tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3289906950821228063..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: David Davis Back Where He BelongsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11646577704311463602008-07-14T23:15:00.000+01:002008-07-14T23:15:00.000+01:00Alright, alright...I'll stop banging on about our ...Alright, alright...I'll stop banging on about our PM, who is un-elected and has no mandate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71933920478690899022008-07-14T14:12:00.000+01:002008-07-14T14:12:00.000+01:00reed said:Yes, he may well be Prime Minister by be...reed said:<BR/><BR/><I>Yes, he may well be Prime Minister by being the leader of the largest party in the commons, but he has no mandate from the electorate, who have yet to give their approval to him in that position.<BR/><BR/>(and probably never will)</I><BR/><BR/>They certainly never will, because they will never be asked.<BR/><BR/>There is NO SUCH THING as a 'popular mandate' to be PM. As I'm sure you recall from the February 1974 general election, it is perfectly possible to win more votes than any other party and still lose the election.<BR/><BR/>So please, please stop banging on about our 'unelected' PM and his lack of a mandate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78516461378089787882008-07-13T09:43:00.000+01:002008-07-13T09:43:00.000+01:00littlelordfauntleroy said... "Ordinary people valu...littlelordfauntleroy said... <BR/><BR/>"Ordinary people value the ad-free services the BBC offers and they value its (generally) balanced and sensible news coverage."<BR/><BR/>Ha ha ha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64031533166626332152008-07-12T16:46:00.000+01:002008-07-12T16:46:00.000+01:00Littlelordfauntleroy:You missed the point - David ...Littlelordfauntleroy:<BR/><BR/>You missed the point - David Davis has indeed received a mandate from his constituents to be an MP, as has Gordon Brown.<BR/><BR/>But no one has yet to give Gordon Brown a mandate to be Prime Minister. That will ONLY come with a General Election. <BR/><BR/>Yes, he may well be Prime Minister by being the leader of the largest party in the commons, but he has no mandate from the electorate, who have yet to give their approval to him in that position.<BR/><BR/>(and probably never will)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22227235078375543192008-07-12T12:21:00.000+01:002008-07-12T12:21:00.000+01:00reed wrote:On the contrary, I think you'll find it...reed wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>On the contrary, I think you'll find it's called a General Election.</I><BR/><BR/>So my ballot paper at the next election will have a section for my local MP and another for PM will it?<BR/><BR/>I look forward to casting my two votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69375014193370824012008-07-11T21:59:00.000+01:002008-07-11T21:59:00.000+01:00Littlelordfauntleroy Said:'There's no such thing a...Littlelordfauntleroy Said:<BR/><BR/>'There's no such thing as a popular mandate to be PM. Never has been.'<BR/><BR/>On the contrary, I think you'll find it's called a General Election.<BR/><BR/>At least David Davis had the guts to put his principles to HIS electorate - The people of Haltemprice & Howden - and let them make their choice. <BR/><BR/>More than can be said for our gutless, un-elected Prime Minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55371652660730187912008-07-11T17:34:00.000+01:002008-07-11T17:34:00.000+01:00Anonymous 10:13 AM"The BBC represents us all"Oh, i...Anonymous 10:13 AM<BR/><BR/>"The BBC represents us all"<BR/><BR/>Oh, is that so? By what means?<BR/><BR/>Evidence please?<BR/><BR/>The BBC is stuffed full with third-rate, opinionated, biased and largely incompetent individuals with vastly overinflated senses of their own importance, value and intellect.<BR/><BR/>A bit like the Government Front Bench, really.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68481662611216035892008-07-11T15:48:00.000+01:002008-07-11T15:48:00.000+01:00Anon - I heard Feedback as well. What a devious bu...Anon - I heard Feedback as well. What a devious bunch of wankers the BBC are. Were they really inundated with complaints that David Icke wasn't given more air time? What a load of cobblers. The anti-Davis bias was palpable. And I notice that all those people who dismiss complaints about the BBC as coming from 'tories' - all seem to be Labour supporters. Which really rather proves the point.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16936455109136833892008-07-11T14:46:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:46:00.000+01:00Iain,"Re my comment above - I should have said 24%...Iain,<BR/><BR/><I>"Re my comment above - I should have said 24% voted for Labour, not Gordon Brown. We never even got the chance to vote for him..."</I><BR/><BR/>And nor will we get the chance to vote for (or against) his successor.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74948564206973577262008-07-11T14:45:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:45:00.000+01:00"For me, well, I sit here thinking what a damned s...<I>"For me, well, I sit here thinking what a damned shame it is that a supremely talented man won't now be in the next Conservative Cabinet."</I><BR/><BR/>Of course, because there is absolutely no way that Call Me Dave could ever have someone who <I>actually</I> believes in civil liberties in his Cabinet, eh?<BR/><BR/>DKDevil's Kitchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832949569501846730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43481679371553012882008-07-11T14:37:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:37:00.000+01:00A great win by David Davis! Now that he has set th...A great win by David Davis! Now that he has set this process in motion, how about some other politicians having the guts to do the same? A constant stream of good results for the Tories, & bad results for Labour, would really keep the pressure on Brown!<BR/><BR/>And how about Clegg having the guts to go head-to-head with his Tory & Labour opponnents to confirm - or otherwise - his leadership? And then some of the Labour Lisbon Treaty liars too - especially Miliband & Murphy! But they wouldn't dare. The voters would EAT them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3301348651299105422008-07-11T14:16:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:16:00.000+01:00Well, for a start I support DD and think he has ac...Well, for a start I support DD and think he has achieved approval for his civil liberties stance and status as an honest MP - and that has currency amongst a bunch of dishonest, lying, traitors. Gordon Brown has no such authority to be Prime Minister, and reneged on the Labour manifesto pledge for a referendum. <BR/><BR/>I do think the voters of H&H have let us all down in not getting at least a 50% turnout. But 35% is good local election standard. But I am pleased to see people like Tony Benn and Bob Geldof pile into the action - I don't see them backing off in a hurry. And to get such a broad church is an achievement. <BR/><BR/>But, what does really please me is to see so many labour trolls and the BBC out in force with their nasty putdowns. This always means they are rattled - and that is good news. The BBC should be shot for treason - they are an enemy of the state and many people are saying so. They should not be allowed to undermine our democracy as they are.<BR/><BR/>And all those on about wasted money , might like to compare the waste of the BBC or the Labour Party on a daily basis. I'm much happier to see my money spent on endorsing my freedom, than on paying for the second wives of immigrants, handouts to terrorists we cannot deport, feckless invalidity benefit claimants, £100k pay rises for useless BBC executives and the John Lewis list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88902576882714999182008-07-11T14:14:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:14:00.000+01:00a great resultDD is still fighting for a kingdom l...a great result<BR/><BR/>DD is still fighting for a kingdom long bereft of nobility <BR/><BR/>the mob that populate this land are by the main too ignorant to understand the importance of his arguement. worse still are those that voice contempt for a man who has given up high office to pursue freedom for his kin, not least whilst greedily voting for their share from the trough (see i.austin mp)<BR/><BR/>they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety<BR/><BR/>franklin was bang on<BR/><BR/>this country deserves no lessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76960116545463658752008-07-11T14:10:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:10:00.000+01:00Whatever negative spin they struggle to put on thi...<I>Whatever negative spin they struggle to put on this result, the fact is that DD have a mandate, which is more than you can say for the Prime Minister</I><BR/><BR/>Utter rubbish. DD was elected to Parliament by the voters in his constituency, as was Gordon Brown. So, same mandate as an MP.<BR/><BR/>But Gordon Brown is not PM because of that, but because he leads the largest party in the Commons. If there were a vote of confidence tomorrow he would win and win easily.<BR/><BR/>And that's all that counts. There's no such thing as a popular mandate to be PM. Never has been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67776136995308223592008-07-11T14:04:00.000+01:002008-07-11T14:04:00.000+01:00O damn. I sold my Bradford and Bingley shares and ...O damn. I sold my Bradford and Bingley shares and put all of the money on Miss GB to win. Can I get nothing right?<BR/>freedom to prosperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30099107988792450922008-07-11T13:47:00.000+01:002008-07-11T13:47:00.000+01:00Feedback (on Radio 4) has just lengthly reviewed l...Feedback (on Radio 4) has just lengthly reviewed listener reaction to David Davis's resignation and his reelection. And they chose to concentrate, exclusively, on complaints that he got too much coverage and that the other 25 candidates should have had equal air time to him. Not a peep about the complaints they received about their rude, negative, Westminster obsessed coverage of his resignation and the reasons he was standing. Having once been a committed license supporter I am seriously starting to think it is about time to spread news subsidies around among more broadcasters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53786176923950901092008-07-11T13:38:00.000+01:002008-07-11T13:38:00.000+01:00Iain - can you please explain when John Major got ...Iain - can you please explain when John Major got a mandate from the electorate for his first term as PM? And no, it's not different. Or at least it is different only in that Blair was (perhaps foolishly) committed to leaving in good time for a GE, whereas Thatcher would have gone on forever if she could and there was no presumption that Major would be next.<BR/><BR/>And while you're explaining yourself perhaps you could explain about the 9,000 students?<BR/><BR/>Are they 9,000 students studying elsewhere who would be MORE LIKELY to be home? Or 9,000 students at local FE/HE colleges who are more likely to be BASED at home?Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38890650079330870022008-07-11T13:35:00.000+01:002008-07-11T13:35:00.000+01:00SNP overtake Labour in Westminster support49% say ...<A HREF="http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1245" REL="nofollow">SNP overtake Labour in Westminster support</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/2281959/Only-third-of-Scots-favour-independence.html" REL="nofollow">49% say they want the SNP to win Glasgow East compared to 33% for Labour</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16516015744072686022008-07-11T13:07:00.001+01:002008-07-11T13:07:00.001+01:00It is a fact, supported by the courts, and in fact...It is a fact, supported by the courts, and in fact can be found in Lord Citrine's first edition of The ABC of Chairmanship that to abstain is to support the motion!!<BR/><BR/>Not many people realise this and always amuses me when people abstain and do not give a rider stating that their abstention should not be taken as in anyway supporting the proposal.<BR/><BR/>So, to those who are now claiming that this was a single issue election, David Davis can justifiably say that those that did not vote supported him!!<BR/><BR/>Bottler's bloggers are doing their best, but, as usual, they are pathetic!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55681284452924158992008-07-11T13:07:00.000+01:002008-07-11T13:07:00.000+01:00He needs to be back as Shadow Home Secretary, nowh...He needs to be back as Shadow Home Secretary, nowhere else except as Party Leader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72304325783705837482008-07-11T13:01:00.000+01:002008-07-11T13:01:00.000+01:00History is more likely to be the final arbiter of ...History is more likely to be the final arbiter of David Davis's role in the fight for civil liberties.<BR/><BR/>In Nineteen Hundred and Thirteen, on June the 4th, Emily Wilding Davison threw herself under the Kings horse at the Epsom Derby. An act of recklesness that proved fatal. No doubt, had she consulted her friends, they would have advised against it.<BR/><BR/>On her tombstone, her epitaph reads:<BR/><BR/>"DEEDS NOT WORDS"<BR/><BR/>The rest, as they say, is history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69665486601690503752008-07-11T12:22:00.000+01:002008-07-11T12:22:00.000+01:00Iain,Some of your contributors, the BBC and many i...Iain,<BR/><BR/>Some of your contributors, the BBC and many in the westminster bubble, have forgotten the amazing groundswell of public support and praise David Davis received when he made his announcement.<BR/><BR/>What followed and is now apparant is that the public will be ignored. It is a farce, says Brown and his incompetent crowd of cronies, and that is the way they treat the people.<BR/><BR/>This governments attitude to what the people are saying, be it on 10p tax the Car Tax row and questions on our liberty, show them to be the most authoritative and communistic government we have had. That they are led by a man who is unelected and unwanted and a cabinet of incompetents matters not. They are treating us all with contempt.<BR/><BR/>Cameron tells us that David Davis will not go back into the shadow cabinet! He should well remember that David Davis is extremely popular! It is also telling us that he, cameron, agrees with the westminster bubble, and this election was not necessary!<BR/><BR/>Remember Churchill was regarded ina similar vein to they way they are now treating David Davis.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Mr Davis should encourage those that supported him to form a pressure group within Parliament of a cross party organisation to fight for our rights!<BR/><BR/>He could embark, with those of a similar viewpoint, on a Nationwide debate taking the issues to as many people as possible. The more people are aware the more people will be disgusted at the 42 day idea!<BR/><BR/>I do not normally agree with James Whale but I heard him the other day suggest that people should unseat every sitting MP to get a new body of MP's who were not wedded to the expenses trough and may provide us all a better service!<BR/><BR/>Worth considering.<BR/><BR/>ongratulations Mr Davis you spoke for the majority and more power to your elbow. I suspect that your task will be more uphill now.strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52490687619730300002008-07-11T12:02:00.000+01:002008-07-11T12:02:00.000+01:00Much as I agree with the campaign (such as it is) ...Much as I agree with the campaign (such as it is) against 42 days, a turnout of 34/35% is pretty derisory given that the whole point of the by-election was not getting DD re-elected but allowing people to show how strongly they felt about the 42 days issue.<BR/><BR/>Show how much you care about the issue, cried DD. And barely 25% of the electorate could be bothered to vote for the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45624563448667827712008-07-11T11:56:00.000+01:002008-07-11T11:56:00.000+01:00I wanted to watch the by-election result, but it w...I wanted to watch the by-election result, but it was almost completely ignored by the BBC, so I watched it on Sky. Sky covered it properly between 2 and 3 a.m., while the BBC ignored it and played inane video tapes of low grade political news and gossip from the US instead. Then when the BBC read out the news at 3 the by-election result which had just been announced wasn't even mentioned. This was presumably because the news was "world news", i.e. miss out anything of interest to the British viewers who are the ones actually paying for the service.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55756686964730789522008-07-11T11:54:00.000+01:002008-07-11T11:54:00.000+01:00If Dave Cameron has any sense he will utilise peop...If Dave Cameron has any sense he will utilise people like David Davis and Iain Duncan Smith in a 'principle and policy' think-tank.<BR/><BR/>This could be separate from any Cabinet role they might have. <BR/><BR/>People are crying out for principled government - there has been too much spin and short-termism, see where it has dragged us down to.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.com