tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5020226928580924938..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Why Cameron Is Centering on Public Disquiet About PoliticiansIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17569242890335972412008-03-01T12:06:00.000+00:002008-03-01T12:06:00.000+00:00Newmania said... "This amendment has a real chance...<B>Newmania said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"This amendment has a real chance of passing if the Lib Dems and the Conservatives support it"<BR/><BR/>Interesting, but they won't; and if some do, most will make sure they they support the politicians eu-gravy train.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Anonymous said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"To claim to have medals, and then decry a non-pseudonymos anon as lacking bravery is ridiculous." <BR/><BR/>When we get rid of the lib/lab/cons and the likes of you are arrested for treason we shall see how brave you are in face of your punishment. Ideally it will be televised.<BR/><BR/><B>Paddy Briggs said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"Verity: What a truly vile post even by your mucky standards. Is it your inention to stir up racial hatred between the indigenous people and the rest? mmmmm I suppose that it is. You should be ashamed."<BR/><BR/>What Verity said is entirely true. English people are flooding out of this country whenever they can. Most of those staying only do so because they must. Do you really believe the imbecilic rubbish you post?<BR/><BR/><B>Verity</B><BR/><BR/>I don't know if there are any figures but there have certainly been news reports of Indian professionals abanding the cesspit that England has become and moving to India.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31185837256625547582008-02-29T20:27:00.000+00:002008-02-29T20:27:00.000+00:00Paddy 4.30pmThis thread has undoubtedly gone miles...Paddy 4.30pm<BR/><BR/>This thread has undoubtedly gone miles off-topic, which probably disappoints Iain but:<BR/><BR/>Though you may not agree with Verity's politics, though you may loath her and everything she posts, "Don't shoot the messenger". She may live in Mexico but she accurately reports what many people are quite happy to say out loud even if you won't hear them saying it on the BBC or read their words in the Guardian. There is great resentment around in Britain today for more or less the reasons Verity has stated in many posts. It may be utterly deplorable, we can surely agree there, but it's fact.<BR/><BR/>For better or worse the people who are getting the blame are the political elite in all main parties. When the public also begins to feel that it is being ripped off, as well as messed about, it's not surprising that many don't bother to vote, others are tempted to vote for thugs and some decide to go and live elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>If people who think they are well meaning keep their heads buried in the sand we won't be able to turn this one round, which we must if we don't all want to end up living in a hell-hole. Some people are already forced to do that though probably only a minority of us who post here. So this means all sorts of uncomfortable rethinking and a good place to start is 'Spanish Practices' in Parliament. That's only a start though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66524254102535114522008-02-29T16:30:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:30:00.000+00:00We are also seeing a flood of our own people, the ...<I> We are also seeing a flood of our own people, the indigenous British, selling up, packing up their chattels and their genius and giving up on Britain. </I><BR/><BR/>Verity: What a truly vile post even by your mucky standards. Is it your inention to stir up racial hatred between the indigenous people and the rest? mmmmm I suppose that it is. You should be ashamed.Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50981471784481409062008-02-29T09:26:00.000+00:002008-02-29T09:26:00.000+00:00Henry - you say "And please, I really don't think ...Henry - you say "And please, I really don't think this is a site infested with ultra-right wing headbanging bigots." Read the rest of this thread! <BR/><BR/>The Conservatives depend on people like you and me to continue engaging on sites like this - if the blogosphere were left to the rabid bigots, they would not stand a chance of being elected. <BR/><BR/>An example of ignorance is the continuing peddling of £110bn support of NR as "spending". An outright lie, attempting to perpetuate ignorance of the actual situation.<BR/><BR/>Grass roots? Stifling weeds more like. Weak minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28470048919665836732008-02-29T09:03:00.000+00:002008-02-29T09:03:00.000+00:00How on earth has this thread become a dumping grou...How on earth has this thread become a dumping ground for speculation about Indians and Jews and indigines? It's about Cam having a bad day at the tap dancing coal face while Gordon finds a bit of rhythm. Cam was crap. Second week in a row.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12180075284886726472008-02-29T01:09:00.000+00:002008-02-29T01:09:00.000+00:00Newmania - WHAT??? ..."parts of that invasion act ...Newmania - <I>WHAT???</I> ...<BR/><BR/>"parts of that invasion act with the cultural arrogance of the British in India ..". <BR/><BR/>As I made clear viz my reference to NRIs, that I referred to Indians who had settled in - and contributed to - Britain and may be now moving away. There was no reference, direct or allusive, to the British administration of India which ended 60 years ago, for God's sake! We are discussing the 21st Century here!<BR/><BR/>YOur following paragraphs are apt, though. Yes, it it ethnic cleansing by the government of the people it is ethnically cleansing, which has got to be a first. <BR/><BR/>I believe that Harriet Harman, Dianne Abbott and the rest of the fat socialist slags do not send their children to Labour disinformation centres, aka "schools".<BR/><BR/>This is why I asked about figures for our Indian immigrants - specifically those wealth-creators whose parents/grandparents were kicked out by that great genius Idi Amin - deserting Britain and going to India (which they have a right to do as NRIs) or taking their entrepreneurialism, their law abiding habits, their discipline in learning - elsewhere. Perhaps it's not just us that are being swilled out of our own country but Indians, too. And how many Jews have left for Israel since the stench of New Labour blew in under the national door?<BR/><BR/>I have a feeling it's not just the clever indigenes they want out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79804711599509960062008-02-29T01:02:00.000+00:002008-02-29T01:02:00.000+00:00"red-faced minority" Aren't they Guardian readers?..."red-faced minority" Aren't they Guardian readers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30976915830240490242008-02-29T00:34:00.000+00:002008-02-29T00:34:00.000+00:00Verity I agree with you that the rate of immigrati...Verity I agree with you that the rate of immigration is more like an invasion than anything else and parts of that invasion act with the cultural arrogance of the British in India .. ( with rather more excuse).<BR/><BR/><B>LABOUR`s ETHNIC CLEANSING</B><BR/> Labour are 15% behind in the SE and that includes red/immigrant London .I have wondered about the extent to which Labour are ‘ethnically cleansing ’ the white English from the South as much as they can. Labour are trying to build us out of London”… said a ‘well know Tory ‘,recently and of the 3 million homes to be built in the SE 1million if them according to govt, figures ( quoted by N Soames MP and unchallenged ) will be taken by immigrants not yet here . <BR/>This is the shape of the future though .The top ten authorities with the highest percentage of pupils whose first language is not English :1 Tower Hamlets: 75% 2 Newham: 71% 3 Westminster: 69% 4 City of London: 65% 5 Brent: 58% 6 Camden: 58% 7 Hackney: 54% 8 Ealing: 54% 9 Haringey: 53% 10 Kensington and Chelsea: 52%.You can bet no Labour MP sends their children to school anywhere where they are failing to cope with eight languages .<BR/><BR/><BR/>If it cannot be called ethnic cleansing it is certainly a deliberate ethnic attack on the English for crude political motives. I wonder if we can expect thios point to be made in the Forthcoming BBC series “ White” ………d`ya think ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38483697965338877442008-02-29T00:03:00.000+00:002008-02-29T00:03:00.000+00:00As Dicovered Joys notes: "The war on drugs - jobs...As Dicovered Joys notes: "The war on drugs - jobs for the boys. The war on terror - form an orderly queue at the airport. Cash for honours - you can't prove anything. Political funding - gosh, a clerical error. MPs expenses - don't trouble your pretty little heads."<BR/><BR/>I would add the country whose citizens are under the most intense electronic surveillance in the world. More intense than Russia or China. I would add the plan for universal identity cards. I would add losing CDs containing the personal financial details of millions of British citizens. I would add the inability to bang up murderers, rapists and paedophiles because the prisons, disgracefully, are full. I would add not securing our own borders and being forced, by our own government, to accept, unopposed, an alien invasion in the socialist cause of the unwanted and mad "multiculturalism" - an invasion by people adhering to a primitive belief system incompatible with an advanced, secular Western society. An invasion, if I'm not wrong, larger than the Norman invasion, which at least the Normans won fair the square and they brought with them a vast portmanteau of new words that enhanced our language, posh cooking and fancy foreign ways and attitudes that we found intriguing. <BR/><BR/>The contrast is heartbreaking.<BR/><BR/>We are also seeing a flood of our own people, the indigenous British, selling up, packing up their chattels and their genius and giving up on Britain. (I would be interested also, in fact, in the number of professional and entrepreneurial Indian NRIs leaving either to go to the US or Canada, or to return to the drive, energy and dynamism of the economy of India. I wonder if those figures are available.) <BR/><BR/>Britain feels moribund. Slagged out. And all in eleven short years. It feels like forever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60183902771827440322008-02-28T23:56:00.000+00:002008-02-28T23:56:00.000+00:00Your first line is a load of bunkum. How on earth ...Your first line is a load of bunkum. How on earth you come up with that figure is beyond parody. You are treating office costs as income. So staff wages are income for an MP now are they? YeGods.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58143001903762409402008-02-28T23:54:00.000+00:002008-02-28T23:54:00.000+00:00Undercurrents are important and not to be ignored....Undercurrents are important and not to be ignored.<BR/><BR/>The average MP is raking in 200,000 a year. Their second homes are subsidised in a country where many people are going to the wall trying to buy one.<BR/><BR/>Ask any man in the street about 'Speaker Martin'. The reply is a shrug and, 'they're all at it'. So, not only do we become more cynical, we also become more critical.<BR/><BR/>People are finally asking: Isn't it about time MP's had some proper qualifications? Do we really need some 600 MP's? Certainly I'm not alone in having a local MP I never voted for and doesn't turn up for work half the time. <BR/><BR/>Are MP's even professional? Recent ramblings - from HIPS to Prozac - shows they don't have a clue about how the rest of us live. And while they are employing a 13 year old son or an aged mother as a researcher, they are never likely to be any the wiser. The average blogger is better informed than the average MP and usually has something more meaningful to say. Actually, every day. So who needs the House of Commons?<BR/><BR/>Cameron is a good person to ask questions. He doesn't need the money like the gravy grubbing Blairs. We've reached a point now where you really don't want to vote for anyone - they are all so tainted and discredited. I'm not alone in wanting the Taxpayer's Alliance to form a party. Particularly after Northern Wreck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53200140269677061372008-02-28T23:24:00.000+00:002008-02-28T23:24:00.000+00:00anon 1.26 pm"The Mail website had about 18 million...anon 1.26 pm<BR/><BR/>"The Mail website had about 18 million unique users last month"<BR/><BR/>Impossible!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65401401634156136512008-02-28T22:50:00.000+00:002008-02-28T22:50:00.000+00:00Re: BlairI agree that there are disturbing echoes ...Re: Blair<BR/><BR/>I agree that there are disturbing echoes of Blair in what Dave is trying to do - but that's not a real surprise is it??Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44700960827314390132008-02-28T22:25:00.000+00:002008-02-28T22:25:00.000+00:00There is simply no excuse for direct robbery of th...There is simply no excuse for direct robbery of the public purse. MPs wages are already generous enough for anyone with an ounce of public spirit in their being.<BR/><BR/>Cameron has a WIN WIN situation here he would be mad not to exploit as much as he possibly can. He certainly does not NEED the extra cash personally. Neither does the vast amount of his PP. Any more is just GREED.<BR/><BR/>This is all about straight forward fraud of the tax payer. Inspired by Whips Office control freakery.<BR/><BR/>Its not about other forms of corruption self interest and graft.<BR/><BR/>These are also vitally important issues as well. But they are a different issue, far harder to sort out, and can wait for another day.<BR/><BR/>Insisting on complete honesty when claiming expenses should be one of the simplest tasks David Cameron can perform as Leader of the Conservative Party. <BR/><BR/>Doing so with no if and no buts, as he well should know, would bugger up the Labour Party for generations to come. <BR/><BR/>Who have clearly believed they could,( because they already have,) carry on getting away with literally bloody murder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49364050828195483652008-02-28T22:16:00.000+00:002008-02-28T22:16:00.000+00:00The great fact of the last ten years is this . The...The great fact of the last ten years is this . The Labour Party was a mass movement that lost half its members , with that and the decline of the unions it needed money and it stole it by selling honours and favours. The Conservative party are at all times ready for open donations only up to limit £50 k . No exceptions. That is all there is to be said and yet there is still noise .Other than wondering who is paying for it , I have less than no interest<BR/><BR/><B>Anon</B> - I `m sorry I was hasty in being unkind to you . I see from your last remarks you may well be what they call ‘educationally subnormal’. I should feel sorry for you, but I get so easily bored…... <BR/><BR/><B>Paddy</B> I am not impressed with this side show but I do not share your confidence it will not work. When Labour ran an election campaign on the back of the "symbol" of Jamie Bulger, a Pandora’s box of infantile gestures was opened .. and then 'She was ..was she not ...the people’s princess.'<BR/>Cameron is as yet only dipping a toe into the open sewer of insulting pre literate and faintly Latin iconography. Labour encourage the English to confuse the symbol and the fact. Cameron is the soul of restraint by comparison and it is at least symbolic of real political corruption. Personally I detest this road labour have lead us down ,though. Poor show Cameron but hardly on par with the barbaric leering oafs of sentiment oppositeNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27526197577380267902008-02-28T21:30:00.000+00:002008-02-28T21:30:00.000+00:00simply from my own expeience.. 1997 Everyone wante...simply from my own expeience..<BR/><BR/> 1997 Everyone wanted the Tories out. Sleeze ridden and bankrupt of ideas.. reduced to 'citizens charter'and 'Dangerous dogs' and guns. OUT OUT OUT.<BR/><BR/>The first Labour parliament was a success. Things FELT better, and even if they weren't they were certainly no worse.<BR/><BR/>However once the tory spending plans were abandoned by Mr Bean it all started to go wrong.<BR/> The initial spending on hospitals and schools WAS necessary and welcome. The increase of teachers, doctors and nurses pay; also overdue and necessary.<BR/><BR/> But, the drunken sailor PFI / privatisation spending without any attempts at real reform and just the maniac McBroon's constant 'target driven' agenda has lead directly to ruin. <BR/><BR/> Education , Educazion, Edjukashion.<BR/>tough on crime , tough on looking like tough on crime. <BR/><BR/>All utter garbage. <BR/><BR/>So crime and welfare payments rose as fast as taxes and new laws. Yet what is really better in the UK than 10 years ago?<BR/><BR/>The constant media manipulation , false announcements and downright lies are what have brought ordinary people to despise the whole NEW LABOUR third way mumbo-jumbo.<BR/> Topped off with snouts in the trough and total disregard for the law people ARE angry. <BR/><BR/> What has happened is the very people who enabled Mr Blair to win his historic election victories no longer support the clearly failed tax and spend and stuff policies of New Labour.<BR/><BR/> Labour isn't working is a campaign poster that I would not hesitate to use with a long line of ASBO hoodies, speed cameras, and soldiers graves snaking into the distance.<BR/><BR/> The cupboard is as bare of ideas as it is of cash. 10 years after real reform should have begun, it is being 'examined'. <BR/> TOO LATE.. TOO LATE.. <BR/><BR/> What matters is what always matters.<BR/><BR/> Fuel, food , education , crime healthcare, security , transport, taxes , foreign policy and the economy.<BR/><BR/>Out of 10 Mr Brown how many would you say are going well..?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23538037848714027982008-02-28T21:05:00.000+00:002008-02-28T21:05:00.000+00:00Anon 6:50 PMThanks for the kind words, but I'm su...Anon 6:50 PM<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the kind words, but I'm sure if we sat down over a beer and talked politics we would both quickly conclude that the other is totally misguided!<BR/><BR/>For what it's worth I don't accept your position that the Tory party "stands for ignorance and patronage and not much else". Right now I would accept that a great deal less than usual, but I'm happy to agree to differ. I have plenty of friends who vote 'anything but Tory' as well as friends who vote the same way as I do. While I certainly think that Labour has totally lost the plot now and that much that has happened since 1997 reflects no credit on anyone, I certainly don't go in for wholesale demonisation. And I'm far too busy to go round hating people I disagree with.<BR/><BR/>And please, I really don't think this is a site infested with ultra-right wing headbanging bigots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51197130326574946382008-02-28T20:48:00.000+00:002008-02-28T20:48:00.000+00:00@ Paddy Briggs"But, thank goodness, it won't work ...@ Paddy Briggs<BR/><BR/><I>"But, thank goodness, it won't work here."</I><BR/><BR/>Worked perfectly for Blair.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47270838983974169342008-02-28T20:11:00.000+00:002008-02-28T20:11:00.000+00:00One difference between now and the 70s and 80s is ...One difference between now and the 70s and 80s is that public debate in the mainstream media (newspapers and TV) appears to be lacking the passion that once existed. Arguably the politicians and media are complicit in 'not rocking the boat'.<BR/><BR/>Where are the passionate calls for change? How do people agitate for change? We get palmed off with reviews which don't deliver and fixed in advance commissions. We get sound bite politics re-announcing last year's initiatives. Politicians (of all main parties) like to pretend that you can have change where everybody wins and there are no losers.<BR/><BR/>There are no 'must see' satirical programs (bring back 'Spitting Image'), there are few newspaper campaigns aimed at more than minor changes to processes so that 'it can never happen again'.<BR/><BR/>I suggest that the public are frustrated at being unable to articulate their views on important matters. The Iraq war - kicked into touch. The war on drugs - jobs for the boys. The war on terror - form an orderly queue at the airport. Cash for honours - you can't prove anything. Political funding - gosh, a clerical error. MPs expenses - don't trouble your pretty little heads.<BR/><BR/>Any politician that can take the current frustration and build it into a powerful force for change will bulldoze the Westminster Village. I believe that this is necessary if the country is to get through the catastrophic (no hyperbole) problems we are to face in the next 10 years. If the Tories can do this, then they will get my vote and support.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29941454875840234682008-02-28T19:59:00.000+00:002008-02-28T19:59:00.000+00:00anonymous 3 01pm.No not Verity - but she certainly...anonymous 3 01pm.<BR/><BR/>No not Verity - but she certainly writes more sense in one sentence than you do in all your anonymous scrawls.<BR/><BR/>Inner City Riots.I ask you!<BR/><BR/>Brixton! Liverpool!Bristol. all pockets contained in certain area's all brought about by police attempting to uphold the drugs laws!<BR/><BR/>Oldham (not a city) Burnley.Bradford possible<BR/>race riots mostly asian youths.<BR/><BR/>Hardly every city and town. Not a case of universal public disenchantment on a single subject.<BR/><BR/>You say you have voted for "every main political party" You certainly know your mind, old bean dont you!<BR/><BR/>As for 'insulting the word brave' you do not know what the word means.<BR/>Sadly I do and I thank the Lord I never had to have the likes of you alongside me!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25539400330817092762008-02-28T19:27:00.001+00:002008-02-28T19:27:00.001+00:00Transparency Transparency Transparency errrrrrr.O...Transparency Transparency Transparency errrrrrr.<BR/><BR/>Only last week the full disclosure was made of monies paid to political parties in the previous financial quarter.<BR/><BR/>Funny but the Tories list still contained huge sums of cash from the CCS ( Coleshill Campaigning Service ), now known as The Constituency Campaigning Services Board, donated in excess of 40K to the Tories each Qtr last year. And since 2004 have coughed up over £1m<BR/><BR/>This shadowy organisation donate cash to the Tories via proxy. Each Quarterly donation of 40K is from smaller individual donations. These are lumped in as one. And we do not know who those individuals are <BR/><BR/>Check it out yourself<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regdonregulateddonee.cfm?ec=%7Bts%20%272008%2D02%2D28%2019%3A18%3A34%27%7D<BR/><BR/>Select all then search for Coleshill to see donationsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43539592147744552172008-02-28T19:27:00.000+00:002008-02-28T19:27:00.000+00:00WHATFirst Cambo was a whole sale moderniser, then ...WHAT<BR/><BR/>First Cambo was a whole sale moderniser, then morphed into a environmentalist, quickly followed by traditional moderniser, followed by hard core Tory with tendencies towards the modern.<BR/><BR/>Honestly I couldnt tell you which Cameron is – but it does seem that the chameleon label is very apt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83927686815337516512008-02-28T19:03:00.000+00:002008-02-28T19:03:00.000+00:00It seems to me that there is a major fault line be...It seems to me that there is a major fault line between the House of Commons and the country.<BR/><BR/>H of C seems to be living in a world which is 40 years out of date. It is a world where receipts need not be given for expenses, because they are considered tantamount to a salary. Also, the people who are popular seem to be able to get away with an awful lot. Whereas those who are less popular have less tolerance shown towards their foibles.<BR/><BR/>At the same time H of C has imposed rules, regulations and laws on the rest of us which mean we cannot have expenses without receipts and are treated ruthlessly, if our conduct puts us in breach of regulations, regardless of whether we are popular or not.<BR/><BR/>Looming over all of this is are professional and strong police forces which is obliged to investigate any crime. <BR/><BR/>H of C is also losing a lot of power to Brussels.<BR/><BR/>H of C is losing powers just at the time when the police feel strong enough to “collar” miscreant Members of Parliament. It is a dangerous time for Members of Parliament. I have always thought that UK Parliamentarians have been very lucky, so far. The post-Cold war history of France and Italy is one of almost constant fights between individual politicians and investigating authorities. That situation may now be developing here.<BR/><BR/>The public will not tolerate “Spanish Practices” in the H of C, not least because we have had 29 years of the H of C attacking such practises among the miners, solicitors, print workers etc. etc. <BR/><BR/>David Cameron is right to raise this issue, although his performance on Wednesday was clumsy because he failed to stop Brown hiding behind the H of C every time he answered a question ie Brown would say “The House has already agreed that.” Cameron should have replied “What is your personal view, Prime Minister?”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92085592462015227942008-02-28T19:02:00.000+00:002008-02-28T19:02:00.000+00:00"Cameron is going to try to run as the change cand...<B>"Cameron is going to try to run as the change candidate who stands against the shadowy, sleazy old ways of Westminster".</B><BR/><BR/>All too easy isn't it? Pick a target that the masses hold in contempt (Politicians, the European Union... whatever) find a platform where this appeal to ignorance and prejudice can be expressed. Get the RaRa brigade along to cheer you. "Win" the debate and drink in the applause and then move on. It's the Lynton Crosby approach to political success. But, thank goodness, it won't work here.Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54208035535781465032008-02-28T18:50:00.000+00:002008-02-28T18:50:00.000+00:00Daily referendumI've re-considered my words and wo...Daily referendum<BR/>I've re-considered my words and would go further.<BR/>Real bravery is not to be found in self-serving "pseudonyms" like Strapworld - I doubt that persons credentials in any case. Many people have lost their lives in recent years fighting for dubious causes in the service of this country. To claim to have medals, and then decry a non-pseudonymos anon as lacking bravery is ridiculous. <BR/><BR/>Newmania is a parody of a right wing "white-flight" bigot. Henry Rogers seems sensible, but is drowned out by the appalling crowing that is contributing to the fact that we don't have a proper opposition. <BR/><BR/>Henry, of course it's unsettling to see a party ahead in the polls that stands for ignorance and patronage and not much else.<BR/><BR/>I get angry - about idiot remarks like the virtually anonymous "strapworld", and his so-called "brave" friends. If he really did defend this country, the enemy can't have been up to much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com