tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3235656202494143075..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: To Delete or Not to Delete...Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53345898929576960582008-02-17T11:19:00.000+00:002008-02-17T11:19:00.000+00:00Where exactly is the misogyny in that original thr...Where exactly is the misogyny in that original thread? Methinks Mr Martin must be a sensitive flower (though perhaps the threads you have now deleted were particularly scandalous).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7500249985259026852008-02-16T22:20:00.000+00:002008-02-16T22:20:00.000+00:00There's narfink wrong with uz Narch fans Iain...There's narfink wrong with uz Narch fans Iain...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74658653390898634462008-02-16T15:21:00.000+00:002008-02-16T15:21:00.000+00:00Chris Paul - you are joking right? If you want to ...Chris Paul - you are joking right? If you want to get really vicious attacks - majoring in anti-semitism - try reading Comment is Free down at the Guardian. By and large the right are setting the agenda and making the arguments in the blogosphere while the Left have nothing better to do than troll around posting derisory smears. Rather like you.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16678411824327228132008-02-16T12:28:00.000+00:002008-02-16T12:28:00.000+00:00Funnily enough it is not "political blogs" in gene...Funnily enough it is not "political blogs" in general that have the problem with <I>moderated</I> tourettes it is Tory Boy Blogs and most particularly your own and (worse still) Guido's. <BR/><BR/>Basically these "uncivil" civil servants etc have a vocabulary problem rather than an anonymity problem. Though having the vocabulary problem may make them more keen on the anonymity problem.<BR/><BR/>The same oafs presumably leaking documents and making trouble?<BR/><BR/>Bring on the surveillance of ID and GuF blogs and let's find out which of the swearers is Basher Davis, which Boris Johnson, and which "Lord" Ashcroft hisself.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85606291113204435782008-02-16T10:22:00.000+00:002008-02-16T10:22:00.000+00:00On the topic of abuse there was a serious case of ...On the topic of abuse there was a serious case of that today - not from the blogosphere but from the Today programme. In a fantasy 'satire' of the problems Britain might encounter at the 2012Olympics the BBC stooped to a truly below the belt attack on Boris Johnson and in the process didn't hesitate to use racist language. (just goes to show how selective their supposed 'sensitivity' about racism is). In this fantasy scenario PM Boris Johnson embarrasses the nation for his use of the term "fuzzy wuzzies". The Today programme should not be using language like that on air - never mind the context. And the context was of course disgraceful. It was obviously an attempt to bolster Livingstone's campaign to inculcate the idea that Boris is a racist. It was very insiduous stuff - under the guise of 'a joke' indoctrinating the public with Livingstone inspired smears against Boris. On every level it was despicable. I hope people will complain.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55397375049000057772008-02-16T10:14:00.000+00:002008-02-16T10:14:00.000+00:00The words pot kettle and black come to mind. The m...The words pot kettle and black come to mind. The most inane, childishly abusive and stupid comments are published on the Telegraph's Three Line Whoops. I only posted there once (clearly an aberration) and got accused of being the kind of person (were I American!) who would live in the mountains with a gun and a goat waiting for the second coming. Actually that one still makes me laugh. Iain - you get it just about right. Don't start self censoring just because of the fragile egos of MSM journos.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14783561268263516482008-02-16T09:28:00.000+00:002008-02-16T09:28:00.000+00:00Congratulations, Iain, on taking those thirty piec...Congratulations, Iain, on taking those thirty pieces of silver...<BR/><BR/><BR/>All that bollocks, and it is bollocks about the 'dead tree press', and how you are so fearless, ring pretty hollow now. Either you are willing to challenge the orthodoxy of the main stream media, or you are a part of it . Which is it to be ?? <BR/><BR/>p.s. I can just imagine Guido's response to a 'Telegraph journo' who asked him to tone down his 'totty watch'. Before long you'll just be another variant of 'Comment is [edited by moderator] not very expensive' on the Grauniad..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53908033952360746132008-02-16T09:23:00.000+00:002008-02-16T09:23:00.000+00:00Who the hell is Iain Martin?What business is it of...Who the hell is Iain Martin?<BR/><BR/>What business is it of his?<BR/><BR/>As so often, it's attempted control freakery by the intellectually stunted.<BR/><BR/>Frankly anyone who signs off 'Very best regards' is a numbskull. Are we into some sort of comparative levels of 'regards', then? How would he feel about just 'best' regards, or 'pretty bleeding average' regards, or just plain old regards?<BR/><BR/>This man (and I'm making a wild assumption as to his age) is firmly inserted in his own fundament - and should not be extracted.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11608124288240894402008-02-16T09:21:00.000+00:002008-02-16T09:21:00.000+00:00IainAs someone who usually (not always) takes a co...Iain<BR/><BR/>As someone who usually (not always) takes a contrary line to conventional Tory attitudes I am sometimes subject to abuse on your blog. I was upset by this at first, but have come to the conclusion that those who resort to personal insults and abuse diminish themselves and their arguments by doing so.<BR/><BR/>Some of your more rabidly abusive contributors seem to reside on the outermost fringes of the Conservative spectrum - indeed I wonder whether they are Conservatives at all. They certainly are not in tune with the modern Tory Party which I have to say is a breath of almost fresh air compared with the recent past! <BR/><BR/>In the same way that you tolerate me, even though you no doubt disagree with much of what I say, I suppose it is right that you give space to those who launch their attacks from the unpleasant stomping grounds of the extreme right. But I wouldn't tolerate personal abuse against other contributors - indeed I wouldn't tolerate personal abuse against anybody - politicians included!<BR/><BR/>A healthy debating forum is one in which different points of view are expressed without anyone getting into a personalised slanging match. Most of your contributors adhere to the rules of common decency. Some don't - but you know who they are and it’s your call!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4102378253765047282008-02-16T07:29:00.000+00:002008-02-16T07:29:00.000+00:00Oh how I love seeing people moaning about consiste...Oh how I love seeing people moaning about consistency and then throwing in the libel and slander stuff. I mean let's take 'Outraged of Guildford' as an example. The amount of times outright lies an bollocks and conjecture masquerading as fact have been published on OoG's site in the last year makes such moaning all the funnier.<BR/><BR/>Iain, you're policy is very simple, you publish what you want to and to hell with the moaning and bleating. It is a sad fact that online where administration and moderation exists there will always be cycles wen someone screams about censorship, and, thanks to the joy of not being able to prove a negative there is nothing one can do about it, and it's only fallacious tits that complain about it.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86012513044734053052008-02-16T06:35:00.000+00:002008-02-16T06:35:00.000+00:00Many people have heard of Iain Dale, but who, pray...Many people have heard of Iain Dale, but who, pray, is Iain Martin?Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83308836089248521972008-02-16T01:20:00.000+00:002008-02-16T01:20:00.000+00:00always good fun at this late PM part of the blog -...always good fun at this late PM part of the blog - especially when Verity gets going and starts accusing others of abuse. Go girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81423185150825845532008-02-16T00:48:00.000+00:002008-02-16T00:48:00.000+00:00As long as the speech does not go against the law....As long as the speech does not go against the law... what is the point of censoring it?<BR/><BR/>Smart people don't take stupid abuse seriously anyway, and this kind of thing is better out in the open where the entire blog village can rally round to flame the silly child enthusiastically.<BR/><BR/>Censoring can easily become a way of creating a reality that does not exist. Don't do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91039156127448761462008-02-16T00:41:00.000+00:002008-02-16T00:41:00.000+00:00Javelin writes re Iain Martin: "I picture this sa...Javelin writes re Iain Martin: <I>"I picture this sad middle aged man lying in bed wondering who he could have offended that day, worried whether his repuation for being androgynous has been harmed, worried whether has been caught. <BR/>He's no more human than the machines that print his papers."</I><BR/><BR/>That is abuse. <BR/><BR/>I suspect Javelin does not know Mr Martin, so how he "pictures" him is, because based nothing but the poster's own psychology, worth zero as a comment. Although it tells us rather more than we want to know about Javelin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72881084229617631222008-02-16T00:06:00.000+00:002008-02-16T00:06:00.000+00:00Cassillis. Don't be preposterous. Do you know how ...Cassillis. Don't be preposterous. Do you know how fabulous The Devil's Kitchen is? Do you ever visit it? DK has turned swearblogging into an art form. "Genuine dissent", couched in the argot of the people, and not our elders and betters, is, to the trained eye of a literary critic, extraordinarily democratic and liberating. Read Paulo Freire for God's sake. It is man's basic right to name the world around him, and if he thinks it's a crock of sh!t, then he must name it so, name it in the most honest way he knows.<BR/><BR/>Molesworth, Strapworld, Newmania, javelin et al. Well done for giving this pygmy short shrift.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20781853551545924752008-02-15T23:51:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:51:00.000+00:00Don't disrespect the Canaries Iain !Don't disrespect the Canaries Iain !Nich Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237390959601973501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83207627631749561362008-02-15T23:36:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:36:00.000+00:00Maybe this might explain Iain's flight of peevishn...Maybe this might explain Iain's flight of peevishness.<BR/><BR/>Simon Pia's Diary, <BR/>The Scotsman, 4/4/01<BR/><BR/><B>Togetherness</B><BR/><BR/><I>TALKING of our little sister, media luvvies and politicians were out in force rubbing shoulders at the wedding on Monday of the deputy editor of that organ, Iain Martin.<BR/><BR/>Labour's Susan Deacon and Frank McAveety were there along with Nats Duncan Hamilton and Andrew Wilson, while Ben Wallace was representing the Tories.<BR/><BR/>When it came to the telegrams, John Boothman, the BBC producer and Deacon's bidie-in, had forewarned all party leaders they'd get no election coverage if they didn't contribute.<BR/><BR/>David McLetchie's was very chummy and affectionate, as was John Swinney's. Alex Salmond also sent his best, wishing the happy couple "a fruitful union unlike other ones".<BR/><BR/><B>Henry McLeish was sure the couple would be very happy as "both are in love with Iain."</B> Waspish maybe, but then again Ian had just given Henry another going over in his column the day before.<BR/><BR/>But the real controversy came when the master of ceremonies, Alan Cochrane of the Torygraph, proposed a toast to the Queen and several bums remained firmly planted on their seats. Rather than "out" those who remained seated, a bigger problem would be exposing all those who got to their feet, including members of the SNP.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31476146218220399992008-02-15T23:30:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:30:00.000+00:00I don't see why you should ask Mr Martin's permiss...I don't see why you should ask Mr Martin's permission to publish his email.<BR/><BR/>He didn't bother asking Brian Monteith's permission when he published a private conversational email to a Mr Iain Martin.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless if Mr Martin is referring to just plain abuse and calling people names then he has a point - though the sticks and stones does spring to mind.<BR/><BR/>In the past it was said "don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel".<BR/><BR/>As the barrels get less and less for the news media and blogs and news comment sections replace them perhaps the phrase should now be "don't pick a fight with an army of people with online access".<BR/><BR/>Yes, it must be annoying when such folk question your motives at publishing stories, for being one sided in a news article rather than a commentary piece, being wrong etc etc when you genuinely didn't think you were.<BR/><BR/>But then it is probably even more annoying when they have found you out.<BR/><BR/>But that might just create a better generation of journalists. Ones who report the facts and both sides of the story rather than continue with agendised news items.<BR/><BR/>That some find it a bit tough only speaks for their fragile egos.. The ones who will survive are those who can own up to mistakes or bad judgement and move on from it. That's the way of the two way media and the ones who have a sense of wit and humility are the ones who will survive as the ones who can't run for the copy editor jobs.<BR/><BR/>If Mr Martin wasn't referring to that then I apologise if I got that impression.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, he's probably jealous the far more dishy Fraser Nelson made it to the cut over him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14035408370811461912008-02-15T23:24:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:24:00.000+00:00Well Iain , its your blog and you can do what you ...Well Iain , its your blog and you can do what you like. I tend to feel that in a blogging manifesto you body forth your political and personal position though and in the past this blog has been about a level of freedom including the freedom to employ mischievous invective cruel caricature and a rich meaty stew of ideas conflict and on occasion malicious ..god forbid ..childish …amusement . Sometimes Gasp! At the expense of a journalist … by all that’s sacred …..<BR/>But then I like smoking in pubs , approved of hunting , support the C of E don’t much like foreigners and posses innumerable attitudes which combined with social gracelessness make me unacceptable to all manner of people. Never mind being deleted from your blog I fully expect to be entirely illegal as a human being in my lifetime.<BR/><BR/><BR/>* The lonely despised ( but oddly handsome)hero trudged off warmed only by a sense of his own perfection *Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83808292801814736662008-02-15T23:22:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:22:00.000+00:00It's not the fact that you're lax Iain, it's the f...It's not the fact that you're lax Iain, it's the fact that you're inconsistent.<BR/>You will ban someone for making abusive comments about someone who supports you, but then you will let insults slander and libel against someone else that pulls you up on a point.<BR/>You cannot have it both ways.<BR/>Either introduce registration so you know who is commenting, people can still remain anonymous to the outside world, (by using something called a 'pseudomyn') or do not have moderated comments and put a disclaimer on the place.<BR/>Your behaviour and your comments policy is a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86513790512546161242008-02-15T23:21:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:21:00.000+00:00Iain - slightly OT, I congratulate you for all you...Iain - slightly OT, I congratulate you for all your blogs today. You are definitely back on track and living up to the tag lines on your banner head (if that's the right expression!)<BR/><BR/>Back OT, it seems your "most fanciable political journo" list commenters might have been invaders from the Guido ghetto where that type of personal abuse is the norm.<BR/><BR/>As for surpressing it, I suspect that most of your readers just shrug and pass on. OK, cut out the swearers if they start to get too brazen - they'll soon get fed up.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work - and don't do so many lists! (They're just my pet hate!)Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35940599720878338442008-02-15T23:18:00.001+00:002008-02-15T23:18:00.001+00:00It's called having a sex drive, being grounded, no...It's called having a sex drive, being grounded, not being androgynous, not being afraid to say you fancy someone, being human, not being a plastic clone, having a sense of humor, being human. <BR/><BR/>Ian Martin lives his life in fear of lawyers. I picture this sad middle aged man lying in bed wondering who he could have offended that day, worried whether his repuation for being androgynous has been harmed, worried whether has been caught. <BR/><BR/>He's no more human than the machines that print his papers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7609583934601549822008-02-15T23:18:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:18:00.000+00:00big hug thengather round boys (and Verity)feel the...big hug then<BR/><BR/>gather round boys (and Verity)<BR/><BR/>feel the loveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5998606702655454542008-02-15T23:09:00.000+00:002008-02-15T23:09:00.000+00:00Iain get rid of the foul mouthed comments as you d...Iain get rid of the foul mouthed comments as you do. Leave the rest, thats why we read blogs and not newspapers. The press is far to PC and is wimpish in its stories.Johnny Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900659617233793880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57837776311941480892008-02-15T22:57:00.000+00:002008-02-15T22:57:00.000+00:00This thread will no doubt kick off yet another bor...This thread will no doubt kick off yet another boring essay on loopy lou's website.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.com