tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4409209333501480641..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Ban Smoking or Leave Smokers AloneIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20872347110922986262009-03-11T14:38:00.000+00:002009-03-11T14:38:00.000+00:00I think that the government has went overboard tax...I think that the government has went overboard taxing cigarretes. Has anyone even thought of all the jobs that go away when cigarrettes go. and if so what do they think is gonna happen doesnt this country have enough economic problems right now. Smokers will smoke but we dont smoke in public or anywhere else we are told not to and that is not good enough. I think taxes should be doled out fairly not just taxing one thing to death. I thought we lived in a free country and it seems lately that it is becoming more and more not a free country. Let us decide whether we want to risk our health not someone else. Cigarrettes are as legal as steak so someone please tell me when will this stop.taxedout in LAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13261500879282068004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50794884089823989912008-06-02T09:30:00.000+01:002008-06-02T09:30:00.000+01:00The best way of encouraging smoking is to make it ...The best way of encouraging smoking is to make it illicit - rather like those furtive porn-mag-under-the-counter days of yester year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77196996301811361572008-06-02T04:13:00.000+01:002008-06-02T04:13:00.000+01:00Cinnamon - You mean people in prison have their ri...Cinnamon - You mean people in prison have their rights constrained? <BR/><BR/>Are you sure?<BR/><BR/>I just read that Ian Huntley's guards have been told to be friendly and charming to him and treat him as one of their own families, in fact, because he is a little upset that he's in prison. He may get depressed.<BR/><BR/>Not as depressed for the rest of their lives as the parents of the two little girls he murdered, but still ... If he's depressed, never mind cuddly prison guards, couldn't they just give him some nice, friendly pills? <BR/><BR/>Are his organs on register for transplant, by the way? I'm assuming wards of the socialist state do not have opt-out rights in the people's socialist paradise of Britain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28903287236931944022008-06-02T03:27:00.000+01:002008-06-02T03:27:00.000+01:00Anonymong 7:42 - "Prohibition doesn't work". Well...Anonymong 7:42 - "Prohibition doesn't work". <BR/><BR/>Well, you're right there.<BR/><BR/>Prohibition against entering premises illegally and stealing doesn't work in today's Britain. (They go to prison for a month and get parole after a week and if you try to defend your home, you'll banged up for a couple of years.)<BR/><BR/>Prohibition against murder doesn't work. Prison guards have been warned to be familial and kindly to convicted multiple child murderer Ian Huntley because he is upset. <BR/><BR/>Prohibition against rape doesn't work. Prohibition against unthinkable abuse of children doesn't work. <BR/><BR/>There is no political will. <BR/><BR/>Why?<BR/><BR/>Because social chaos and destablisation suits the inching forward of the Gramscian agenda.<BR/><BR/>Tony Blair has been a fine little soldier and is being rewarded with private jets up his arse. <BR/><BR/>David Cameron is next up, to reassure the Tories. Yet why hasn't he spoken against banning cigarette brands? Doesn't he understand that consumer choice is a pillar of capitalism?<BR/><BR/>I think he does. <BR/><BR/>He knows and will inch forward the Blair agenda anyway. Polished shoes. under. top . table. Brussels. Trough and glory.<BR/><BR/>No European nation has been as eager to embrace the destruction of the nation state as Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53872761058073389622008-06-01T21:55:00.000+01:002008-06-01T21:55:00.000+01:00http://www.petition.co.uk/smoking_in_mental_health...http://www.petition.co.uk/smoking_in_mental_health_units<BR/><BR/>The NHS is currently attempting to ban mental health patients from smoking by refusing to set aside smoking zones, making it in effect illegal for free citizens who are in care voluntary to smoke, giving them less rights than criminals in prison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50472991800584818102008-06-01T21:53:00.000+01:002008-06-01T21:53:00.000+01:00ShaunRegistered users.....Yup - wrote it in a hurr...Shaun<BR/><BR/>Registered users.....Yup - wrote it in a hurry. I was thinking about making harder stuff legal with people becoming registered users. Another topic entirely.<BR/><BR/>The other two requirements stand...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1987822597772502562008-06-01T19:23:00.000+01:002008-06-01T19:23:00.000+01:00"As A lifelong smoker I will not be lectured to by..."As A lifelong smoker I will not be lectured to by this profiterole woman given that all Governments have facilitated and profited from my addiction to tobacco since age 14." Anon - 6:33 PM<BR/><BR/>If you're 15, that's not such a strong argument...Shaunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02611541853278115075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62613291145727221872008-06-01T18:38:00.000+01:002008-06-01T18:38:00.000+01:00"Unless, of course we produce cannabis under food ..."Unless, of course we produce cannabis under food safety-style regs, the police get roadside testing kits for intoxication and you become a registered drug user...<BR/><BR/>That legit enough for you? After all, the intoxicant known as alcohol has to meet those standards..." - Anon- 4:35 PM<BR/><BR/>Yeah because there are so many people who have to register their alcohol use. So which standards were you talking about again?Shaunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02611541853278115075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9188214523519925852008-06-01T18:33:00.000+01:002008-06-01T18:33:00.000+01:00As A lifelong smoker I will not be lectured to by ...As A lifelong smoker I will not be lectured to by this profiterole woman given that all Governments have <B> facilitated</B> and <B> profited from</B> my addiction to tobacco since age 14.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27498658040920648202008-06-01T16:35:00.000+01:002008-06-01T16:35:00.000+01:00I see the bedsit revolutionaries are out today, fl...I see the bedsit revolutionaries are out today, flaying around with their pot-addled arguments.<BR/><BR/>Look, clowns. The last time I looked at the periodic table there was no such thing as 'cannabis'.<BR/><BR/>Are you really proposing that we legalise a group of drugs that are highly variable in effect, that are sourced from who knows where and are part of the greater illegal dugs trade?<BR/><BR/>It's quite simple. Nobody knows what they are buying the way the drugs trade is currently configured.<BR/><BR/>Would you drink water out of the gutter? It might be clean, it might not. Would you allow anybody to wander in off the street and cook school meals?<BR/><BR/>You just carry on with your common room rebellion in the privacy of your own pit and leave the rest of us out of it.<BR/><BR/>Wider society should not be dragged into giving you lot a pat on the head.<BR/><BR/>Unless, of course we produce cannabis under food safety-style regs, the police get roadside testing kits for intoxication and you become a registered drug user...<BR/><BR/>That legit enough for you? After all, the intoxicant known as alcohol has to meet those standards...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89123900743960463292008-06-01T13:35:00.000+01:002008-06-01T13:35:00.000+01:007:22- Go and peddle your toke-head ideas elsewhere...7:22- Go and peddle your toke-head ideas elsewhere, i.e., on some socialist site where all the other little tokies nod in slow-mo sage agreement.<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo' - Iain's friend Woman on The Tube was sure Canvas was an adolescent boy, but her posts had the fervour of adolescent girl plastered all over them. Packing,eh? The move will be permanent, one hopes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4709583233637857722008-06-01T10:59:00.000+01:002008-06-01T10:59:00.000+01:00verity said... auntie Flo': Expliquez, SVP. If the...verity said... <BR/>auntie Flo': Expliquez, SVP. <BR/><BR/>If the rumours I hear are correct, I imagine she'll be too busy buying nappies and packing, Verity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10921762746103985072008-06-01T10:53:00.000+01:002008-06-01T10:53:00.000+01:00Women over 60 should be banned from walking, as th...Women over 60 should be banned from walking, as they suffer a high incidence of serious falls resulting in broken hips.<BR/><BR/>Motorbikes should be banned, as there is a high incidence of serious/fatal accidents involving them.<BR/><BR/>Ditto skiing, getting pregnant and giving birth, using your eyes (can result in macular degeneration), using your ears (can result in deafness), oh yes, and ...<BR/><BR/>living, which unfortunately still has 100% fatal outcome.<BR/><BR/>When is Guvvinmint gonna doing sumfink abaht all that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66539150939844563752008-06-01T07:39:00.000+01:002008-06-01T07:39:00.000+01:00"I agree with you that this has a lot to do with t..."I agree with you that this has a lot to do with the ghoulish greediness of the transplant industry."- Verity<BR/><BR/>The 'duty' to keep our bodies in condition suitable for mandatory transplant, in the Dystopian NuLab world we now live in, can only be around the corner. Less cream cakes for you, fatty! If you get hit by a bus we may need your heart so don't clog it up!<BR/><BR/>That sort of thing irritates me and if my innate paranoia about the nebulous definition of 'death' in relation to organ harvesting hadn't precluded me for being an organ donor, that certainly would've! The good thing about having MS, tho, is that my organs are autoimmune POISON!! and so are significantly more likely to remain MY organs regardless of statist nationalisation of the corpus.Shaunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02611541853278115075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28074470022207899422008-06-01T03:46:00.000+01:002008-06-01T03:46:00.000+01:00auntie Flo' said... "Hmmm. Don't suppose we'll hea...auntie Flo' said... <BR/>"Hmmm. Don't suppose we'll hear too much from Canvas for a while."<BR/><BR/>Expliquez, SVP. We have watched the wheels coming off the ravenous Obama's gravy train. <BR/><BR/>He doesn't seem to have much grasp on America. The other day, he referred to Hawaii - where his family lighted in his very chequered history - as a territory. As in, forty-eight states and Hawaii and Alaska, both of which have been states for around 30 years. After the madrassa, he grew up in Hawaii that he didn't even realise was a US state?<BR/><BR/>He doesn't even know the country of which he is greedy to be president? Manchurian Candidate, anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4070993423324917442008-06-01T02:43:00.000+01:002008-06-01T02:43:00.000+01:00Stop the persecution of cigarette smokers and lega...Stop the persecution of cigarette smokers and legalise cannabis. I don't do either but I'm an adult and I simply will <B>not tolerate</B> being told what to do with my own life and body, that's why I will not vote Labour or Conservative again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30841091552040403632008-06-01T00:37:00.000+01:002008-06-01T00:37:00.000+01:00Hmmm. Don't suppose we'll hear too much from Canva...Hmmm. Don't suppose we'll hear too much from Canvas for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25219177578152823302008-06-01T00:31:00.000+01:002008-06-01T00:31:00.000+01:00David Cameron smokes, so presumably will be kinder...David Cameron smokes, so presumably will be kinder to us smokers when he is PM?<BR/><BR/>Doesn't Cameron's former spin doctor, Steve Hilton, smoke too?<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Hilton, by the way, is his departure to America as much a reflection of the success of Cameron's newer spin doctor, Andy Coulson, as it is a result of Hilton's wife's new job in the US?<BR/><BR/>Cameron's poll ratings have certainly gone through roof since Coulson was appointed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74056094247432416682008-06-01T00:26:00.000+01:002008-06-01T00:26:00.000+01:007:17 - You and me both.7:22 - The vast majority of...7:17 - You and me both.<BR/><BR/>7:22 - The vast majority of people in this country don't care that you personally wish to indulge in smoking pot. We don't care, or should I repeat that? You are not important enough to go against the wishes of the majority. How much lobbying power do you think a bunch of potheads have?<BR/><BR/>What are you going to offer the government? Your votes? If you can remember the date and find your way to the polling station that day, and remembered to register.<BR/><BR/>Get lost, creep.<BR/><BR/>NewWelshRight said... <BR/>"The nanny state hilariously overreacts." No it doesn't. It reacts with a well-aimed kick of the jackboot. It's not funny. <BR/><BR/>Shaun said: "For me the worst part is the nationalisation of personal responsibility for health."<BR/><BR/>Dump the NHS. <BR/><BR/>I agree with you that this has a lot to do with the ghoulish greediness of the transplant industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5107258106851028192008-06-01T00:21:00.000+01:002008-06-01T00:21:00.000+01:00This is the new "fox hunting" issue for Labour, is...This is the new "fox hunting" issue for Labour, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Apart from the fact that it should be a crime against humanity to have to listen to "Red" Dawn Primarilo on any subject, this is just another soft target to ensure that Labour garners a few extra votes from those people attracted by single issue politics.<BR/><BR/>But you are absolutely right in your analysis, Iain. Until the day when the Politbureau decrees that smoking tobacco is illegal, then smokers have every right to be treated equally with everyone else.<BR/><BR/>The point has been made elsewhere that there are many things which aren't "good for you" but we don't restrict the way they are available to those who want to buy them.Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23624262939338079482008-05-31T23:56:00.000+01:002008-05-31T23:56:00.000+01:00Chris Paul said:The only restriction of liberties ...Chris Paul said:<BR/><BR/>The only restriction of liberties is on smoking indoors where there are workers or other citizens. Which seems the correct balanced view to take.<BR/><BR/><BR/>What utter nonsense. There are FOUR smoking areas in the palace of Westminster where our uniquely privileged and elitist MPs can smoke - indoors and without any regard for the health of HOC staff or the law the rest of us must live by - the cigarettes they alone are empowered to buy in UK at duty free prices.<BR/><BR/>Why doesn't this 'correct balanced view' you advocate apply to MPs, Chris? <BR/><BR/>How very telling of the real agenda behind your post that you totally ignore MP's privileges in respect of smoking at Westminster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76094331225280457152008-05-31T23:47:00.000+01:002008-05-31T23:47:00.000+01:00Chris Paul said:I don't think there is any evidenc...Chris Paul said:<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't think there is any evidence of anyone in parliament trying or wanting to actually ban smoking.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Tell that to the, newly formed, smoking fraternity that nulab have single handedly created.Because we simply don't believe you.<BR/><BR/>The smoking fraternity are the 13 million of us who have been criminalised and treated like lepers and outcasts for engaging in our perfectly legal pleasure which provides the country with over £9 billion in tax.<BR/><BR/>Now forced to stand out in the street, come pouring rain or icy blasts, we've discovered that we have a great deal in common:<BR/><BR/>We all now detest the clown Brown and nulab's guts with a vengeance for the apalling, discriminatory manner with which they treat us.<BR/><BR/>Many of us were labour voters prior to your new law which made us social pariahs and outcasts.<BR/><BR/>13 million, that's....25-20% of UK's adult population? <BR/><BR/>Another great move, Gordon, alienating much of your core vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10374980662582529872008-05-31T23:15:00.000+01:002008-05-31T23:15:00.000+01:00The Brown Broadcasting Corporation are running thi...The Brown Broadcasting Corporation are running this for their lives. And, boy, are the gullible taking the bait!<BR/><BR/>Let this lying bunch of scumbags ban everything (except how I vote). It will simply alienate more and more voters and ensure their own demise.<BR/><BR/>And, just one other thing. I simply love our our new, Labour/liberal inspired 'tolerant' society! Tolerant of everything they believe in !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65839139695060081672008-05-31T23:04:00.000+01:002008-05-31T23:04:00.000+01:00I can't see how New Labour claims to stop deaths. ...I can't see how New Labour claims to stop deaths. The only thing we can All be certain of is our own death, whatever the cause.<BR/><BR/>I would have thought that ALL NHS patients die and the same fate goes for private patients.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57405647663993035032008-05-31T22:55:00.000+01:002008-05-31T22:55:00.000+01:00I know you loathe smoking, Iain. As a smoker I kno...I know you loathe smoking, Iain. As a smoker I know there are many libertarians who will argue that I have a right not to be witch-hunted for doing something that is legal.<BR/><BR/>This is a half-baked proposal from a government that is on its way out.Andrew Allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00001512586556659809noreply@blogger.com