tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4005797658845303964..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Tories On Top In Three-WayIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10428640708748495022009-01-24T09:09:00.000+00:002009-01-24T09:09:00.000+00:00Why is the BNP shunned by Conservatives whilst Sin...Why is the BNP shunned by Conservatives whilst Sinn Féin is not? <BR/><BR/>The leadership of Sinn Féin includes deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, who was a leading figure in the Provisional IRA, an organisation whose membership include those with convictions for rather more serious crimes than BNP members have even been accused of.<BR/><BR/>To be explicit, given that the Ruling Class have accepted Sinn Féin into the UK Government then why not the BNP?Bert Rustlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11603898539529306184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62666533410358647622009-01-23T18:43:00.000+00:002009-01-23T18:43:00.000+00:00All 3 parties supported & still support genoci...All 3 parties supported & still support genocide, child sex slavery & kidnapping & dissection of living humans in Kosovo, all to support the programme of Mr A Hitler. It is more than a little hypocritical of any of their members to pretend moral superiority, or indeed equality with the BNP who didn't & don't.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21616472211372446872009-01-23T18:27:00.000+00:002009-01-23T18:27:00.000+00:00Here is a few reasons:1. BNP HQ used to be in Well...Here is a few reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. BNP HQ used to be in Welling<BR/><BR/>2. Area largely populated by White working class families which have moved out of areas such as Bermondsey, Southwark etc<BR/><BR/>3. BNP campaigned very aggressively, many leaflets were dropped through our letterbox<BR/><BR/>4. Look at the recent London Assembly vote, the NF won 11,000 votes in Bexley and Bromley<BR/><BR/>5. Surrounding bad areas include Woolwich, Plumstead, Thamesmead, Abbeywood, Lewisham all with large non white populations while Welling is still overwhelmingly whiteBexleyToryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09579635153609485704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26784368079947849202009-01-23T17:33:00.000+00:002009-01-23T17:33:00.000+00:00It may be difficult to believe but to the disinter...It may be difficult to believe but to the <B>disinterested</B> voter there is not much difference between the Conservatives, New Labour, and the Lib Dems. They are all 'talk talk' people with their snoughts in the trough.<BR/><BR/>The BNP may be racist and unpleasant but they are seen as willing to 'do something' about important issues rather than papering over the cracks with endless reports, reviews, and dodgy statistics.<BR/><BR/>Smooth Dave Cameron may well go down well with the politically aware set, but I've argued for some time that he needs to display passion and kick some arses if he is to win long term backing for his policies.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83814527917351008812009-01-23T16:42:00.000+00:002009-01-23T16:42:00.000+00:00This is what happens when peple feel ignored and l...This is what happens when peple feel ignored and let down by main stream political parties. They turn to one that might actually listen to them and horror of horrors do something to help them. My mother used to be a red hot socialist, but now she is so disillusion she said that she would vote BNP if they fielded a candidate around here.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19203118221745495892009-01-23T15:46:00.000+00:002009-01-23T15:46:00.000+00:00and don't forget the bnp definately want out of th...and don't forget the bnp definately want out of the eu,its not all about racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25491418874377342982009-01-23T15:31:00.000+00:002009-01-23T15:31:00.000+00:00I am more worried by the fact that there are still...I am more worried by the fact that there are still retards out there who can vote for Labour.Fidothedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13588552210424845667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15942657809711152762009-01-23T15:29:00.001+00:002009-01-23T15:29:00.001+00:00Labour have a lot to fear from the BNP. With sens...Labour have a lot to fear from the BNP. <BR/><BR/>With sensible aspirational labour voters looking to Cameron's 'progressive conservatives' and conservatives anxious to skewer labour good and proper - Labour risk their vote plunging to below 30% and suffering in what they hope are safe seats.<BR/><BR/>The working class who have seen job prospects disappear thanks to mass uncontrolled and unplanned immigration will see no point to Labour.<BR/><BR/>There must be many places where the political landscape has been turned upside down by immigrationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60948231190871059612009-01-23T15:29:00.000+00:002009-01-23T15:29:00.000+00:00I'm surprised anyone's surprised by the near succe...I'm surprised anyone's surprised by the near success of the BNP. Come the general Election they will do very well.<BR/>Cameron's recent statements will only assist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86354801004110749582009-01-23T14:49:00.000+00:002009-01-23T14:49:00.000+00:00Its all very well demonising the BNP and running "...Its all very well demonising the BNP and running "Destroy the BNP" camapaigns. <BR/><BR/>A little market research will show a couple of things.<BR/><BR/>- a growing number white working class Labour voters see NuLab as not interested in their problems<BR/>- some but no all may feel that BNP is the only party that will get a grip on immigration. This is not racism but self preservation. They see immigrants queue jumping for housing and grabbing benefits.<BR/>- there is also support for BNP in middle and upper income groups. Some of these voters will be anti immigration and frustrated that under Lab/Con England is not the place that they grew up in. They feel alienated in the land of their birth.<BR/><BR/>Its time for politicians to stop their invective and tirades against the BNP. Voters are telling them something. Writing these voters off as rascist is wrong and ultimatley costly in terms of votes lost.Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07500688050397705993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69221344412491669512009-01-23T13:46:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:46:00.000+00:00It's actually quite useful to have that analysis R...It's actually quite useful to have that analysis Raedwald.<BR/><BR/>Clearly we need quotas and a points system based on that sort of information plus extremely rigourous expulsion procedures and tougher airport customs. I get weary of watching the customs on that programme "Airport" who end virtually every interview by saying "you may not enter the UK", only to let them stay "temporarily" and then the voiceover telling us that they of course vanished. God knows what our airport customs are really for nowadays. The people doing the job must be thoroughly demoralised with it.<BR/><BR/>However, note the point here - let's have a rational and planned system, not knee-jerk reactions to the BNP's racist agenda.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21303045504354444832009-01-23T13:09:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:09:00.000+00:00@OH 12 21,Funnily enough they dont like being call...@OH 12 21,<BR/>Funnily enough they dont like being called that.When I lived in aberdeen then later in nth wales I was called an immigrant many times.When it was pointed out there were far more scots and welsh immigrants in england,I was told to f*& off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63747804704014709852009-01-23T13:05:00.001+00:002009-01-23T13:05:00.001+00:00@ boothroyd 11 21,what was the percentage of labou...@ boothroyd 11 21,what was the percentage of labours vote in the last general election?<BR/><BR/>If the bnp get more popular you have only yourselves to blame,there is hardly any difference between any party.Camerons too much like blair.We need a definate right wing party not more of the same,someone the electorate can identify with.Give us order not chaos.We have all been brainwashed with political correctness over the years and frightened to say anything "extreme".Polititians are out of touch with the electorate and there is a huge undercurrent of resentment building against them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21492149966869508862009-01-23T13:05:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:05:00.000+00:00"There is no logic and no rationality to this - we..."There is no logic and no rationality to this - we are dealing with prejuduce, pure and simple."<BR/><BR/>Actually I suspect it's based on crime statistics showing a higher proportion of crime amongst Afro-Carribbeans. Then of course there's the issue of Islamic fundamentalists tending to be Asian. Of course it is unfair to tar all blacks and Asians with the same brush but it does explain why people are probably more hostile to these people than say, for example, the Chinese.no longer anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832752807489967541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42611049420423521972009-01-23T13:03:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:03:00.000+00:00The council vote makes very little difference in t...The council vote makes very little difference in too many places. By that I mean, you vote Lib/Lab/Con and Council Tax goes up regardless, Bin Collections go down. Too much of the rule making is handed down from Westminster and Brussels.<BR/><BR/>Thus, it is easy to play on peoples frustrations and garner support towards the fringes.<BR/><BR/>The solution would be to put some real control back into the hands of local councils so that people could feel the benefits of their votes in action.Daniel1979https://www.blogger.com/profile/15995019999758145443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5707962396662598162009-01-23T13:01:00.000+00:002009-01-23T13:01:00.000+00:00Have you lived in the area for thelast decade Davi...Have you lived in the area for thelast decade David?dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42262445871681000142009-01-23T12:53:00.001+00:002009-01-23T12:53:00.001+00:00Well said, Raedwald.Well said, Raedwald.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43906610476967568822009-01-23T12:53:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:53:00.000+00:00Phil Hendren, the BNP bookshop in Welling opened i...Phil Hendren, the BNP bookshop in Welling opened in April 1989 and closed (due to planning enforcement action by Bexley council) in summer 1995. How exactly it is supposed to have had an effect on a byelection 14 years later is something you'll have to explain.David Boothroydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161970886471901426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4511392681505919242009-01-23T12:51:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:51:00.000+00:00@Despairing Liberal 12.32The ippr (with their sill...@Despairing Liberal 12.32<BR/><BR/>The ippr (with their silly ee cummings affectation) published some decent research last year on economic contribution and country of origin.<BR/><BR/>Migrants from the US, Canada, France, Australia were all top economic contributors. Indians, Nigerians and Poles were also worth having. The biggest 'takers' were from Somalia, Pakistan, Portugal and Turkey. <BR/><BR/>Obviously within these groups are substantial differences; the NHS couldn't function without thousands of dedicated Nigerian staff, but other Nigerians amongst the estimated 3m - 5m in the UK are the nation's biggest petty fraudsters. <BR/><BR/>The harm Labour has done is not to have separated the wheat from the chaff on entry, but to open the borders to all comers. This does no favours to hard-working visible ethnic migrants who contribute positively to our economy, and tars them all with the same brush. <BR/><BR/>It's a variation on Gresham's law - bad migrants drive out good. <BR/><BR/>The reality that all parties are facing is the need to comb-out the bad migrants - the fraudsters, cheats, takers and users - whatever their colour, creed or caste. This isn't BNP racism, it's common sense.Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57783702153929006072009-01-23T12:41:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:41:00.000+00:00East Wickham ward is in Welling. Not a suprise at ...East Wickham ward is in Welling. Not a suprise at all that the BNP have done well there. The BNP had a bookshop in Welling in the early 90s which caused a lot of outrage, especially as East Wickham is also in pissing distance of the bus stop where Stephen lawrence was killed.<BR/><BR/>David Boothroyds commentary and analysis is bollocks. The simple answer is just "it's Welling"dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43177003824884579622009-01-23T12:32:00.001+00:002009-01-23T12:32:00.001+00:00By the way this byelection was in Bexley not Broml...By the way this byelection was in Bexley not Bromley.<BR/><BR/>Several previous comments mention Bromley not LB BexleyWestminster Workerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17659422785688806697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28717088090292586772009-01-23T12:32:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:32:00.000+00:00Yes, some immigrants behave badly or with criminal...Yes, some immigrants behave badly or with criminal intent. Many others don't. Some cost the country money. Others don't. Some (black and asian) are not acceptable. Others (white or good looking or good footballers) are. There is no logic and no rationality to this - we are dealing with prejuduce, pure and simple.<BR/><BR/>Those of you who seriously want the Tory party to adopt this prejudice as the basis of their outlook are deluded.<BR/><BR/>You should join the BNP and stop trying to infiltrate the moderate right party.<BR/><BR/>Then we would at least know where the battle lines are drawn.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22399243733410374912009-01-23T12:30:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:30:00.000+00:00Having been at the count I can tell you there was ...Having been at the count I can tell you there was a bundle check which altered the Tory majority from 7 to 8. There was then a full recount which produced the same result, so the result stood and the returning officer declared.<BR/><BR/>Very interesting contest and the tightest count and result I have ever been involved in. Rather than a two horse race it was a four way bare knuckle fistfight!Westminster Workerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17659422785688806697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59132756966391837152009-01-23T12:23:00.000+00:002009-01-23T12:23:00.000+00:00A lot of people don't get this BNP thing.People ar...A lot of people don't get this BNP thing.<BR/><BR/>People are fed up with the lies and covering up of the problems caused by immigration, not to mention the statistics on knife crime that are obfuscated for reasons of political correctness.<BR/><BR/>Until the main parties address the appalling consequences of unfettered immigration and the obnoxious social attitudes of some ethnic minorities, people will vote accordingly.<BR/><BR/>Mainstream politics in this country is limp and rudderless. They favour pragmatism over principle and have allowed the erosion of basic civil rights, with particular reference to English Nationalism, which even to me sounds like a dirty word.<BR/><BR/>I don't vote BNP, and could probably never bring myself to do so, but I fully understand why some do.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48482071200819413802009-01-23T12:22:00.001+00:002009-01-23T12:22:00.001+00:0090% of failed asylum seekers are not deported, and...90% of failed asylum seekers are not deported, and the agency "responsible" for them doesn't know where they are.<BR/><BR/>http://therantingkingpenguin.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>The PenguinHacked Offhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08016667577546745576noreply@blogger.com