tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3361344433448243586..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: A Thought on Baroness ScotlandIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4703685314394977842009-09-26T09:45:47.796+01:002009-09-26T09:45:47.796+01:00@Mike Law,
In some parts of the world you would b...@Mike Law,<br /><br />In some parts of the world you would be called a creole! Congratulations.<br /><br />Racism does not have much, if anything to do with those who are hated or discriminated against. It's about the fears of the racists.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69340178717404901062009-09-25T22:38:26.990+01:002009-09-25T22:38:26.990+01:00@ Paul Halsall,
Erm, my grandfather on my mother&...@ Paul Halsall,<br /><br />Erm, my grandfather on my mother's side was a Jew; he was a follower of a religion and he was of the same race as me.<br /><br />My grandfather on my father's side was a Scot; he was Scottish national and he was of the same race as me.<br /><br />I'm English and an atheist - I'm white.<br /><br />My wife is English and a catholic; she's of a different race to me as she is black.Mike Lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86367718941600749682009-09-25T00:01:13.921+01:002009-09-25T00:01:13.921+01:00" Osama the Nazarene said...
Getting fined £5..." Osama the Nazarene said...<br />Getting fined £5K for not keeping photocopies sounds really draconian."<br /><br />It is draconian I think. For this type of employment situation anyway. For what I'd call an amateur employer. Micros I'd also cut some slack. Regular business less so. <br /> <br />Don't think anyone has produced anything to suggest that BS knew or suspected this woman was not legal. What would be her motivation for taking a risk like this? She thought this woman was legal I'd say.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46527332786888735972009-09-23T17:49:52.773+01:002009-09-23T17:49:52.773+01:00"Oddly, that is the very same date as the las..."Oddly, that is the very same date as the last update to the page."<br /><br />You mean not one of us referred to this document before it existed? That is spooky.<br /><br />What can I say? You got us.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75516629912547513252009-09-23T17:06:56.167+01:002009-09-23T17:06:56.167+01:00"Not one has a date earlier than 20th Sept. O..."Not one has a date earlier than 20th Sept. Oddly, that is the very same date as the last update to the page."<br /><br />Presumably becasue it would be impossible to link to a page before it was set up? I see there are no responses to Iain's post before 22 September...<br /><br />You're linking to a report from the Senior Salaries Review Body, not a piece of legislation.Malcolm Tuckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21725928620700289442009-09-23T14:18:46.085+01:002009-09-23T14:18:46.085+01:00If you are caught plagiarising while doing law at ...If you are caught plagiarising while doing law at university in Scotland, you are disqualified from joining the Law Society of Scotland and practising as a solicitor. For a piece of student idiocy, your career is ended before it begins.<br /><br />If you are caught breaking a law that you yourself introduced and are, thus, not only a criminal but a profoundly stupid criminal, you are a wholly fit and proper individual to hold the office of Attorney General. You can actually ignore the law and still have a glittering legal career.<br /><br />One law for those who run the State, another for the rest of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35535613914149295622009-09-23T13:12:05.146+01:002009-09-23T13:12:05.146+01:00Malcolm Tucker, you seem to have fallen into the s...Malcolm Tucker, you seem to have fallen into the same trap as everyone else. Look around thwitter, etc and you'll see a number of such posts as yours - maybe you mad them all. Not one has a date earlier than 20th Sept. Oddly, that is the very same date as the last update to the page.<br /><br />A little digging and you find this:<br /><br />"8.1<br />Paid Ministers and other paid office holders cannot claim the members’ overnight allowance but instead may receive Night Subsistence Allowance, equivalent to 220 nights at the overnight subsistence rate. This is available to those whose main or sole home is outside London and who need to fund other accommodation in order to undertake official duties. The allowance is currently £38,280 per annum; it is taxed and paid with salary."<br /><br />Note that is says outside London.<br />Source: http://www.ome.uk.com/downloads/SSRB%20review%20of%20House%20of%20Lords%20expenses%20-%20consultation%20document%20-%2030%20June%202009%20-%20pdf.pdf#15<br /><br />There seems to have been a very surreptitious change to the rules.Any colour but brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34420162330584395182009-09-23T12:47:42.081+01:002009-09-23T12:47:42.081+01:00Note to everyone who keeps saying "There'...Note to everyone who keeps saying "There's one law for them and one for everyone else, how come she gets away with it etc" - SHE DIDN'T GET AWAY WITH IT. She got fined £5,000. If anything, it seems she got punished MORE than "normal people", as most first-offenders employing one illegal immigrant get let off with a warning. <br /><br />Today's Mail has a pair of indignant retailers complaining that they were fined £10,000 and £20,000 for committing exactly the same offence with two and four employees respectively, then claiming it's unfair as they got fined more. This despite 2x5 being 10 and 4x5 being 20. <br /><br />One even says she should be treated MORE harshly because of who she is.<br /><br />The Mail does not say these people should be banned from running cafes, BTW.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81171517580464063932009-09-23T12:42:24.546+01:002009-09-23T12:42:24.546+01:00"Jelly Custard said...
And what if said Magi...<i>"<b>Jelly Custard</b> said... <br />And what if said Magistrate also claimed £170,000 from the taxpayer inappropriately too?"</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/newsroom/news_stories/090920-lordsoffice-allowance.aspx" rel="nofollow">She didn't.</a> Doesn't stop the Tory liars repeating the same ill-informed falsehood over and over again, though, all the while screaming about Gordon Brown has "no honour".Malcolm Tuckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7745205801403160352009-09-23T11:42:45.551+01:002009-09-23T11:42:45.551+01:00As a long serving magistrate, I can confirm that a...As a long serving magistrate, I can confirm that any criminal offence, and any civil matter that might bring the magistracy into disrepute, will trigger an investigation by an independent body - the local Advisory Committee. A report will be submitted to the Lord Chief Justice, who will decide whether to take no action. admonish the magistrate, reprimand the magistrate or remove the magistrate. There is also a power of suspension. The behaviour of relatives or friends can also bring an investigation and penalty - even if the magistrate themself had not actually done anything - if the circumstances could bring the magistracy into disrepute. If a magistrate had had a criminal fine, or civil penalty, of £5000 they would be out NO QUESTION.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28165382931745043352009-09-23T11:01:42.189+01:002009-09-23T11:01:42.189+01:00http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8270...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8270351.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29074915837499397652009-09-23T10:53:37.893+01:002009-09-23T10:53:37.893+01:00@Verity. I used "Black" as has been cus...@Verity. I used "Black" as has been customary on the left when referring to Black people. <br /><br />It is racist to attack people simply for belonging to a race. Although skin colour has, especially in the United States, become the main determiner among some users, it is not really the issue. <br /><br />Most Jews are white, but Antisemitism is a form of racism. In the same, a person attacked for being English while in Scotland is undergoing a racist attack.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56227936227470716572009-09-23T10:01:26.954+01:002009-09-23T10:01:26.954+01:00" Osama the Nazarene said...
Getting fine..." Osama the Nazarene said...<br /> Getting fined £5K for not keeping photocopies sounds really draconian. "<br /><br />The fine is for not having proof that you have checked the employees documents. The rule is clear "2.11 If you cannot provide a record of having conducted the prescribed document checks prior to recruitment.......". <br /><br />Rule 2.8 states "A full check shall be considered to have been<br />conducted where you can provide copies of certain documents....."<br /><br />The law regards the copies as proof that the checks have been carried out and on which documents - certain documents require the checks to be carried out annually.<br /><br />Rule 2.12 states "In each case, it is for you to show that you have<br />complied with the requirements to establish a statutory excuse." The copies provide that.Any colour but brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77796563471880607792009-09-23T09:38:03.451+01:002009-09-23T09:38:03.451+01:00Colin @6:05 yesterday. My thoughts exactly.
Getti...Colin @6:05 yesterday. My thoughts exactly.<br /><br />Getting fined £5K for not keeping photocopies sounds really draconian. Getting fined £5K for employing an illegal immigrant is tolerable though somewhat lenient.Osama the Nazarenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10275136470575210712009-09-23T07:53:06.689+01:002009-09-23T07:53:06.689+01:00http://order-order.com/2009/09/20/baroness-scotlan...http://order-order.com/2009/09/20/baroness-scotland-accused-of-170000-expense-fiddle/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17434376721987345652009-09-23T06:20:03.702+01:002009-09-23T06:20:03.702+01:00There is more to this than meets the eye. I am beg...There is more to this than meets the eye. I am beginning to think Scottie knew that her cleaner was an illegal. I am beginning to think that because it has been swept under the carpet so quickly.<br /><br />Has any interviewer asked the Baroness exactly what documents she looked at?<br /><br />One of them had to be a passport, but was not the passport out of date?<br /><br />How did Lin Homer know that the Baroness inspected the necessary documents if no copies were kept?<br /><br />Why is Mandleson intervening, supporting Brown and Scotland when they have both shown appalling judgement?john millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84714532385599415882009-09-23T06:12:41.585+01:002009-09-23T06:12:41.585+01:00Magistrates are little people.Magistrates are little people.Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52864650653291101862009-09-23T01:06:31.570+01:002009-09-23T01:06:31.570+01:00"Scots are Caucasians, sweet thang, as are th..."Scots are Caucasians, sweet thang, as are the English, the French, the Irish, the Germans, the Welsh, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes ... are you following all this?"<br /><br />Actually no. I know several of the above who aren't caucasians. Are you saying they don't count?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20322812712636106392009-09-23T01:03:39.646+01:002009-09-23T01:03:39.646+01:00Gallimaufry,
The level of the fine - third column...Gallimaufry,<br /><br />The level of the fine - third column in the table on page four as it is considered to be a 'no checks' situation, bottom line as it's a first offence. Maximum fine £7,500 less £2,500 because Scotland has co-operated.<br /><br />From the flowcart on page 11 it is either: <br />no, no, yes, yes - Scotland is said to have reported herself to the UKBA and the fine is a maximum of £7,500 less £2,500 for reporting herself.<br />or <br />no, no, no, yes - the maximum fine is £5,000.<br /><br />Rich T,<br /><br />The state cannot control free people. First it must box us in with legislation. The reams and reams of new legislation has done a number of things but the worst is it has elevated the bureaucracy above the law.<br /><br />New, often specific, and largely unneccesary legislation has also created confusion in the mind of the public and Police alike. The public are increasingly being told what we can and must do when it used to be just what we can't and the Police have been incentivised to issue 'penalty charges' rather than put people through the courts.Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11182144080955551878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27250589560726345372009-09-23T00:45:18.232+01:002009-09-23T00:45:18.232+01:00Paul Halsall, who appears to suffer from a conditi...Paul Halsall, who appears to suffer from a condition of ignorance: "PS: Some of the comments here are racist, both to Black people and Scots."<br /><br />1. Darling, why did you capitalise the word 'black', which is an adjective and not a proper noun. I'd be interested in your explanation for this grammatical impossibility. Don't forget - ignorance of the grammar is no excuse!<br /><br />2. Scots are Caucasians, sweet thang, as are the English, the French, the Irish, the Germans, the Welsh, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes ... are you following all this?<br /><br />Any Colour but Brown - Excellent!Veritynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17144531532092885292009-09-23T00:19:53.118+01:002009-09-23T00:19:53.118+01:00It's one of those irregular verbs: I make an i...It's one of those irregular verbs: I make an inadvertent administrative mistake; you make a technical breach of the rules which you pushed through Parliament; he or she commits an offence.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40403502411282374542009-09-22T23:32:56.155+01:002009-09-22T23:32:56.155+01:00Paul Halsall said...
"Some of the comments h...Paul Halsall said...<br /><br />"Some of the comments here are racist, both to Black people and Scots."<br /><br />Like clockwork the labour troll cries racism.<br /><br />If all else fails eh?<br /><br />Pathetic.Norton Folgatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03852825967140111979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26858715525792404412009-09-22T23:32:41.817+01:002009-09-22T23:32:41.817+01:00A piece in the Daily Telegraph says http://www.tel...A piece in the Daily Telegraph says http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6220725/Baroness-Scotland-urged-to-quit-by-ministers.html that Scotland confessed in 1991 that she had had a conviction for careless driving 'over 20 years ago'. That would have made her under 16 at the time.<br /><br />Mind you, it's got Rosa Prince's name on it so it's probably tosh.Bath plugs for the many, not the fewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58817152099298576632009-09-22T23:22:37.214+01:002009-09-22T23:22:37.214+01:00Why are the BBC sticking up for her? On the beeboi...Why are the BBC sticking up for her? On the beeboid website it says that she's the only individual prosecuted so far.<br /><br />Well that's because most people can't afford to employ a nanny or cleaner you dopey beeboids and small businesses are often RUN by families.<br /><br />Only the BBC with their infestation of left wing Guardian readers have no idea of the real world<br /><br />Didn't Paxman employ some migrant workers on minimum wage? Only Liebour politicians and rich beeboids can afford it.Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74516410419577374872009-09-22T23:21:02.553+01:002009-09-22T23:21:02.553+01:00Scotland knew this woman was foreign and did absol...Scotland knew this woman was foreign and did absolutely no checks.<br /><br />Its blatant. She gets away with it because iof the ridiculous convention that politicians ae not allowed to call politicians liars.<br /><br />The press can so why not ask her to prove she is not a liar. If we assume this worker did not provide forged documents then she could not have provided ANY documents to check.<br /><br />Any colour is right.<br />This woman employed a foreigner not entitled to work here and in so doing took a job away from someone indigenous. She did it because she was related to a friend.<br /><br />Labour have created a minefield on employment law and this woman pisses all over it whilst other businesses suffer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com