tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3809854271906650798..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: David Davis's Walk Into the UnknownIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27619555287004220862008-06-15T09:20:00.000+01:002008-06-15T09:20:00.000+01:00In taking this bizarre stand Davis is actually in ...In taking this bizarre stand Davis is actually in denial about democracy. He might not like the new law - he's far from alone in that. And he is quite right as well that there are some threats to our freedoms in this and other actions of the Labour government. But in a parliamentary democracy we have freedom of speech and a forum, in Parliament, for debate. Then there is a vote. And that decides what will happen. To try and fight this new law in the way that he has Davis is actually bringing parliamentary democracy into disrepute. And by rather arrogantly saying that it will be the electors of his constituency who will send a message on this issue Davis makes himself look rather absurd. Quite why the good burgers of Haltemprice and Howden should be seen as representatives of public opinion on this matter I have no idea. The daft idea is unlikely to run anyway because the other major parties, understandably, look as if they won't play ball.<BR/> <BR/><BR/>I met David Davis around the time of the 2005 Election and although his politics are not my politics I liked him as a man and I respect his integrity. It is rather sad that he now seems to have lost his marbles and I trust that the men in white coats are not waiting around the corner for him.Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48248455175527774862008-06-14T14:01:00.000+01:002008-06-14T14:01:00.000+01:00You've misused the word enormity in your first par...You've misused the word enormity in your first paragraph.<BR/>It doesn't mean big, it means wicked.<BR/>Davis's decision might be a big one, or a courageous one or a foolish one.<BR/>But it isn't wicked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89014012659862118182008-06-13T14:37:00.000+01:002008-06-13T14:37:00.000+01:00The media seems to be under the thrall of Labour s...The media seems to be under the thrall of Labour spin doctors, talking about how bad this is for the Tories.<BR/><BR/>This is nothing to do with party politics and I don't care about what it will do in the short term, he is focussing the debate the most appalling set of legislation this government has had the gall to pass.<BR/><BR/>Taxes go up and down, parties' favour waxes and wanes, but civil liberties should never be compromised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66304925463620398082008-06-13T12:43:00.000+01:002008-06-13T12:43:00.000+01:00I am really disappointed DD has done this. If he ...I am really disappointed DD has done this. If he hadn't, the big political story would be whether Brown lied when he said he had done no deals to push 42 days through Parliament. Instead, the country is asking whether one of the most senior Tories has taken leave of his senses.<BR/><BR/>I think DD has taken leave of his senses. I agree with his views, but why resign your seat because you are an opposition MP that agrees with your own party and disagrees with the government? Next we will be hearing that the Pope has resigned because he disagrees with the Archbishop of Canterbury's views of contraception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78973870774954481622008-06-13T10:18:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:18:00.000+01:00I have always been an admirer of David Davis but I...I have always been an admirer of David Davis but I think he must have taken leave of his senses.<BR/><BR/>It would make sense if he was standing on a point of principle against a policy held by his own party but this is just a stunt.<BR/><BR/>This will backfire on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29801606193890104952008-06-13T09:29:00.000+01:002008-06-13T09:29:00.000+01:00Gareth said... "Must have been a different pension...Gareth said... <BR/><I>"Must have been a different pensioner named Walter Wolfgang with a valid pass around his neck and already in the conference hall who was violently removed from his seat by mobhanded security for having the temerity to boo while Jack Straw was speaking. Having been ungraciously removed he was then detained while the Police checked his identity."</I><BR/><BR/>His Visitor's pass was valid at the time that he was ejected for heckling but it was then confiscated.<BR/><BR/>He was stopped by the police only when he tried to get back into the hall (without a valid pass) later that day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53639357003410794912008-06-13T09:21:00.000+01:002008-06-13T09:21:00.000+01:00Anon 11.38 p.m."What is it about the left's compul...Anon 11.38 p.m.<BR/><BR/><I>"What is it about the left's compulsive desire to lie and mislead?<BR/><BR/>Wolfgang was in the hall, not trying to get in. He was ejected and then arrested for shouting 'nonsense' in the direction of Jack Straw. The valid pass you say he was not in possession of was confiscated."</I><BR/><BR/>Get your facts right.<BR/><BR/>Wolfgang was in the hall on a Visitor's pass (he was not a Delegate). He was ejected by the stewards for repeatedly heckling and his pass was confiscated. He was not arrested.<BR/><BR/>He was stopped by the police (not arrested) when he tried to get back into the conference hall. The police would have stopped anyone else who did not have a valid pass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72200277387519683302008-06-13T08:43:00.000+01:002008-06-13T08:43:00.000+01:00One-Hundred !One-Hundred !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13596912253230309022008-06-13T08:04:00.000+01:002008-06-13T08:04:00.000+01:00as a DD constituent and party member i am very con...as a DD constituent and party member i am very concerned that DD is cocking things up for us. after so many years in the wilderness if he threatens cameron in any way i wont vote for him. If Mckenzie stands he will be a potent opponent.<BR/><BR/>speaking to unpolitical friends they AGREE with the 42 days and feel that as (shadow) Home sec he would have been in a powerful position to fight for freedom so whats he up to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62020040105290554432008-06-13T05:51:00.000+01:002008-06-13T05:51:00.000+01:00Iain, the emphasis you and DD put on the morality ...Iain, the emphasis you and DD put on the morality of this must lead you to oppose all extensions which undermine Habeus Corpus and Magna Carta. You cannot cry foul and then support 28 days but not forty. It is great to see Conservatives discover the real freedom agenda but morality is not a pic-n-mix sweet shop. You're all nearly there, just go that little bit extra.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50620448584773180122008-06-13T04:11:00.000+01:002008-06-13T04:11:00.000+01:00I oppose 42 days, and I agree with Davis on the er...I oppose 42 days, and I agree with Davis on the erosion of our freedoms. But to be frank, I think Davis is being very self-indulgent. He will end up looking a bit heroic and mostly silly, the whole thing will achieve nothing but damage the party. I like Davis, but the decision is so inexplicable that I can't help suspecting it's a leadership bid. The fact that the conservative is now looking on course to a general election victory must have made his failed leadership bid more painful. If he’s indeed doing this solely to defend civil liberties, I'd like him to come out and rule himself out for the party leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86669910799520032562008-06-13T03:34:00.000+01:002008-06-13T03:34:00.000+01:00Only just seen the news - I've been on a plane all...Only just seen the news - I've been on a plane all day. Astonished and amazed - unbelievably brave, and utterly delightful.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896235681242722952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69749516771124834012008-06-13T01:39:00.000+01:002008-06-13T01:39:00.000+01:00A lovely post Iain - as a new blogger can I shamel...A lovely post Iain - as a new blogger can I shamelessly plug my piece on the leaders thoughts on this issue (and their pyjamas)<BR/>http://extendedextemporaneousness.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/insomnia/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61168937718603839632008-06-13T01:01:00.000+01:002008-06-13T01:01:00.000+01:00One: Total support for David Davis. At last, thank...One: Total support for David Davis. At last, thank you God for someone in public life with some spine who won't take the shite anymore.<BR/>Two: To all buffoons on this blog whining about what DD has done--the hell with you all. Our Fathers ( and some of our Mothers also) paid their lives to create and protect the freedoms that ZaNuLab is busy wiping its backside on and you bellyache about party politics. I will be going to help in the Davis campaign (if they will have me) as well as paying money in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45219702160606822762008-06-13T00:52:00.000+01:002008-06-13T00:52:00.000+01:00There are 3 million adults in the UK who regularly...There are 3 million adults in the UK who regularly use cannabis - David Davis wants to take their freedom away and jail them for up to five years. That's unjust and worse than 42 days without charge.<BR/><BR/>None of these 3 million people David Davis wants to criminalise and jail should vote for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17915856263067762452008-06-13T00:30:00.000+01:002008-06-13T00:30:00.000+01:00to auntie flo or old colleen from old harlow : ad ...to auntie flo or old colleen from old harlow : ad hominem arguments yet again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64528533996546267882008-06-13T00:27:00.000+01:002008-06-13T00:27:00.000+01:00I will be able to remember what I was doing when I...I will be able to remember what I was doing when I heard this news for many years.<BR/>The hairs stood up on the back of my neck.<BR/>According to Kelvin McKenzie, Rupert Murdoch wants to finance a candidate if none of the other major parties stand.<BR/><BR/>If this were to occur, such an election would sum up all the issues facing England today: the Fox would be in the open for the first time in 30 years.<BR/><BR/>Even I would be up there. You have to believe in the opinion of the ordinary citizen against the kite flying, monopolistic flip flopping media mogul <BR/><BR/>or all is lost.The Military Wing Of The BBChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811519612440901811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31030287281452311602008-06-13T00:23:00.000+01:002008-06-13T00:23:00.000+01:00In possibly not standing a candidate and joining D...In possibly not standing a candidate and joining Davis's challenge to debate, are we going to see another outing for the election-cancelling 'Bottler Brown'?<BR/><BR/>That'd be right back to the start of all his troubles ... surely not a good look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6001547999952569012008-06-12T23:53:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:53:00.000+01:00David Davis' actions have made me proud to be Brit...David Davis' actions have made me proud to be British in a way that no other politician has in a long long time. <BR/><BR/>I for one will be backing him in anyway that I can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77659540948333072492008-06-12T23:38:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:38:00.000+01:00Re Walter Wolfgang Anonymous (17:16)said...He wasn...Re Walter Wolfgang Anonymous (17:16)said...<BR/><BR/>He wasn't arrested for heckling. He was stopped (and held briefly while the police checked him out) because he was trying to get into the Labour Party conference without a valid pass.<BR/><BR/>What is it about the left's compulsive desire to lie and mislead?<BR/><BR/>Wolfgang was in the hall, not trying to get in. He was ejected and then arrested for shouting 'nonsense' in the direction of Jack Straw. The valid pass you say he was not in possession of was confiscated.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I agree with the comments about Mc Numpty. Watching him on Q-time tonight, I have arrived at my own question. Why doesn't some tell hm to shut the f*** up ? What an appalling, arrogant cnut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73974981747487658102008-06-12T23:33:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:33:00.000+01:00No wonder the country is in such a disgusting mess...No wonder the country is in such a disgusting mess. That we are heading for a police state, unchallenged by any of the so-called elite.<BR/>One man stands up and shows a bit of principle and I have spent an evening watching with utter contempt as the media and politicians vie with each other to ridicule him and try to bring him down.<BR/>I realized things were bad but Michael Heseltine's remarks were vile and the attitude of many commentators, that no one should stand against DD but just leave him alone with egg on his face shows such a contempt for the whole system of democracy - it beggars belief.<BR/>Of course Labour must stand and defend its position - if they don't David Davies has completely won his entire case. The attack on our freedoms by the creeping fascists and elitists is indefensible. They can't deny it - they cannot excuse it, they cannot make a case for it.<BR/>David Davies should receive their praise in such a case not derision.<BR/>I had thought the media and politicians in this country had reached a sordid rock bottom. Until tonight. They have just managed to sink into an utter slime pit.<BR/>To your credit Mr Dale you haven't played their game. At least as citizens we now know who the enemies of our freedom are and journalists are very high on the list.<BR/>Elizabethrosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032680013780447537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21121897949356874922008-06-12T23:30:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:30:00.000+01:00Well done, David Davis! I used to dislike you but ...Well done, David Davis! I used to dislike you but now think you're a great bloke.<BR/><BR/>Many of us have been longing for a public debate on our sinister surveillance state almost since nulab came to power. Now, thanks to you, we are going to have one.<BR/>Thank you so much for that.<BR/><BR/>And Milband admirer, canvas, how much more boringly repetitive can you become? You've been trying to get rid of David Davis and saying,<BR/>"Bye Bye David Davis. Time to move on." for years. <BR/><BR/>Change the track, will you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34925853185418295342008-06-12T23:10:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:10:00.000+01:00"Enormity" means great evil or wickedness, not "en..."Enormity" means great evil or wickedness, not "enormousness". Presumably you are not trying to say that Davis's action was evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57702632510619084462008-06-12T22:34:00.000+01:002008-06-12T22:34:00.000+01:00"...It is always a simple matter to drag the peopl..."...It is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." <BR/><BR/> Herman Goering<BR/> Nuremberg, 1946<BR/><BR/>Go for it, DD - and thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39427307555836687872008-06-12T22:10:00.000+01:002008-06-12T22:10:00.000+01:00I don't get some people but maybe I'm naive.Are so...I don't get some people but maybe I'm naive.<BR/><BR/>Are some of you seriously saying that Ministers of State such as McNulty, Blears, Kelly, Jackie Spliff, the Robot twins - in fact practically the whole cabinet - would ever, ever have the guts to actually resign from the trough on the basis of what they really believed in.<BR/><BR/>Oh, sorry, they don't believe in anything, do they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com