tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5055441488667674211..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Letter from Kenya: Gang Raped, Foreskins Cut Off, Severed Heads Impaled on SticksIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45460576179766971942008-01-05T02:28:00.000+00:002008-01-05T02:28:00.000+00:00THe more that come here the more it is likely to s...THe more that come here the more it is likely to start happening here.<BR/>http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geumd.bSxHzxIA2VlLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTFjNjlhZTk0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjkEY29sbwNhYzIEdnRpZANVSzAyNjNfMjYzBGwDV1Mx/SIG=11osv4b7l/EXP=1194180350/**http%3A//blog.ilanamercer.com/%3Fp=378<BR/>http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2003/power_kill_country_am_1203.htm<BR/>http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/<BR/>http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/09/onethird_of_sas.php<BR/>http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-cruddas-gets-something-right.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64714108941273737722008-01-05T01:27:00.000+00:002008-01-05T01:27:00.000+00:00Savonarola, It is people like you you that still s...Savonarola, It is people like you you that still seem to think that Africa still needs the First World that are still leaving in the dark ages. Kenya does not factor foreign into her budget, the reason being that we not need to be given aid and then people think that they can piss on us or dictate to us. We used to get aid from Britain and part of the aid was used to buy their expensive Landrovers and other stuff. We said NO. Keep your aid we will use our own money and go and shop where it is cheaper. That is why the British are so pissed off with Kenya. Mwai Kibaki has been emphatic that he does not need international mediatorts to sort our problems. Did the British or French Prime Minister offer to go and mediate when there was an impasse in the US after the 2000 elections? Soem of the African countries have come of age and we do need to be dictated to by some imperial powers. We can think for ourselves and if we were not raped and plundered during the days of colonialism we would be much better off. Savanorola or whatever your name is I bet you that you know very little about Kenya and it would be best that you stop displaying your ignorance by purpoting to blog about Kenya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76474379737238400032008-01-05T00:55:00.000+00:002008-01-05T00:55:00.000+00:00The person that sent that Email seems to know very...The person that sent that Email seems to know very little about Kenya. The person cannot even spell Kikuyu or Kangemi. This tells you that these are just half baked, one sided and myopic stance on the issue about the post election violence. I wish such people should resist the urge to write stuff that is full of Bigotry, epithets and leave Kenyans alone. They do not need one morwe person fanning and fuelling the fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74550037525265850772008-01-05T00:52:00.000+00:002008-01-05T00:52:00.000+00:00Based on the some of the contents of this letter, ...Based on the some of the contents of this letter, one can tell that it has been written by a foreigner. The biggest tribe in Kenya is known as the Kikuyu’s. They are a hard working lot and that is how they have been able to acquire what they have. They have not depended on any one’s and anyone saying to the contrary is a big liar. It is Wananchi and not wanachi! The President did not order the police on what to do. If you listened carefully to the Police commissioner he said that anyone that tries to harm another citizen would be met with the full force of the law. Did you know that the same people that you are saying are being killed indiscriminately went to church and burnt it together with the occupants. Do you know that since then the senseless goons have burnt another 2 churches. Open your eyes and ears and stop peddling falsehoods form Kenya, after all if you do not like the country you can go back to whichever country you came from. We do not need your likes meddling in the affairs of our country. There is no place called Kageme it is called Kangemi. Also I find it curious that your maid doesn’t live in your premises. Most of the Kenyans people that have maids have them living in their servants quarters or in their house. Are you being practicing Apartheid and being a Kaburu? These are some of the figures for the voter turn out in the Raila Odinga and William Ruto strongholds that were in the Nation Newspapers. Sigor 115%, Eldoret North (Ruto) 116%, Mosop 97%, Emgwen 103%, Baringo North 92%, Narok South 120%, Bondo (Raila) 102%, Kisumu Rural102%, Karachuonyo 94%, Ndhiwa 93%, Nyatike 95%, Mbita 95%. Your friend is pissed off because their days as an expatriate earning exhorbitant salaries are numbered because why should we have people being paid ten times what we would pay a Kenyan to do the job. Your friend should also refrain from using dirty, uncouth and uncivilised language against the Kikuyu’s because they are not there at our behest and if they left I doubt that Kenya would be any worse off.<BR/><BR/>Lastly ask your friend to go home because it is these kind of people with their warped minds that we definitely don’t need in Kenya. All the erroneous information, the glee at people being killed and gang raped just tells you that the person probably wrote the Email while under the influence of smoething that is surely illicit in Kenya. Once again THE IDIOT WHO SENT THE EMAIL SHOULD GO HOME!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60089114907184114492008-01-04T21:48:00.000+00:002008-01-04T21:48:00.000+00:00@ NuttycowAre the Kikuyu a race or a tribe?@ Nuttycow<BR/><BR/>Are the Kikuyu a race or a tribe?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64091742548665605142008-01-04T19:06:00.000+00:002008-01-04T19:06:00.000+00:00It's not who votes,that counts.It's who counts the...It's not who votes,that counts.<BR/>It's who counts the votes, that counts.old and angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460349012174678718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73466114713553415332008-01-04T16:54:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:54:00.000+00:00of course the letter from Kenya will seem one side...of course the letter from Kenya will seem one sided. Its one persons perception of what has happened.<BR/><BR/>To put this down to racism misses the point an election was rigged, people are killed because they object to this failed process.<BR/><BR/>Funny how the only people who came out and supported the result was Bush.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this is how he likes his democracyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59335776981466250512008-01-04T16:06:00.000+00:002008-01-04T16:06:00.000+00:00Whats new in Africa. Kenya bloodfeast the 31st act...Whats new in Africa. Kenya bloodfeast the 31st act of a fifty act play The Death and Rape of Africa by the Bigmen. The play commenced in 1961 with the handover of the Belgian Congo to Patrice Lumumba(a good if misguided man).<BR/><BR/>There are no practical solutions that would be acceptable:<BR/><BR/>1 Recolonise Africa. 95% of populations would turn back the Uhuru if they could.<BR/><BR/>2 White man gets out of Africa lock stock and barrel and cuts off all aid. Africans will then sort themselves out. It will take a century.<BR/><BR/>But look at the destruction of Africa's peoples in last 50 years. Our aid and support of the Mobutu's, Kenyattas Arap Mois et al have exacerbated the rape and pillage that is too painful to contemplate.<BR/><BR/>Weeping , breast beating, live aid, Oxfam 4x4's, conferences, technical aid, arms, Africa Commissions, visits by ----wits like Blair/Clinton/Brown help not jot.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The only humanitarian aid worth noting is undertaken by the micro charities.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07500688050397705993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13778724753141280922008-01-04T15:54:00.000+00:002008-01-04T15:54:00.000+00:00Interesting that the people commenting on this pie...Interesting that the people commenting on this piece don't seem to think that tribalism is the same as racism.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a dictionary on me but a quick google search comes up with the following definition "A strong feeling of identity with and loyalty to one's tribe or group." A search on racism comes up with "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."<BR/><BR/>Now, correct me if I'm wrong (which I am sure you will!) but aren't statements like "arrogant Kikuyus" therefore "racist"?nuttycowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10404690160646306404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59524276380619997372008-01-04T15:49:00.000+00:002008-01-04T15:49:00.000+00:00Sorry I must be being dense - could one of the com...Sorry I must be being dense - could one of the commenters who said the post was racist tell what about it was racist. It may be biased or only giving one point of view - but racist? In what way?Mr Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17781133482447010353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53361529612208764242008-01-04T14:13:00.000+00:002008-01-04T14:13:00.000+00:00@Eddie: I don't think Iain is endorsing every word...@Eddie: I don't think Iain is endorsing every word in this article, just supplying it as evidence of why the violence is unlikely to abate.<BR/><BR/>@Calais: have you heard of anyone in the UK getting their John Thomas remodelled with a panga? <BR/>Even the word sounds painful. Panga!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90985762612289127392008-01-04T14:03:00.000+00:002008-01-04T14:03:00.000+00:00Democracy is just the least worst means to another...Democracy is just the least worst means to another end - <A HREF="http://neuearbeitmachtfrei.blogspot.com/2008/01/rule-of-law.html" REL="nofollow">Rule of Law</A>.<BR/><BR/>Without Rule of Law, Democracy is Mob Rule waiting to happen.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4902541227388692862008-01-04T13:26:00.000+00:002008-01-04T13:26:00.000+00:00Keep out of the Dark Continent it's nothing to do ...Keep out of the Dark Continent it's nothing to do with us. Of course they will all be living here soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23530633961415192752008-01-04T13:08:00.000+00:002008-01-04T13:08:00.000+00:00Hmmm...not the greatest of posts. Looks fake to me...Hmmm...not the greatest of posts. Looks fake to me...agree with sentiments of Cecil Rhodes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21148462807098386092008-01-04T12:24:00.000+00:002008-01-04T12:24:00.000+00:00Eddie: Should we send a deputation of the good and...Eddie: Should we send a deputation of the good and the great to assist? On your reading of this very sad but vibrant post we could dispatch Lord Malloch-Brown. Perhaps with Shitty Varda (she can't speak english but would be a token black, and female to boot)assisted by Peter Hain (Orange man from South Africa (covers all sorts of helpful backgrounds) and perhaps Shaun Woodwards butler?<BR/>Whadoya think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65925220718985392482008-01-04T12:19:00.000+00:002008-01-04T12:19:00.000+00:00This post definitely leaves a nasty taste in the m...This post definitely leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85458579381109706262008-01-04T11:51:00.000+00:002008-01-04T11:51:00.000+00:00The tone of this post makes me highly suspicious -...The tone of this post makes me highly suspicious - did the writer ask for your friend's bank account number so he could get his money out of the country?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29416984122536059742008-01-04T11:30:00.000+00:002008-01-04T11:30:00.000+00:00Is Eddie quite mad? Iain's post racist? Ugh, Edd...Is Eddie quite mad? Iain's post racist? Ugh, Eddie's post is lily-livered liberalism at its worst. <BR/><BR/>How long will it take people like Eddie realise that for most part, Africa, like the Middle East is tribal and corrupt? Corruption on a scale that makes Italy look like slow learners. The rest of Africa has stood by in tacit approval as Mugabe has raped and pillaged Zimbabwe and all West can do is wring their hands in beat their chests in apology for 'colonialism' and not do a damn thing. The whole thing stinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67871515299663081332008-01-04T11:12:00.000+00:002008-01-04T11:12:00.000+00:00This should make us cherish what we have but I fea...This should make us cherish what we have but I fear it won't. <BR/><BR/>With regards to asylum I think we should be afraid. But yes, the bloody do-gooders will want to import the lot on the Victorian assumption (long since exposed as utterly naive) that once given the example of our culture they will immediately change. Like the leopard.Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64696531129500833912008-01-04T10:45:00.000+00:002008-01-04T10:45:00.000+00:00There you go- it's pure 'bongo bongo land' out the...There you go- it's pure 'bongo bongo land' out there (as with the middle east)! Just the sort of people Labour think will make good citizens once they apply for asylum or immigration! I for one will just continue to ignore them! Dialogue with Africa and the middle east should only start once they evolve from their current cro-magnon state. Wait for it- kenya aid concert to be shown on BBC1 later on in the year. Yuk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39535705221139514542008-01-04T10:39:00.000+00:002008-01-04T10:39:00.000+00:00All this comment about 'racism' is very interestin...All this comment about 'racism' is very interesting. Any views about Tribalism?<BR/><BR/>What we're witnessing here is, simply, tribal warfare with a remarkably thin veneer of 'democracy'.<BR/><BR/>I don't think this is anything new. It's been the history of Africa, anyway. There are few countries on the African continent where real democracy in a Western sense actually exists.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53064035179677395282008-01-04T10:12:00.000+00:002008-01-04T10:12:00.000+00:00I'm sorry Ian, but this post is not helping the si...I'm sorry Ian, but this post is not helping the situation and it demeans your blog. I don't deny that the things mentioned are happening (I've spent 13 of the last twenty years in Africa and I'm far from naive about the place) but the lack of balance and blatant racism of this piece are a far cry from your usual standards. <BR/><BR/>Do yourself a favour and remove it.leddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08844547375595007385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44217004242369226182008-01-04T09:53:00.000+00:002008-01-04T09:53:00.000+00:00Of course, it could never happen here. After all, ...Of course, it could never happen here. <BR/><BR/>After all, there is no tribal voting, or mass electoral rigging, or incitement to murder in Liebours multicultural England.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53811804350323105682008-01-04T09:49:00.000+00:002008-01-04T09:49:00.000+00:00Of course the PC brigade, liberals etc will be in ...Of course the PC brigade, liberals etc will be in total denial that this kind of behaviour is par for the course in Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69446615927870896492008-01-04T09:17:00.000+00:002008-01-04T09:17:00.000+00:00I have to be honest and say I'm not sure that this...I have to be honest and say I'm not sure that this racist tirade (and attitude) is doing much to help the situation in Kenya. <BR/><BR/>Both the Luos and the Kikuyus are acting as badly as each other - as is the way with tribal warfare. Unfortunately, forgive me for relying on an old adage, it is the victors who will write the history books.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I am not sure how the situation will be resolved. If a re-election is called and Odinga wins, then Kibaki and his supporters will be up in arms claiming a rigged result and we're back where we started.nuttycowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10404690160646306404noreply@blogger.com