tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post463238808476059814..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Mandela: Right Sentiments, Wrong CountryIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63292565857337304022008-07-12T02:31:00.000+01:002008-07-12T02:31:00.000+01:00Mandela's legacy is[url=http://groups.msn.com/crim...Mandela's legacy is[url=http://groups.msn.com/crimebustersofsouthafrica/_whatsnew.msnw]RSA today [/url]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17850548954341597862008-06-28T08:40:00.000+01:002008-06-28T08:40:00.000+01:00I'm sure there's a lot that Nelson Mandela can lea...I'm sure there's a lot that Nelson Mandela can learn from you, Iain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52229148756740721902008-06-27T15:19:00.000+01:002008-06-27T15:19:00.000+01:00Africa is a total basket case lead by a bunch of s...Africa is a total basket case lead by a bunch of self-serving and thoroughly corrupt hoodlums who couldn't muster any part of a backbone between them and with varying degrees of psychotic tendancies. Quite why any of them should be expected to speak against Mugabe defies te logic of being an African 'Leader'. They just don't know the difference between right and wrong. They never did and they never will. I'm for cutting off their water supply lock, stock and both barrels and let them return to the stone age where most of them clearly belong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54203999609252390892008-06-27T12:36:00.000+01:002008-06-27T12:36:00.000+01:00AfricanMumPleased to hear everythings going well n...<B>AfricanMum</B><BR/><BR/>Pleased to hear everythings going well now that the evil white colonialists no longer have to pay to look after the place. Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24768682765690679532008-06-27T09:03:00.000+01:002008-06-27T09:03:00.000+01:00Lol...nice one Yak40.Lol...nice one Yak40.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13989914374977293442008-06-27T06:49:00.000+01:002008-06-27T06:49:00.000+01:00On land distribution, from Thatcher's day till 199...<I>On land distribution, from Thatcher's day till 1998</I><BR/><BR/>Seriously, as late as that ? Seemed to me things were more or less stable until he started to see some real opposition emerge, which is what you're saying I suppose !!<BR/><BR/>I was there in the early 90s and the place was very prosperous, they were building grain elevators as fast as they could to store the maize that was in huge, really huge, piles of bags covered with tarps at the GMB depots. Tobacco farmers were doing very well too, mostly exporting to the far east.<BR/><BR/>So sad to read about its current plight, what an awful waste.<BR/><BR/><I>that knighthood must've been given to Bob when he was busy butchering Shonas </I><BR/><BR/>You mean Ndebele, right ? When he sicked his NK/Chinese trained stormtroopers on Nkomo's people shortly after independence.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59915121650926757242008-06-26T22:05:00.000+01:002008-06-26T22:05:00.000+01:00On land distribution, from Thatcher's day till 199...On land distribution, from Thatcher's day till 1998, negotiations were carrying on quietly as per the Lancaster House agreement, progress was being made. Then Blair's govt decided to pull the plug on negotiation. Then the MDC guys broke away from ZANU-PF and some white tobacco growers, sorry, farmers, appeared to shift loyalty to MDC, which led to the rash actions in 2000. Same people are now happily settled in Nigeria and other African countries where they're getting on with their lives and surrounding natives aren't actually eating each other, and show more courtesy to one another than you'd see on British streets. <BR/>And other African leaders would've warmed to Morgan Tsangarai (sorry can't spell his name correctly) if they didn't think his MDC was financed by Western countries, and he didn't have trade union/Arthur Scargill type of policies. Also, it'd had been nice if he sought refuge in the embassy of another African country and not the Dutch embassy - hence giving Mugabe more propaganda mileage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78192054915018568262008-06-26T21:52:00.000+01:002008-06-26T21:52:00.000+01:00Niconoclast, you're talking absolute rubbish. I th...Niconoclast, you're talking absolute rubbish. I thought people like you were extinct. Yes, Mugabe's actions are embarassing. It'd be great if he was remembered for setting up a great education system, and not remembered for this. It wasn't that great when Ian Smith and his mob were in charge either. If you were mixed race, you had to live in an orphanage as that was the only way you could see both your parents. People questioned in police custody had their testicles mangled in barber's clippers. One mixed race lady said she could never dream of owning her own home but for Mugabe. So things aren't as black & white as the media would portray it. And that knighthood must've been given to Bob when he was busy butchering Shonas before he turned on white tobacco growers (who were all happy to donate money to ZANU-PF till he talked of land distribution). And African leaders would have been condemning him in private, they just don't believe in compounding the shame we all feel at Mugabe by quarrelling in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6112523379966746332008-06-26T20:27:00.000+01:002008-06-26T20:27:00.000+01:00tories - sheeshtories - sheeshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64148455853955399192008-06-26T20:10:00.000+01:002008-06-26T20:10:00.000+01:00Dear Mr Iain Dale,This is a plea for help. I have ...Dear Mr Iain Dale,<BR/><BR/>This is a plea for help. I have become the recipient of a large amount of cash, 340 million Euros but I cannot launder it. I look to you, as an honest citizen, along with your illustrious Boris Johnson (a true friend of the European man) to assist me in transferring large ammounts of money into your bank account. All you have to do is provide me with the account details, and your secret password and I can transfer many of this money. I can guarantee you will get 20% of this money as a symbol of your kindness and potency.<BR/><BR/>Yours frankly<BR/><BR/>Peter Mandelsonofabitch<BR/><BR/>PS Pleas tell no one about this, especially Nigel Farage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63738076483017654402008-06-26T17:48:00.000+01:002008-06-26T17:48:00.000+01:00Well said Adam. Our media always make it a simplis...Well said Adam. Our media always make it a simplistic story of goodies v baddies IMandela has ben made into the former & ex-Sir Robert Mugabe the latter though it seems certain that even in an honest election he would get as high a % of the vote as anybody winning a British election).<BR/><BR/>I don't see that our sanctions are likely to help anybody & talking about trying Mugabe as a war criminal is guaranteed to make him refuse to give up power.<BR/><BR/>I could come up with a very long list of Brits more clearly guilty of war crimes if such trials were about law not power.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43699401602203996002008-06-26T17:14:00.000+01:002008-06-26T17:14:00.000+01:00Hang Nelson Mandela!Hang Nelson Mandela!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21758140904381710082008-06-26T16:47:00.000+01:002008-06-26T16:47:00.000+01:00iain, you appear to be ill-informed."Mr Mandela ma...iain, you appear to be ill-informed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Mr Mandela made it clear in 2004 that he would no longer intervene publicly in politics.<BR/><BR/> But his words will be an embarrassment for the South African President, Thabo Mbeki, whose mediation efforts on Zimbabwe have been criticised by the chairman of southern Africa's regional bloc and by Mr Tsvangirai."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85196154397481415352008-06-26T16:22:00.000+01:002008-06-26T16:22:00.000+01:00I guess you could say that Mandela is sort of the ...I guess you could say that Mandela is sort of the junior partner in the struggle against minority rule. After all, he was in prison when Mugabe was fighting against Smith. Mugabe certainly feels he was the trailblazer- maybe there's some sort of lingering respect thing going on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9108909558922517762008-06-26T15:45:00.000+01:002008-06-26T15:45:00.000+01:00Unfortunately Mandela has demonstarted the same ti...Unfortunately Mandela has demonstarted the same timing on this as he did with AIDS in South Africa. <BR/>People die whilst he makes up his mind. <BR/>British intervention still backfires in Africa.<BR/>Until African leaders stand up to Mugabe, he will get away with it.<BR/>The next generation in SA do seem to be interested in fighting the new battles instead of the old. They are the only hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11775261338181946252008-06-26T15:17:00.000+01:002008-06-26T15:17:00.000+01:00Didn't Thatcher call Mandela a terrorist? Don't re...Didn't Thatcher call Mandela a terrorist? Don't recall her comments on torture, violent beatings or murders in South Africa under apartheid. Nothing about intimidation at the ballot box or vote rigging. Nada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70839722164955547932008-06-26T15:11:00.000+01:002008-06-26T15:11:00.000+01:00I suspect the real reason for Mandela's reticence ...I suspect the real reason for Mandela's reticence is shame. Or less charitably, fear that the world would remember he has the odd massacre under his belt himself (yes, AFTER he came out of prison). That would take the shine off St Nelson's final years.<BR/><BR/>Mandela ordered ANC thugs to shoot to kill at a passing IFP parade in 1994. 19 people were murdered following his initiation of the infamous Shell House Massacre. <BR/><BR/>The Truth and Reconicilation Commission later dismissed as specious the 'excuse' that the ANC feared the parade would attack its headquarters - as if that would have been a justification anyway.<BR/><BR/>Of course, as the wrong sort of black died the story withered on the vine. If it had been a centre-rightist rather than an ally of the SA Communist Party who ordered the murdered, the media would still be hanging it around his neck every day.<BR/><BR/>Read about it from the Independent "Mandela: Why I gave shoot to kill order" at http://tinyurl.com/5lfaqfF T P Topcliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12592371008481554385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11524955224389921102008-06-26T15:10:00.000+01:002008-06-26T15:10:00.000+01:00Oh, I think we could stretch to a little humanitar...Oh, I think we could stretch to a little humanitarian intervention.<BR/><BR/>As long as it is self-financing. We've spent enough British money and lives* liberating people from dictators for one decade.<BR/><BR/>so that means concessionary mineral rights etc. <BR/><BR/>In other words, re-colonisation...<BR/><BR/>maybe we should leave it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>*considering that the 'war veterans' (which war? and when? Aren't veterans meant to have fought in a war? And be, you know, over 12?) are armed with sticks and sharpened slices of mango, we wouldn't have quite the problems we're having in Iraq, but with fuel the price it is someone has to pay the airfare and <I>we can't afford it</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41007529256289228582008-06-26T14:58:00.000+01:002008-06-26T14:58:00.000+01:00Anon @ 11.03"Is that guy niconoclast for real?"I'd...Anon @ 11.03<BR/><BR/>"Is that guy niconoclast for real?"<BR/><BR/>I'd say niconoclast has got it spot on. Does that upset you Anon @ 11.03? <BR/><BR/>Personally, I always thought they should have hung Comrade Mandela, would have saved everyone a lot of grief in the long run.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, Smith and his boys screwed up when thay let Comrade Mugabe survive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44727959516950507762008-06-26T14:55:00.000+01:002008-06-26T14:55:00.000+01:00Notice he didn't say which leader he was referring...Notice he didn't say which leader he was referring to. All we know it was someone in Zimbabwe. Maybe he meant Tsvangirai and not Mugabe at all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33984082540581555762008-06-26T13:49:00.000+01:002008-06-26T13:49:00.000+01:00The Sun says "Mandela slams tyrant Mugabe " erm.. ...The Sun says "Mandela slams tyrant Mugabe " <BR/><BR/>erm.. no actuallyBill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86915132473607652562008-06-26T13:44:00.000+01:002008-06-26T13:44:00.000+01:00Just wanted to register my agreement, too. Was und...Just wanted to register my agreement, too. Was underwhelmed at first when I heard his comments reported. Then confused as to why it was being reported as the damning condemnation the world was waiting for. It was at best lame and at worst cowardly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75811425233921360022008-06-26T13:37:00.000+01:002008-06-26T13:37:00.000+01:00Surprise ?What was his and his ANC's prescription ...Surprise ?<BR/><BR/>What was his and his ANC's prescription for SA that got him locked up in the first place ?<BR/><BR/>First Zim<BR/>Next SA<BR/>Then Botswana or Namibia....<BR/><BR/>It'll take a few years but the rot has already started tho' you won't see it in the newspapers.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64894689960619811812008-06-26T12:56:00.000+01:002008-06-26T12:56:00.000+01:00I agree totally.It doesn't often happen, so I thou...I agree totally.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't often happen, so I thought it worth saying so.Boggohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837944462851466424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32366911607999298962008-06-26T12:51:00.000+01:002008-06-26T12:51:00.000+01:00The significance is not what Mandela said but that...The significance is not what Mandela said but that he said anything: Like a dog walking on its hind legs - the wonder is not that it does it well but that it does it at all. The British media may have gone overboard in how they reported it but it won't go unnoticed in Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com