential supporters of the BNP never watch QT.<br /><br />Simples...Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19740868975796252332009-09-06T17:44:45.370+01:002009-09-06T17:44:45.370+01:00The 'loathsome' BNP, eh, Mr Dale? I think ...The 'loathsome' BNP, eh, Mr Dale? I think you'll find they speak for millions who have been deserted by the main parties and have seen their towns and cities turned into third world ghettos and fear the complete Islamification of Britain.<br />But then I doubt you and most of the posters here live in areas which are worst affected. You will one day - and your children will too.Mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184880363878458929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23096998851059826772009-09-06T17:29:39.872+01:002009-09-06T17:29:39.872+01:00"an illegal attack on Iraq that has left hund..."an illegal attack on Iraq that has left hundreds of thousands dead" SIGH ... the attack was not illegal and it has not left "hundreds of thousands dead". <br />There are lots of legitimate reasons to decry this government.<br /><br />Strap - dream on. Farage would not bring back grammar Schools. It is a physical impossibility to do that. <br />Bringing back Grammar Schools would mean bringing back Secondary Modern and presumably the Technical schools that were meant to compliment them. <br />It would cost a fortune just to get the infrastructure and you would have to conscript teachers to work in them.<br /><br />This is not to say that education cannot be improved. Bad education is not because of no Grammar Schools, it is lack of streaming in Comprehensives and lack of decent standards.<br />Conservative policy seems pretty radical enough for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36259154107601258452009-09-06T16:05:02.161+01:002009-09-06T16:05:02.161+01:00I detest the BNP but find some of the comments her...I detest the BNP but find some of the comments here very odd.<br /><br />Individuals wouldnt sit on the same platform as the BNP but would happily share one with (nay support) members of a Government that:-<br /><br />* lied to justify an illegal attack on Iraq that has left hundreds of thousands dead<br /><br />* hounded an eminment scientist to his death because he spoke out and told the truth<br /><br />* sent troops into battle in vehicles and with equipment that they knew was inadequate and didnt offer protection<br /><br />* failed to provide sufficent helicopters to reduce casualties and casevac those who were injured<br /><br />* in the middle of a war targetted the reputation of a General who spoke out for his men and women<br /><br />* was preparing to target the daughter of another General because she worked as PA to a political opponent and to send him a message not to step out of line<br /><br />* from inside the PMs persaonl office in No 10, ran a smear campaign to try to destroy political opponents<br /><br />* lied when they were caught out<br /><br />* lied to try to have an opposition MP and a whistleblower prosecuted because of the leak of embarassing information on how the Governmnet had mishandled immigration and covered it up<br /><br />* lied about their party funding and took illegal donations on a massive scale<br /><br />* accepted money form various commercial organisations and then conveniently changed legislation or policy, telling us it was all planned anyway<br /><br />* orchestrated the release of a mass murderer on commercial grounds thereby severely damaging our relationship with a close ally<br /><br />* is pursuing another war in which hundreds of our own troops and thousands of civilians are being killed and where one of its own senior members and advisors has resigned because there is no strategy, no plan and no exit route<br /><br />* taxed us to the hilt then squandered the money on public 'services' that have often got worse<br /><br />* made such a mess of bank regulation and economic policy that it wrecked the banks and has led to a devalutaion of the £ by about 30%<br /><br />* spent billions on 'fixing' this running the national debt up to its highest level ever thereby beggaring the county, us in our old age and our children<br /><br />If I was Nick Griffin I would be concrened about sharing a platform with a Labour speaker.Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64092022081545892702009-09-06T16:02:35.044+01:002009-09-06T16:02:35.044+01:00So long as people are walking out of their front d...So long as people are walking out of their front doors and experiencing that which the BNP condemns it won't matter how many eloquent intellectual arguments can be mustered against them on Question Time or anywhere else.Martin Wellbournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224027590387598617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5756005267829203912009-09-06T15:59:32.121+01:002009-09-06T15:59:32.121+01:00strapworld said... "The BNP Is a left wing or...strapworld said... "The BNP Is a left wing organisation! certainly not right wing."<br /><br />Right wing, in the classic sense, is mostly aligned with staunch royalism, and the BNP are certainly that (not reciprocated by the modern royal family I'd imagine).<br /><br />It also appears practically allergic to marxism, which would be rather strange for a left wing organisation don't cha think?prj45https://www.blogger.com/profile/00577925032338977435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13390601372978660512009-09-06T15:36:01.137+01:002009-09-06T15:36:01.137+01:00I agree Iain.
The more people will see of Nick G...I agree Iain. <br /><br />The more people will see of Nick Griffin (& co) the less inclined they will be to vote for him.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07456462562170192857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71905722283610271692009-09-06T15:30:27.936+01:002009-09-06T15:30:27.936+01:00IanVisits said... : "The best thing that coul...IanVisits said... : "The best thing that could happen to reduce support for the BNP is to put their representatives in front of a mainstream audience."<br /><br />Anybody that spends more than three seconds researching the BNP and the attitudes behind it (i.e. stormfront, the BNP's own website etc...) can find out what an odious group it is.<br /><br />And if they spend more than three seconds looking into the party and still don't find it revolting then, well, that's quite scary.prj45https://www.blogger.com/profile/00577925032338977435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33990056851236077482009-09-06T15:28:33.294+01:002009-09-06T15:28:33.294+01:00I agree Iain. The BBC are happy to have other extr...I agree Iain. The BBC are happy to have other extremist lefties in the form of the Greens & Respect on their shows why not another bunch of socialist extremists the BNP? <br /><br />If the BBC were to ignore the BNP it would just give them another way of getting votes by playing the "victim" card.<br /><br />Damn them with their own words.Andrew Ian Dodgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16293965494182995460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64814622421700376912009-09-06T15:28:22.922+01:002009-09-06T15:28:22.922+01:00If the BBC can have raving loony lefties like Tony...If the BBC can have raving loony lefties like Tony Benn on QT, why not have the other cheek on that particular arse to balance it up, and equally show everyone yet another set of morons on the fringe of life and politics that need avoiding. <br /><br />Or could it be that the BNP are uncomfortably close to the loony lefties positions to start with.Jabba the Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378736389976858775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27825894120367319462009-09-06T15:22:22.926+01:002009-09-06T15:22:22.926+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.edfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378787702419385891noreply@blogger.com