tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3866114049027397751..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: What Did Kevin Maguire Know?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22078975828962634172009-04-15T08:57:00.000+01:002009-04-15T08:57:00.000+01:00Yeah that's right Iain, you've got me there? Why m...Yeah that's right Iain, you've got me there? Why make such a childish response. You expect that on Donal's blog but not here.<br />My question was whether Nadine is able to handle the rough and tumble of front line politics if she goes crying to bloggers and can't stand up for herself against a bloated old fart from the Independent. Well...is she?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755490516141328662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62587504775711803442009-04-14T10:55:00.000+01:002009-04-14T10:55:00.000+01:00Andy, nice to know you seem to approve of bullying...Andy, nice to know you seem to approve of bullying women.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13016545868578983322009-04-14T10:52:00.000+01:002009-04-14T10:52:00.000+01:00Yet again, your posts lead me to have real concern...Yet again, your posts lead me to have real concerns about the calibre of our MPs. You have this post - http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/04/defending-nadine-from-brute.html where you have to stand up for poor defenceless Nadine when a big man is nasty to her. Now she is ringing up a blogger in tears because big boys are gossiping about her.<br />Jesus wept...can you imagine Thatcher, Bottomley, or Currie doing this?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755490516141328662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89168380623349293752009-04-13T18:19:00.000+01:002009-04-13T18:19:00.000+01:00"Draper should be distanced but the labourlist is ..."Draper should be distanced but the labourlist is a good counterbalance for all the tory blogs."<BR/>The point is that labourlist is not independent. Staines will have a go at anybody in power.<BR/>ConHome is not a shadow cabinet mouthpiece.<BR/>Dale does not get his instructions from anybody.<BR/><BR/>Labour list is a front for the labour party.<BR/><BR/>Dorris' name was in the blogoshere so she was already outed - and as labour are always saying what has she to fear if she is innocent.<BR/>Its up to her - because the standard defence is to smear the litigant - but I would sue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41449998954148502422009-04-13T16:54:00.000+01:002009-04-13T16:54:00.000+01:00“One question for ian and guidois the hacking of s...<I>“One question for ian and guido<BR/>is the hacking of someones email account acceptable?<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>All this blather about "hacking" emails; just how do you do that anyway ? When I was a server admin you couldn't see anything in the messages themselves.<BR/><BR/>Smokescreen. Labour again caught showing what filth they really are, it's what they do best.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67578174241359760212009-04-13T16:52:00.000+01:002009-04-13T16:52:00.000+01:00One question for ian and guidois the hacking of so...One question for ian and guido<BR/>is the hacking of someones email account acceptable ?<BR/><BR/>Golden balls: the suggestion is actually that someone at UNITE might have printed them off or emailed copies to guido because they were disgusted at Drape/McBride's plans. Draper keeps screaming 'hacked' and threatening lawyers/police yet has not done so. Why?<BR/><BR/>PS Tom Watson isn't allowing comments that ask his views on smeargate to get through on his blog! Mine didn't make it and it was awiting moderation for three days!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02182494901043757399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80550783998938856832009-04-13T16:47:00.000+01:002009-04-13T16:47:00.000+01:00Steve Dixon could nor skewer a defenceless paper b...Steve Dixon could nor skewer a defenceless paper bag. useless.<BR/><BR/>pierce does get some digs in but he needs to be much more nasty.<BR/><BR/>Maguire last time I heard him was just laughing off the economic situation - just a bit more debt, no worry was his attitude.<BR/>He NEEDS to be skewered - he is just a Labour toady, not a serious journalist at all.<BR/><BR/>WV + 'string' as in give Gordon Brown enough of it.<BR/><BR/>BTW - good of Labour to run an operation which has given you and Guido vast acres of publicity you could not pay to get. It has the ham fisted too clever by half fingerprints of Brown written all over it. When that man has an idea be worried very worried. When will Labour wake up?? Lets hope never.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26324614596977907102009-04-13T14:34:00.000+01:002009-04-13T14:34:00.000+01:00Staines needs to sue the DT now!Then we can all re...Staines needs to sue the DT now!<BR/><BR/>Then we can all read Private Eye to work out what really happened.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86345233318598965842009-04-13T14:25:00.000+01:002009-04-13T14:25:00.000+01:00"Mr Staines made clear he was offering the emails ..."Mr Staines made clear he was offering the emails to another newspaper, and wanted a fee if The Daily Telegraph would like to use them. He mentioned a fee of £20,000."<BR/><BR/>This cannot possibly be true. It has been made abundantly clear on this site and elsewhere that Mr. Stain is in fact a saintly individual, motivated only by outrage at the thought of the internet being used to spread scurrilous gossip about Britain's hard working public servants.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16146921441401279532009-04-13T13:17:00.000+01:002009-04-13T13:17:00.000+01:00Was Maguire in the "Red Rag" loop, or was he brief...Was Maguire in the "Red Rag" loop, or was he briefed through separate channels - a wider McPoison black propaganda operation, perhaps drawing in other spinners?<BR/><BR/>Remember, McPoison's emails are public property - they would require to be disclosed under FOI laws. Can I foresee a deluge of FOI requests to Downing Street requesting disclosure of McPoison's email records? It's a criminal offence to destroy documents subject to FOI....Jess The Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01694805454982688213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34640238132372829142009-04-13T12:32:00.000+01:002009-04-13T12:32:00.000+01:00golden_balls said...One question for ian and guido...golden_balls said...<BR/>One question for ian and guido<BR/>is the hacking of someones email account acceptable ?<BR/>........<BR/> Its now legitimate to hack someones emails and publish them on the internet.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The Government have made it legal for them to read any and every email. That is the reason for Guido's timing.<BR/><BR/>"Theredrag.co.uk" site exists, but has no content. If the emails were just banter, there would be no redrag site, would there? Someone has paid (and spent the time and effort arranging) for the hosting and for the domain name - it would be nice to find out who that was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32772185416423951372009-04-13T12:12:00.001+01:002009-04-13T12:12:00.001+01:00Most of the comments left on Maguire's blog were v...Most of the comments left on Maguire's blog were very critical and totally unsupportive of the bollocks he was spouting.<BR/><BR/>I had a discussion about politics in the pub with a few friends on Friday evening (dangerous of course as in religion and politics).......to a man everyone was villifying the government and the senior Labour pols in particular. The anger they fely was palpable. Statistically irrelevant of course, but interesting. Bit of a Hannanesque moment really.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30526984829344017072009-04-13T12:12:00.000+01:002009-04-13T12:12:00.000+01:00It's a shame about Kevin Maguire really. I always ...It's a shame about Kevin Maguire really. I always find him an engaging character, except when he launches into psychotic rants about toffs. <BR/> When he really goes off on one it feels like watching somebody ask Corporal Hitler about Judaism in 1923.<BR/> Maguire was at one time a good journalist. That's all been lost years ago amid the stench of the 'Save Gordon' campaign.Conandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028671462205997161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66272229046919445642009-04-13T11:45:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:45:00.000+01:00Deluded fool obviously drinks in the wrong pubs an...Deluded fool obviously drinks in the wrong pubs and reads the wrong blogs around here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13397942215824809592009-04-13T11:26:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:26:00.000+01:00Chris - I don't think you get it - the blogsphere ...Chris - I don't think you get it - the blogsphere is now the serious media.<BR/><BR/>When mainstream journalists are so gutless and corrupt that they have abbrogated their responsibilities to the like of Ian and Guido - I don't think they are in any shape to complain about bloggers.<BR/><BR/>And Chris, as an arrant apologist for one of the most disgraceful examples of Lord Acton's dictum - surely you cannot be expected to be taken seriouslyMichelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09117510718604467580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25052232010981900212009-04-13T11:20:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:20:00.000+01:00strapworld..Give it time.Old Media needs to wring ...strapworld..<BR/><BR/>Give it time.<BR/><BR/>Old Media needs to wring it's hands, make a few calls consult the stars and runes.<BR/><BR/>Guido on the other hand is celebrating his birthday so he will be well pissed by now so no hope of a response till Tues lunchtime.Granny Catchpole says...https://www.blogger.com/profile/01713150135070144524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49940210836634689072009-04-13T11:11:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:11:00.000+01:00Don't think it's clear where the tea room gossip a...Don't think it's clear where the tea room gossip and indeed attempted story tips re Nadine came from.<BR/><BR/>John Torode suggested that these things had been doing the rounds for yonks, even before mid-January.<BR/><BR/>There are two explanations at least:<BR/><BR/>1. As Torode says (most of) these things were already in the system whether from McBride or otherwise;<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>2. As Dale says McBride made all these up from scratch.<BR/><BR/>These cannot both be true. I think Nadine must be mad to have outed herself. She would probably not have been named if she had not done so.<BR/><BR/>I also note that several of the rumours on what was in these emails have still not been repeated by any serious media.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72384327584019620682009-04-13T11:10:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:10:00.000+01:00I do not understand, if the government (Gordon Bro...I do not understand, if the government (Gordon Brown) is to be believed, then why did they accept Damian McBride resignation, should he not have been dismissed? The fact that he has not been dismissed suggests that he was operating within the framework set by his employer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05365634465072465448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3587217116025262452009-04-13T11:02:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:02:00.000+01:00There is something rotten at the core of the Labou...There is something rotten at the core of the Labour party that is eating it away and it is called New Labour. Under Blair and Brown, the Labour Party has become solely about the pursuit and retention of power. In its desperation to retain power New Labour has routinely indulged in politics that are so dirty, smear filled, personalised, and negative, that they have reached a new low in UK politics. Its agent provocateurs are brutal, malevolent, mendacious and extremely unpleasant. Some infest these blog posts. One man is more responsible than most - Gordon Brown.<BR/><BR/>In the much-vaunted 'court of public opinion', the verdict is that Brown's is a government which has lost all direction or semblance of coherence. It is pitifully, woefully, even dangerously out of its depth. It is devoid of ideas, denuded of principle, absent even of endearing personalities. Here in Scotland, it has long since ceased to be a Labour party and is now simply the anti-SNP party, infected with the canker-ridden sourness of temper tantrums that flow from someone having ‘stolen’ their sweetie.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007476683582095027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41991662022841956792009-04-13T11:00:00.000+01:002009-04-13T11:00:00.000+01:00Granny Catchpole..One and a half hours and no repl...Granny Catchpole..One and a half hours and no reply. Just what are we loyal Telegraph readers to make of that?strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5612716959237259522009-04-13T10:51:00.000+01:002009-04-13T10:51:00.000+01:00other than hacking how else have the emails got in...other than hacking how else have the emails got in staines grubby hands ?<BR/><BR/>I have already said that since reading the emails i have changed my views.<BR/><BR/>i do think mcbride should have gone and much sooner than he did. Draper should be distanced but the labourlist is a good counterbalance<BR/>for all the tory blogs.<BR/><BR/>@strapworld<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what the libel laws are so i can't disagree with what you say. <BR/><BR/>But would anyone like personal emails to be published i for one wouldn't ! <BR/><BR/>if anyone would please post username and password and we can all have a look. any offers ian guido ???golden_ballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17002302454171212086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32178393558136761432009-04-13T10:50:00.000+01:002009-04-13T10:50:00.000+01:00Goldenballs - it is much more likely that someone ...Goldenballs - it is much more likely that someone who McBride, Draper or whoever had done down decided to get their own back - and quite right too.<BR/>And as for " never meant to see the light of day" as Iain says - Bolloks. Nadine is all over the meedja saying she was asked about the allegations in connection with herself months ago.<BR/>WV= tostekinglearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10252474133821652670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75347120212309208192009-04-13T10:41:00.000+01:002009-04-13T10:41:00.000+01:00The shameless DT should check its own moral compas...The shameless DT should check its own moral compass.<BR/><BR/>Today the lead states "McBride left his job as special adviser to Mr Brown on Saturday after the DT disclosed the existence of emails outlining the smears".<BR/><BR/>This gives the impression that the DT story was instrumental in McBrides' departure, whereas the article actually appears to have been inspired by McBride himself in attempt to save his bacon.<BR/><BR/>An enquiry is needed into exactly what was the provenance of the Saturday article and why it pretended that the real issue was a private spat between Dolly and Guido rather than the actual wrongdoing and why it subtly smeared Guido (with reference to his drink driving ban and quotations of being 'a nihilist' and 'preposterous').Weygandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11359751090279735138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42417352651612330982009-04-13T10:39:00.000+01:002009-04-13T10:39:00.000+01:00Stephen Nolan on Radio 5 defending Brown. I expect...Stephen Nolan on Radio 5 defending Brown. I expect the BBC to wheel out all the usual left wing creeps to defend McNokia.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574081059364644191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22284196929495113562009-04-13T10:37:00.000+01:002009-04-13T10:37:00.000+01:00golden balls: There is NO evidence that ANY email ...golden balls: There is NO evidence that ANY email accounts were hacked. Stop listening to that slaphead backbench lobby fodder Stephen Pound. The idiot doesn't even know what the internet is.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574081059364644191noreply@blogger.com