tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3400314102777548856..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: When Fiction Poses as JournalismIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16816567077939607252008-11-16T17:56:00.000+00:002008-11-16T17:56:00.000+00:00Read thishttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/busines...Read this<BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/business/worldbusiness/16summit.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss<BR/><BR/>NYT report on the G20 farce and all the big players get a mention except Bi-polar Brown.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42756085516008341172008-11-16T14:04:00.000+00:002008-11-16T14:04:00.000+00:00Just seen Osborne onAndrew Marr. A great performa...Just seen Osborne onAndrew Marr. A great performance. a little bit sticky over his future role but his comments about telling the truth are wounding to Brown. Also laughed when Marr's selective interpretation of opinion polls was revealed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73167632355426172542008-11-16T13:23:00.000+00:002008-11-16T13:23:00.000+00:00Perhaps wrong thread but worth a look at- The New...Perhaps wrong thread but worth a look <BR/>at- The New York Times-<BR/>"World Leaders Vow Joint Push to Aid Economy".<BR/><BR/>The quotes are quite revealing.<BR/>publish date 15/11/08.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20641604319696102472008-11-16T13:20:00.000+00:002008-11-16T13:20:00.000+00:00Pickworth. You did it again. You are too witty. So...Pickworth. You did it again. You are too witty. Sod Tara and Wayne, I have a regular date in Switzerland and next time I get there I shall just about be able to shell out for one plate of rosti, two forks and a novelty sized Toblerone. It's not funny and I would quite like to see Brown's nadgers hanging from my Christmas Tree, singed by the fairy lights.<BR/><BR/>Osborne has stated the bloody obvious and Brown is just clutching at Straws. If this was Guido or the Devil, I would use the language of the hoi-polloi.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31176698735478761092008-11-16T13:16:00.000+00:002008-11-16T13:16:00.000+00:00Iain,when are you and other conservatives going to...Iain,when are you and other conservatives going to challenge the anti tory news media,inwhich I would say is now 90% backing brown and labour,TV news and news papers.I have watched sky news lately and they are blatanly backing brown and labour,plus they anti tory stories,come on Iain ,you go on sky news,you must challenge they polital editors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52258785259648672922008-11-16T13:05:00.000+00:002008-11-16T13:05:00.000+00:00Of course, the other alternative would be to offer...Of course, the other alternative would be to offer a substitute 'weakest link' as a 'sacrificial lamb'. You know, the way they do with students / fat blokes / ugly women on Anne Robinson's highbrow telly programme... <BR/><BR/>What about Paul Murphy ?? He is creating a flap as Welsh Secretary over 'devolved powers' or some such. <BR/><BR/>He could be sacrificed only to rise again as speaker, and divert attention from Osborne momentarily - the smokescreen would only last a few weeks, but then Christmas recess would kick in and people's minds would be elsewhere...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32843762583941115612008-11-16T12:38:00.000+00:002008-11-16T12:38:00.000+00:00I agree in all these the real chancellor Darling i...I agree in all these the real chancellor Darling is reduced to scribbling pieces to newspapers supporting his boss.<BR/><BR/>Scots who know him say that it is ahuge jump for a local lwyer in Edinburgh who was an obsecure local councillor to become chancellor. They assure it is not through merit.<BR/><BR/>There are no Scots besides Menges with whom Brown used to fly to Edinbugh back home after parliament.<BR/><BR/>Osborne should keep on hammering<BR/>Labour and Cameron should choose 3-4 eye-catching phrases which depicts how Labour let this country down. He should repeat these 3-4 whenver he is interviewed. Nothin better than visibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38418294449459139032008-11-16T12:29:00.000+00:002008-11-16T12:29:00.000+00:00Chris Paul:You mean 'so what' as Balls really said...Chris Paul:<BR/><BR/>You mean 'so what' as Balls really said?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37320700489764498382008-11-16T12:17:00.000+00:002008-11-16T12:17:00.000+00:00I recall reading somewhere a few months ago, that ...I recall reading somewhere a few months ago, that the political media were looking for a change of focus from the "Brown disaster" stories. Obviously they have decided to create a "Osborne disaster" story.<BR/><BR/>Osborne is the story now and the press will not rest until they get his scalp.<BR/><BR/>It scares me the power the press has over us....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4364316843651584232008-11-16T11:52:00.000+00:002008-11-16T11:52:00.000+00:00Quite right - hands of George Osborne! He's doing...Quite right - hands of George Osborne! He's doing a fantastic job. Many of us want to hear and see a lot more of him. He really sums up the image of the Conservative Party that we want see portrayed. <BR/><BR/>Can't wait until we get to hear his new 'dumbed down' accent - should be hilarious!Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425510089067862311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92058043552893637472008-11-16T11:44:00.000+00:002008-11-16T11:44:00.000+00:00Jabba would suggest that the Boy George is tolerat...Jabba would suggest that the Boy George is tolerated by the Tory rank and file, along with Call Me Dave, strictly for the time being whilst still harbouring a deep suspicion that the current front bench contains a crop of very shallow individuals who potentially lack the gravitas and will power to deal with the real problems facing the country and handling deftly the poison chalice that will be inherited by the Tories at the next election.<BR/><BR/>The only reason that rumblings are mostly subterranean stems from the recognition that the Labour front bench under Jonah, have an even greater shallowness that is measurable in mere molecules, and consequently Labour are unlikely to regain the upper hand by the time of the next election. Therefore the Tory leadership double act is solely tolerated as that of the lesser of two evils and wholly dissimilar to the position of Mrs Thatcher who stood head and shoulders above the Labour opponents at the time.Jabba the Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378736389976858775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7673527381873226302008-11-16T11:27:00.000+00:002008-11-16T11:27:00.000+00:00All Osborne did was speak the blinding truth. If ...All Osborne did was speak the blinding truth. If that is enough to be denounced by the media and government then we are in deeper than we thought.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74383226691771925272008-11-16T11:23:00.001+00:002008-11-16T11:23:00.001+00:00Mandy is just 'playing with him' as a cat plays wi...Mandy is just 'playing with him' as a cat plays with a mouse.. <BR/><BR/>If Mandy wanted to destroy him, his career would already be over...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67985481635583830892008-11-16T11:23:00.000+00:002008-11-16T11:23:00.000+00:00The media have gone mad this weekend, there is def...The media have gone mad this weekend, there is definitely something going on. Elements of the News International Group in particular seem to have it in for the Tories in general and George Osborne in particular. I've been watching Sky this morning and they've been trotting out the Labour line as if it were indisputable fact, they've also taken the Times poll as a sign that the Tories are done for because they only have a lead of 5% and haven't even mentioned the Independent poll (even if the Times poll is the one they paid for they should at least look at the Independent poll).<BR/><BR/>Iain you have to pay a visit to your friends at Sky and hold them to account.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51773782861423605692008-11-16T10:54:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:54:00.000+00:00This smacks of media manipulation by Nu Labour. Cl...This smacks of media manipulation by Nu Labour. Classic stuff. Osbourne makes a perfectly acceptable set of remarks about the perilous state of the pound - belatedly it must be said. There is no answer to his arguments. The pound is stuffed. So Labour distracts attention with a red herring. "Breach of convention. Gordon digging us out doesn't need this sort of distracting etc. etc." All utter balls. Brown is largely responsible for the mess, but Joe Public has a short memory.<BR/><BR/>Labour line plays well with the electorate because a) they're worried b) Brown is "doing something" c) Tories look like pack of playboy carpers. Plus Cameron foolishly during the bank collapse promised bipartisan support. Looks inconsistent. Polls head south.<BR/><BR/>Now for part B. Weaken a key Cameron lieutenant. OK, we're not going to force him out, but we can damage him so that he is moved. OR if we go for a spring election he is still in post and lacks creditability. It will be the playboys v's the people's champions. The latter of course being experienced team members of Rescue International etc. Again king size balls but goes down well with Joe Public...<BR/><BR/>Of course I might be being a tad cynical......Richard Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021997075923737760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15925116130312363042008-11-16T10:50:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:50:00.000+00:00Agreed, George Osborne was flawless on Marr.No dou...Agreed, George Osborne was flawless on Marr.<BR/><BR/>No doubt the Labour spinsters are currently photoshopping some Marr/Osborne orgy photos as we speak for tomorrow's Daily Mirror.<BR/><BR/>By the way George, if you're looking in... Don't forget to give the Proles some real world back story about the crippled Pound. The petrol/dollar comment this morning was good but don't forget to tell the public about the impoverished British pensioners struggling abroad or that Tara and Wayne will be paying much more for their Sangria in Torremolinos next year.<BR/><BR/>By the way, concerning the 'sources' for the Osborne stories; Andrew Neil on Boulton's Sky show just said that most of the briefing against Osborne had been coming direct from Washington. Ermmm, not from the residents of course but from those at then G20 dinner and dance - wink wink.John Pickworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02166443099429490782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64715559551054683282008-11-16T10:40:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:40:00.000+00:00It comes to something when the Shadow Chancellor i...It comes to something when the Shadow Chancellor is slated for stating the bleedin' obvious.<BR/><BR/>Brown puts the nation into a position where the pound could be toast and we are supposed to keep quiet?<BR/><BR/>The Telegraph in particular but equally the juvenile hacks from The Spectator are just plain pathetic.<BR/><BR/>But Osborne has yet again done a great service - he has pointed out the elephant in the room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31968094451095580322008-11-16T10:25:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:25:00.000+00:00But what are the sources of these stories ? Perhap...But what are the sources of these stories ? Perhaps they are coming from within the Tory party who want to do a bit of 'kite-flying' [or even 'Melissa-Kite-Flying' ?] about what to do as a contingency in the worst case scenario of Mr Osborne 'falling under the Clapham omnibus'? <BR/><BR/>We hear this morning that he takes lessons on how to 'lose' his upper class accent. I have no idea whether this is true, or whether it is just a bit of gentle voice coaching, but the problem is that punters will think "Well, that is the sort of thing he would do.."<BR/><BR/>Without some supportive noises from Cameron, there's a danger that he could be toast...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82668091148037011222008-11-16T10:11:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:11:00.000+00:00The problem seems to be as follows..If the BBC des...The problem seems to be as follows..<BR/><BR/>If the BBC describe George Osborne as having 'Green Hair', then it won't cause too much trouble, since everyone can see it is not true. <BR/><BR/>If the Torygraph say Osborne has 'Blue Hair' then it will be ignored as the evidence of one's mince pies contradicts this. <BR/><BR/>If the Sunday Times say Osborne has 'Red Hair', it won't rock the boat, as people won't pick up the paper and the story will not gain any legs...<BR/><BR/>But if the Torygraph and Times say he is in trouble [without evidence] and the BBC then describe him [as they did on last night's midnight news] as, shock, 'beleaguered'...<BR/><BR/>Well, if people disbelieve this just a teensy bit less than the 'He has green hair story', then the problem is that credibility for the story has been gained in the minds of the public. Perhaps Mr Dale you need to focus less on 'shooting the messenger. And more on why people find some inaccurate stories more believable than the truth ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35799886780043275742008-11-16T10:03:00.000+00:002008-11-16T10:03:00.000+00:00Osbourne just did an excellent job to the Andy Mar...Osbourne just did an excellent job to the Andy Marr show. Clear, sensible, and cut to the heart of the failings of Labour. Good job George...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22669751986997093552008-11-16T09:52:00.000+00:002008-11-16T09:52:00.000+00:00It would seem that the labour party and its media ...It would seem that the labour party and its media whores are desperate to unseat Osborne.I would say that they are terrified of him and Mandelson was only brought back to take him down whatever the cost hence the seat in the Lords which makes him very safe.<BR/>If this plan worked then Snotty would be free to borrow like a loon without any credible opposition.<BR/><BR/>Looks like it failed though.<BR/><BR/>Ps you can quote me if you want.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01024073152949016734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56356673080543595822008-11-16T09:50:00.000+00:002008-11-16T09:50:00.000+00:00A warm supportive statement from Dave would solve ...A warm supportive statement from Dave would solve the problem.Why the pregnant silence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64386212912725368942008-11-16T09:37:00.000+00:002008-11-16T09:37:00.000+00:00Finally the Tories are coming to a sensible positi...Finally the Tories are coming to a sensible position. Gordon has been spending like a drunken sailor, and we are now sufferring the hangover. The solution is not to start drinking again!<BR/><BR/>Tax cuts now may be nessecary to minimise collateral damage, but to do this without a plan to pay the debts is irresponsible. We may have low inflation for a year but have then high interest rates and high inflation.<BR/><BR/>Osbourne has not talked down the pound, the markets have already spoken, and it looks as if it will fall much further if the debts are not repaid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18901941193861699352008-11-16T09:34:00.000+00:002008-11-16T09:34:00.000+00:00Iain,I would also cite the comments on Nick Robins...Iain,<BR/><BR/>I would also cite the comments on Nick Robinson's blog in support of Osborne's comments. <BR/><BR/>I would guess these are 95% supportive, probably because the Draper Trolls leave that one alone assuming it is mainly pro-Labour anyway.<BR/><BR/>I would link it, but I'm rubbish at stuff like that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7933620342975168662008-11-16T09:20:00.000+00:002008-11-16T09:20:00.000+00:00Iain,He is the wrong man in the wrong job. Cameron...Iain,<BR/><BR/>He is the wrong man in the wrong job. <BR/><BR/>Cameron should be saying what he is saying, as it changes what he announced at your conference!<BR/><BR/>Or, is Cameron in the pocket of Osborne as Blair was with Brown?<BR/><BR/>I made the comment, on Conservative Home, that Osborne should be removed for at least one reason and that, as I have said on your blog, is his disloyalty to colleagues.<BR/><BR/>Once a backstabber forever a backstabber. Backstabbers cause disunity and division. Osborne did the party an injustice when talking so stupidly to Mandleson.<BR/><BR/>He cannot be forgiven for that.<BR/><BR/>No common sense! No class!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.com