tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4188345026013286592..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Amnesty Launches 'Waterboarding' VideoIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21964715146152203612008-05-02T11:42:00.000+01:002008-05-02T11:42:00.000+01:00Jilted John said..."Saying that when you vote for ...<B>Jilted John said...</B><BR/><BR/>"Saying that when you vote for a candidate you endorse their policies is a self-evident truth"<BR/><BR/>More like simplistic nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37835547415374409512008-05-01T20:41:00.000+01:002008-05-01T20:41:00.000+01:00Jilted John - "if you can't see that this cheers m...Jilted John - "if you can't see that this cheers me as much as it does you then you really have failed to understand where I come from politically."<BR/><BR/>Incorrect.<BR/><BR/>I haven't tried to understand where you come from politically. I cannot imagine devoting two minutes thought from trying to understand etc. Your state of mind is not of compelling interest to anyone but yourself.<BR/><BR/>I'm off this thread. I only wanted to address the ridiculous waterboarding commercial and was hoping someone would let us know where the money to buy time at several performances a day at probably at least a couple of hundred cinemas through the country would be coming from.<BR/><BR/>No one's answered, so I'm gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62427858359720402632008-05-01T18:30:00.000+01:002008-05-01T18:30:00.000+01:00http://current.com/pods/controversy/PD04399http://current.com/pods/controversy/PD04399Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62517808418670449322008-05-01T16:46:00.000+01:002008-05-01T16:46:00.000+01:00That's like saying when I ride in a train, I endor...<I>That's like saying when I ride in a train, I endorse the engine-manufacturer's political allegiances.</I><BR/><BR/>No, it is not. Though I applaud you for constructing perhaps your most facile simile ever. Saying that when you vote for a candidate you endorse their policies is a self-evident truth, and the entire point of collective responsibility and elective representation. I heartily recommending an introduction to basic politics, perhaps one pitched at around GCSE level.<BR/><BR/><I>Oh, did you see in yesterday's paper that that "global warming" is finished? Yup. It stopped yesterday, according to scientists. We haven't heard from Al Gore yet, but it looks as though he may have to wind up his absurd "carbon offset trading" company. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!</I><BR/><BR/>again, if you can't see that this cheers me as much as it does you then you really have failed to understand where I come from politically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22712759076909911382008-05-01T13:13:00.000+01:002008-05-01T13:13:00.000+01:00Jilted John - Frat boys were undergoing waterboard...Jilted John - Frat boys were undergoing waterboarding of their own free will. It is only the self-important Amnesty, which believes its moral indignation entitles it to take over United States foreign policy according to its communist lights, that is shrieking about this technique. Waterboarding is very unpleasant but it does not merit so much excitement among the terrorist-loving lefties. Amnesty is bullying and dictatorial and should be closed down, or else starved of taxpayer funds. I do not believe that there are enough moonbats in the world to donate enough private money to keep this vast boondoggle on the road.<BR/><BR/>You need to brush up on your reading comprehension because you make yourself look like a fool when you say I "advocate" BNP policies. That's like saying when I ride in a train, I endorse the engine-manufacturer's political allegiances. BNP is a vehicle for thousands - and perhaps tens of thousands - of formerly loyal Conservative voters to deliver a punch in the nose to David Cameron. <BR/><BR/>However, I am not surprised that someone who gets all shrill and weepy about waterboarding of suspected terrorists cannot understand this very simple strategy.<BR/><BR/>Again, when they show the waterboarding commercial (and I still want to know who's paying for the time) in cinemas, most people will applaud and cheer.<BR/><BR/>Oh, did you see in yesterday's paper that that "global warming" is finished? Yup. It stopped yesterday, according to scientists. We haven't heard from Al Gore yet, but it looks as though he may have to wind up his absurd "carbon offset trading" company. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48950342895512540962008-05-01T09:26:00.000+01:002008-05-01T09:26:00.000+01:00Also, Jilted John and other excitable lefty sympat...<I>Also, Jilted John and other excitable lefty sympathisers,</I><BR/><BR/>No, Verity, I realise you have trouble with this one, but I'm a libertarian, hence anti-socialist. <I>You</I> are the one who advocates support of socialist parties, <I>vide</I> your voluble support of the BNP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34405274966106139632008-05-01T02:17:00.000+01:002008-05-01T02:17:00.000+01:00Working Class Bully - Right.Working Class Bully - Right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84177378568425319592008-05-01T00:23:00.000+01:002008-05-01T00:23:00.000+01:00Verity: "socialist thugs and bullies."I've never b...Verity: "socialist thugs and bullies."<BR/><BR/>I've never been called either of the latter two before, and I'm not sure I was ever a socialist. Any road up, there are better definitions of a person that their politics, I think.<BR/><BR/>Thanks though. It's been a while since I had a proper laugh. (Not being sarcastic, now.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18313817971465505692008-04-30T19:57:00.000+01:002008-04-30T19:57:00.000+01:00Also, Jilted John and other excitable lefty sympat...Also, Jilted John and other excitable lefty sympathisers, you probably wouldn't know this, but some American fraternities used to use waterboarding as part of hazing.<BR/><BR/>Eventually, university authorities did stop it as being a step too far, but until it was banned, American college boys were undergoing it of their own free will. <BR/><BR/>Also, the commercial was trite. If they show it in cinemas, people will applaud. How is it the left succees at misunderstanding absolutely everything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25550188305293844562008-04-30T14:38:00.000+01:002008-04-30T14:38:00.000+01:00Jilted John said..."Right, if we are prepared to d...<B>Jilted John said...</B><BR/><BR/>"Right, if we are prepared to do this to innocent people, on the suspicion that they might be terrorists, then there's no point fighting and we might as well give up now."<BR/><BR/>Leftoid fifth columnists have never done anything but support the enemy. How could they give up? The 'fighting left' will merely carry on appeasing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85667258395741166432008-04-30T14:34:00.000+01:002008-04-30T14:34:00.000+01:00I still want to know who's paying for the time to ...I still want to know who's paying for the time to show that stupid commercial in cinemas. The taxpayer?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, most people, not having been infected with the socialist virus, will applaud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47490413513544607632008-04-30T14:33:00.000+01:002008-04-30T14:33:00.000+01:00Here are some facts: On release, almost all the i...Here are some facts: On release, almost all the internees at Abu Ghraib were found to have gained weight from stuffing their faces with chilli, burgers with all the trimmings, hot dogs and fried chicken - despite ample exercise facilities.<BR/><BR/>Fact No 2, most of them, on release, applied for Green Cards.<BR/><BR/>Second, the prisoners had amply ventilated sleeping quarters with ample ceiling fans. A guard dog outside slept in an air-conditioned kennel (this is not at all uncommon in the American south in summer, especially Texas). A prisoner had the nerve to complain: "Why are we sleeping under fans and that dogs gets air-conditioning?"<BR/><BR/>And the guard replied laconically, "Because 'that dog' is a member of the United States military'.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how many of their Green Card applications were successful ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9463805002341186642008-04-30T03:04:00.000+01:002008-04-30T03:04:00.000+01:00Who's going to make the advert of what the afterma...Who's going to make the advert of what the aftermath of a (suicide) bombing, or firebombing of a nightclub full women (those "slags"-quote) might look like? I bet you'd find that most people would then see the point of trying to break fanatic Islamists. So what if even 25% of whatever Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to being responsible for is "true"? It gives you an insight into what they would like to do. Better that than the spectacle of the wannabe 20th bomber (Moussaoui) going to his solitary confinement cell spitting and ranting...where's the justice in that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6707030085241456002008-04-29T17:07:00.000+01:002008-04-29T17:07:00.000+01:00Anon 4:13 - I couldn't be bothered to read through...Anon 4:13 - I couldn't be bothered to read through your piece of propaganda because it wasn't even attributed. It just droned on and on and on. Trying to pay attention was just torture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76875321451685771022008-04-29T16:13:00.000+01:002008-04-29T16:13:00.000+01:00"The drill machine was brought in and plugged in o..."The drill machine was brought in and plugged in outside the room somewhere. It didn't work at first and the inspector shouted at the guard and said to make it work. I was praying that it wouldn't work, but it started working. The inspector told Sikander to drill a hole in my backside and he told me to face the wall and lift my shirt and I had no choice but to do so. Sikander came and warned me while the machine was running. He touched me.<BR/><BR/>I realised later it wasn't the drill machine he touched me with because I had no injuries, but at that point I really thought it was a drill. They were doing this to break me. I started saying to them that I would agree with whatever they would want me to.<BR/><BR/>That's when the inspector told me to sit on the stool and put my glasses back on. They then showed me a photograph of another terrorism suspect. I told them that I knew him, and met him in Luton ..." <BR/><BR/>What this article illustrates is that even if one doesn't have any moral objection to torture [and the sub-human verity appears not to] then the 'information' gleaned from it is worthlessly inaccurate, and cannot be used in a court of law. <BR/><BR/>So why bother ?? The 'ticking time bomb' is a red-herring. Even if it might have worked against the IRA [which I very much doubt, as there is no evidence for it], they were careful to try and stay alive until the end of the operation. <BR/><BR/>If you have people on a martyrdom operation, the rules of engagement are very different, and old ways simply will not be effective. <BR/><BR/>The IRA were beaten by infiltration and intelligence. I don't doubt that there were some heavy handed tactics, and internment without trial - but they took us further away from the solution, not closer. <BR/><BR/>Yet with all that experience, it is starting to look like the public at large haven't learnt a damn thing..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44674639540278439442008-04-29T16:03:00.000+01:002008-04-29T16:03:00.000+01:00"For the first 14 days, he says, he was deprived o..."For the first 14 days, he says, he was deprived of sleep, beaten about the head during interrogation, whipped on the thighs and buttocks with a rubber lash, and beaten on the soles of his feet with a wooden stick.<BR/><BR/>On the sixth or seventh day, he alleges, one of his interrogators took a pair of pliers from a box and removed a fingernail from his left hand. He says that at the end of this process he was given a painkilling injection and his finger was bandaged. He says that on the following day a second nail was removed, and a third the day after that. He says that after each of these torture sessions he was given painkillers and his finger bandaged." [guardian.co.uk] <BR/><BR/>So does verity still think this is an argument about 'men with panties on their head' ?? Catch yourself on - this is the sort of stuff which is acting as the best advertising for joining the 'insurgents' that they could possibly wish for...<BR/><BR/>If you want to see where this sort of approach gets you, watch the film 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley' - British soldiers pull off people's fingernails, and Ireland's troubles are only just beginning..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23541196628947018672008-04-29T15:58:00.000+01:002008-04-29T15:58:00.000+01:00"Andrew Tyrie, Conservative MP for Chichester and ..."Andrew Tyrie, Conservative MP for Chichester and a campaigner against the abuse of the human rights of terrorism suspects, is considering asking a series of questions about the matter in the Commons." <BR/><BR/>So what does verity think [that is, if she is capable of 'thinking'] about the fact that it isn't just the loony left, as she would categorise them, that care about this ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67527116305307103672008-04-29T15:49:00.000+01:002008-04-29T15:49:00.000+01:00I'm sick of this.Right, if we are prepared to do t...I'm sick of this.<BR/><BR/>Right, if we are prepared to do this to innocent people, on the suspicion that they might be terrorists, then there's no point fighting and we might as well give up now.<BR/><BR/>Of course, we've come a long way on terrorism, haven't we? In the 1970s we locked people up for life for bombings they hadn't committed. Now we shoot people in the head for bombings they weren't <I>about</I> to commit.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I can't see why half of you hate fundamentalist Islamism so much since you seem to share so much; first and foremost the belief that people who disagree with you are expendable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34415097157375129212008-04-29T15:24:00.000+01:002008-04-29T15:24:00.000+01:00The people who can see nothing wrong with this fil...The people who can see nothing wrong with this film are completely missing the point. The thing is, it's impossible for most people to imagine what sort of subhuman scum would be prepared to carry out torture of this sort or any other kind. Not only that, but what sort of people would be so inhuman as to make, finance or watch a film of it. And how appalling that they believe everyone is as insensitive as they are.EricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26729820103772989722008-04-29T15:19:00.000+01:002008-04-29T15:19:00.000+01:00Working Class Hero - "I hear Mugabe's hiring."Then...Working Class Hero - "I hear Mugabe's hiring."<BR/><BR/>Then why not apply? He's always on the lookout for socialist thugs and bullies. I'd caution you to leave the sarcasm at home, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33260337965514810532008-04-29T14:52:00.000+01:002008-04-29T14:52:00.000+01:00Also, I find it hard to believe that cinema owners...Also, I find it hard to believe that cinema owners are going to intentionally insult customers who have paid for admission.<BR/><BR/>The majority of Brits - that is, those who live outside the tiny swanky politically elite enclaves of London - are patriotic. They will, I am guessing, approve of fighting terrorism with whatever weapons are handy. I don't think the metropolitan elite assumption that the Briton will be outraged by this has any traction at all. I have a feeling they'll applaud.<BR/><BR/>Or they'll be appalled at the implied assumption. Applaud or appalled, I don't think cinema owners are in the business of assaulting the sensibilities and patriotism of their customers. Something about this story does not ring true.<BR/><BR/>But I will bet you they are going to try to sneak it into schools, so those of you with children at school, be alert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55356765185410387942008-04-29T14:46:00.000+01:002008-04-29T14:46:00.000+01:00Hands up who'd like this done in their local polic...Hands up who'd like this done in their local police station interview room. (Former members of the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad, hands down.)<BR/><BR/>I hear Mugabe's hiring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56115803985482110112008-04-29T14:05:00.000+01:002008-04-29T14:05:00.000+01:00I don't really have a problem with it. The advert ...I don't really have a problem with it. The advert i mean. Probably only a matter of a few more terrorist attacks before this country gives the police the powers to torture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85464072313499469192008-04-29T14:03:00.000+01:002008-04-29T14:03:00.000+01:00[8:11] - Thanks. I know Amnesty International pos...[8:11] - Thanks. I know Amnesty International poses as a charity. I believe it's a hybrid charity/quango, though, otherwise why would Livingstone's girlfriend be working for it? <BR/><BR/>Life in quangoland is rather intricate, but I do not believe that Amnesty International does not see any taxpayer pounds worming their way through its bank accounts.<BR/><BR/>But [8:11], let's pretend you are right and Amnesty International is a charity. Do you have any figures on how much it costs to run a - what? - two minute? - commercial in all the hundreds of cinemas in Britain? Would be that three/four times a day in each cinema? Quite a lot of money for a "charity" to find.<BR/><BR/>Or, as I asked above, were all the oswners of cinemas, private enterprise, not state-owned, struck, en masse, by a sudden loathing of waterboarding?<BR/><BR/>I also asked whether it was going to be, like the Gore "Al in Wonderland" fantasy of man-made global warming, and inexplicably shown in every school in Britain. I'm still waiting ...<BR/><BR/>Call me a cynic but there's something rotten in Denmark and it's not cartoons. I smell an agenda here to progagandise the British, using muscle as well as taxpayer money, against defending themselves. We can call it the Reverse Churchill Effect.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, let us remember that there are people who raced down the tube escalators to catch a train that morning on 7/7, and jumped on board as the doors slid closed and now have to be carried to the toilet by their families because there legs were blown off. Or they have no arms. People who no longer curl up with a good book or an intersting magazine article because they were blinded.<BR/><BR/>Waterboardees suffer a couple of minutes of panic then are released and get up off the board and walk away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45600023415839803062008-04-29T13:37:00.000+01:002008-04-29T13:37:00.000+01:00How droll verity.We, the west, do not fly 747s int...How droll verity.<BR/><BR/>We, the west, do not fly 747s into skyscrapers but we do use "shock and awe" carpet bombing, rocket attack weddings wilfully, proudly post videos of US gunships killing every single person that leaves a mosque after prayers, fire M85 and less sophisticated cluster bombs into Lebanese kindergarten, and strafe (from the German = punish) unarmed Iraqi conscripts in slippers who are retreating down Death Highway aka the Basra Road from Quwait.<BR/><BR/>There is no moral high ground. It is the same discourse. Might makes right says Bush. Might makes right apes Bin Laden and Israel, and China, and Hamas. Bin Laden as personally taught up to speed by the freedom loving CIA.<BR/><BR/>Amnesty DO run <I>completely different</I> campaigns in the territories of which others speak.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.com