tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3882517776900629630..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Labour MPs Resemble Cornered RatsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44090389533260571882008-04-19T13:28:00.000+01:002008-04-19T13:28:00.000+01:00jafo said... "but hasn't it struck you that for th...<B>jafo said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"but hasn't it struck you that for the losers to be poor (or poorish) people and the "winners" to be well-paid, prosperous people is a rather odd decision for a Labour government to make?"<BR/><BR/>If memory serves the net result of the Labour governments of the 70s was to reduce the wealth of the poor and increase the wealth of the rich. (Or was that the one in the 60s? Or both? I forget.) That, however, was clearly an unintended consequence.<BR/><BR/>Nulab have been deliberately sucking-up to the rich throughout their term of office. The only unintended consequence of this particular attack on the poor is that everyone has noticed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58747624249972686292008-04-18T17:25:00.000+01:002008-04-18T17:25:00.000+01:00Gb is a total jonah everything he touches turns to...Gb is a total jonah everything he touches turns to crap.The only thing i can think of as to why people thought he was a "brilliant tactician" is that he just opposed everything bliar wanted..not skill or cunning just childish opposition.Now he has the top job this is what you get tax the poor to give to the better off,slag off the USA then visit them it would be laughable if he didn't represent our country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47138629126906232292008-04-18T16:43:00.000+01:002008-04-18T16:43:00.000+01:00As I mentioned in my blog, Brown probably offered ...As I mentioned in my blog, Brown probably offered her the chance to be parachuted into a safe labour constituency at the next election as her's is being abolished.<BR/><BR/>Shes obviously not 'that' interested in the tax changes, so it's not really much of a principled stand is it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14056116628436345772008-04-18T11:42:00.000+01:002008-04-18T11:42:00.000+01:00The reason why Labour rats are now suddenly up in ...The reason why Labour rats are now suddenly up in arms about the 10p business is because when it came in they were ahead in the polls and now they aren't. They absolutely could not give a toss about the poor, then or now. What they care about is their place at the trough and they're only kicking off about this now because that's looking threatened.<BR/><BR/>Evil, evil scum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33282796529482711982008-04-18T11:14:00.000+01:002008-04-18T11:14:00.000+01:00Chris Paul - "..... victims of unintended conseque...Chris Paul - "..... victims of unintended consequences"...<BR/>"But any change to the tax system will have some winners and losers at the margins....."<BR/><BR/>Indeed yes, Chris, but hasn't it struck you that for the losers to be poor (or poorish) people and the "winners" to be well-paid, prosperous people is a rather odd decision for a Labour government to make? <BR/><BR/>Plus, for this to be an allegedly "unintended consequence" suggests that Labour are even more stupid and incompetent than even I had previously thought. If you remove the bottom band of tax which is obviously more important to poor people than rich, it is blindingly obvious you will make things worse for those same people.<BR/><BR/>Are you really suggesting that mighty Gordon Brown, Chancellor for 10 years, couldn't work that out? Does he have to take his shoes and socks off if he wants to count higher than ten?<BR/><BR/>He knew exactly what this would do, so we must assume that is what he wanted to do. "Let's make poor people poorer" - who suggested to him that would be a vote winner?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81908990637932544842008-04-18T09:07:00.000+01:002008-04-18T09:07:00.000+01:00Absolutely amazing!!Brown has to break off his mee...Absolutely amazing!!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Brown has to break off his meeting with the World's most powerful man to phone a Mrs Smith that no one has ever heard of and beg for her loyalty?<BR/><BR/>He must be very very very worried indeed, to do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18282731052551400132008-04-18T07:33:00.000+01:002008-04-18T07:33:00.000+01:00Chris Paul wrote,"Hopefully there can be some meas...Chris Paul wrote,<BR/><BR/>"Hopefully there can be some measures to aid those victim of unintended consequences."<BR/><BR/>In other words, "This is another Nu-Lab idea that hasn't been thought through properly"Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2735003622490537672008-04-18T01:02:00.000+01:002008-04-18T01:02:00.000+01:00Speaking of cornered rats, the following is curren...Speaking of cornered rats, the following is currenty the third most recomended post on BBC's Have Your Say "Is there life on earth" topic:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes, Gordon Brown lives on another planet..<BR/><BR/>Sorry,couldn't help it!<BR/><BR/>Martin, Swindon<BR/><BR/>Oh do try and keep up, Martin, we're talking about *intelligent* life!<BR/><BR/>[DisgustedOfMitcham2], London, United KingdomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91137183984706513672008-04-18T00:18:00.000+01:002008-04-18T00:18:00.000+01:00Tachybaptus - I take your joke. But the heron has...Tachybaptus - I take your joke. But the heron has pretty plumage and an elegant look to him. <BR/><BR/>Actually, as rats are intelligent and resourceful, it's not a fair comparison anyway. Better we say about any rat we don't like, "Well, he looks like Jack Straw."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2159933684667167202008-04-18T00:16:00.000+01:002008-04-18T00:16:00.000+01:00Chris Paul said...But any change to the tax system...Chris Paul said...<BR/>But any change to the tax system will have some winners and losers at the margins.<BR/><BR/>"the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says a total of 5.3 million households would see their take-home pay fall as a result, including people earning between £5,200 and £18,500."<BR/><BR/>That seems to be a pretty wide margin hmm ?Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86347489393561577252008-04-18T00:05:00.000+01:002008-04-18T00:05:00.000+01:001) Smith was going to resign. Update: after a chat...1) Smith was going to resign. Update: after a chat with Gordon, suddenly she isn't.<BR/><BR/>2) Lord Falconer was against extending detention from 28 to 42 days. Update: after a chat with Gordon, suddenly he isn't.<BR/><BR/>3) Several Labour MPs were tempted to throw their hat into the leadership contest ring. Update: after Gordon made it clear what would happen to their political careers if he were to win, suddenly they weren't.<BR/><BR/>There might be a pattern to this. It needs a stronger word than bully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47851640519617954842008-04-17T23:57:00.000+01:002008-04-17T23:57:00.000+01:00There is no resignation at the time of writing. Ms...There is no resignation at the time of writing. Ms Smith got a call from GB and changed her mind.<BR/><BR/>The demise of the 10p rate is suddenly controversial but not really the end of the world. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully there can be some measures to aid those victim of unintended consequences. But any change to the tax system will have some winners and losers at the margins. This is no exception.<BR/><BR/>Absolutely incredible that more than a year has passed without much opposition - even from oppositions who voted against by rote, but approve of the change at heart - to this symbolic change.<BR/><BR/>It is not helping the Tory case to have this continual over-statement of the problems.<BR/><BR/>The ad referred to by anon 8:51 is particularly inopportune when juxtaposed with serious news.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17960635736373336552008-04-17T23:54:00.000+01:002008-04-17T23:54:00.000+01:00Labour MPs might be frightened, but not one of the...Labour MPs might be frightened, but not one of them has the courage to do what needs to be done - kick out Brown and start again. <BR/><BR/>They prefer to cling on to the wreckage, and pretend that the ship's still afloat. Rats would have more sense.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27316429567015752552008-04-17T23:17:00.000+01:002008-04-17T23:17:00.000+01:00[angela smith] 'These are my principles Gordon, an...[angela smith] 'These are my principles Gordon, and if you don't like them, well, I have others..' <BR/><BR/>Sold down the river...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29182966879748544372008-04-17T23:06:00.000+01:002008-04-17T23:06:00.000+01:00Force fed 'porridge' no doubt!GForce fed 'porridge' no doubt!<BR/><BR/>GGrendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517877929080302948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65312293187750912492008-04-17T22:54:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:54:00.000+01:00Anonymous @ 8.05pmThe opposition did vote against ...Anonymous @ 8.05pm<BR/><BR/>The opposition did vote against on 18th March when the amendment to the Income Tax Act was put forward.<BR/><BR/>What is galling, or an example of stupid Labour are, is the number of Labour MPs who voted for this cut in March and are now complaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31230105397530221412008-04-17T22:29:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:29:00.000+01:00Admiral West, Lord Digby Jones, Angela Smith, that...Admiral West, Lord Digby Jones, Angela Smith, that chap who disagreed with increasing beer prices - amazing how they change their minds after a word from dear Gordon isn't it. DVD to hire: "The Lives of Others".Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46518741934950235302008-04-17T22:21:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:21:00.000+01:00It is not just the MP`s of course but the vast web...It is not just the MP`s of course but the vast web of sinecure holders nervously gnawing on a last morsel of cheese.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69766988123348847192008-04-17T22:07:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:07:00.000+01:00Verity: would disagree about Jack Straw looking li...Verity: would disagree about Jack Straw looking like a rat. More like this <A HREF="http://aesculapius.150m.com/Heronandgoldfish1.jpg" REL="nofollow">heron.</A>Ralph Hancockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11686354797977020917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39064211956606089732008-04-17T22:04:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:04:00.000+01:00BBC is reporting that she is NOT now resigning. Ap...BBC is reporting that she is NOT now resigning. Apparently she called GB who persuaded her f the merits of impoverishing the good Burghers of Sheffield Hillsborough in the name of helping the poor Burghers of...er....Sheffield Hilsborough!<BR/><BR/>God, it's like a Clash song!<BR/><BR/>Darling you gotta let me know. <BR/>Should I stay or should I go now.<BR/>If I go there will be trouble!<BR/>But if I stay it will be double!Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7399681536878087902008-04-17T22:01:00.000+01:002008-04-17T22:01:00.000+01:00Apparently she has changed her mind.So dithering i...<I>Apparently she has changed her mind.</I><BR/><BR/>So dithering is catching is it? Or was this more a case of thumb screws? Too late anyway - it was all over the news bulletins. The damage is done.<BR/><BR/>BTW there was a nice soundbite from Dave. In an interview with Kathy Newman for C4 she asked him what he'd poll at the local elections "in his wildest dreams". Dave said "Well I do have wild dreams Kathy - but not about poll share". Very nice.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46025124824777912062008-04-17T21:45:00.000+01:002008-04-17T21:45:00.000+01:00And now she's not resigning, apparently. This bunc...And now she's not resigning, apparently. This bunch can't even resign competently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65044462864598462532008-04-17T21:41:00.000+01:002008-04-17T21:41:00.000+01:00According to the BBC (!) she has decided not to qu...According to the BBC (!) she has decided not to quit after talking with Gordon Brown. She has now gone to ground.<BR/><BR/>That suggests to me that a compromise is already on the table in order to head off a rebellion. <BR/><BR/>What slimy bastards they all are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67474320352064463742008-04-17T21:40:00.000+01:002008-04-17T21:40:00.000+01:00Labour resemble rats whether they're cornered or n...Labour resemble rats whether they're cornered or not. Jack Straw looks like a rat. Heather Blears looks like a chipmunk, which is a rodent. Margaret Hodge looks like something that lives under a rock in Australia.<BR/><BR/>Ed Balls looks more reptilian, though. A fat,smiling toad, for instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56702726444002849022008-04-17T21:38:00.000+01:002008-04-17T21:38:00.000+01:00She's had a 'conversation' with Gordon and has now...She's had a 'conversation' with Gordon and has now decided not to quit....<BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7353273.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com