tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post320216576015928532..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Price of Slitting Ian Huntley's ThroatIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71069789200305986672010-10-30T22:42:33.901+01:002010-10-30T22:42:33.901+01:00Huntley deserved to be hung, and I believe if the ...Huntley deserved to be hung, and I believe if the death penalty had been retained he would have thought twice about murdering the girls.<br /><br />They should leave a phial of cyanide in his cell and one night he would take it and good riddance.<br /><br /><em>You seem to believe that prisoners are not human beings with inalienable rights, that not their own actions can obliterate. I completely disagree</em><br /><br />Huntley ceased to be human the day he murdered two innocent girls.BOGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01969463247490721941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10890706222465140192010-08-04T11:30:26.757+01:002010-08-04T11:30:26.757+01:00***What next - sue the Police if you are the victi...***What next - sue the Police if you are the victim of a crime, sue your Doctor if you fall ill etc., etc.***<br /><br />Matt, a more accurate analogy would be suing the police if you get assaulted in custody or suing your doctor if you contract MRSA while he's operating on you.Steve Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992098012803570361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67483382449025462932010-08-03T22:03:43.748+01:002010-08-03T22:03:43.748+01:00Justice is justice, Iain. And there's no way t...Justice is justice, Iain. And there's no way to change the law so that only the most unpleasant convicts are denied justice. What, for the sake of argument, about someone in prison for vigilantiism? They might have the sympathy of the public, but no human rights while serving their time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15914425753685735662010-08-02T19:36:30.420+01:002010-08-02T19:36:30.420+01:00Is this ugly little contribution your new approach...Is this ugly little contribution your new approach to winning a parliamentary candidacy one day, Iain? Pandering to the knuckledraggers at the Daily Mail? If so, we all look forward with interest to your next selection of blogposts: "Why I think there are too many poofs on the telly" and "Dirty Bloody Gypsies!!!"Steve Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992098012803570361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37924524440637634112010-08-02T18:52:39.146+01:002010-08-02T18:52:39.146+01:00What next - sue the Police if you are the victim o...What next - sue the Police if you are the victim of a crime, sue your Doctor if you fall ill etc., etc.<br /><br />The prison authorities cannot guarantee the safety of inmates unless they are all in solitary and even then harm could be done. All they can take is reasonable care.<br /><br />Whatever happens, the lawyers will benefit greatly from our tax money.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13928365498735989685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59123192282839858672010-08-02T18:49:07.952+01:002010-08-02T18:49:07.952+01:00Next logical step, sue the Police if you are a vic...Next logical step, sue the Police if you are a victim of a crime, sue your Doctor if you fall ill etc., etc. The Prison Authorities cannot guarantee the safety of anyone unless every inmate is confined in solitary and even then, harm could be done.<br /><br />Whatever happens, however, the lawyers will get rich on our tax money.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13928365498735989685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17067191502700960202010-08-02T13:55:56.928+01:002010-08-02T13:55:56.928+01:00This shows the farcical situation Labour has creat...This shows the farcical situation Labour has created. The Human Rights Act normally requires balance but there is an absolute duty of the state to protect Article 2 rights (right to life). <br /><br />So there is a duty to protect Huntley's life. But given his own actions he is a potential target for every wannabe in gaol who wants to make a name for themselves as the hardest con or to sell their story to the media of how they were so outraged that they cut him up. <br />They only way to deal with that is to lock Huntley away from the other prisoners. But if you do that you infringe his rights again.<br /><br />The court may eventually sort this out. In the meantime Huntley will have had fun buggering the system about, legal aid will pay and lawyers will get very rich 'protecting his rights'.<br /><br />The only way to stop this is to make it mandatory for all murder sentence prisoners to have in place as part of their sentence an order requiring them to pay a minimum £1m compensation to their victims.Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30387361597441867612010-08-02T11:56:59.924+01:002010-08-02T11:56:59.924+01:00Iain,
This is really out of character. It's a...Iain,<br /><br />This is really out of character. It's a nasty, ugly post.<br />What Huntley has done, or the kind of person he is, has no bearing whatsoever on his right as a prisoner not to have his throat cut in jail.<br />If your post is right, then those people serving time for non-payment of council tax don't deserve to be victims of attempted murder in prison, but Huntley does - so what about everyone in between? Should there be a morality panel set up to decide who gets protection and who doesn't?<br />You are comparing the morality of the state to the morality of a child-killer, which is silly.<br />We are judged as a society by how we do the difficult things, not the easy things. Ian Huntley is contemptable, or even "evil" if one is religious, but suggesting we should turn a blind eye whilst he is butchered in jail is suggesting we abandon our morality in the face of his.OscarIndiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10738557392950122273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29288133329160528532010-08-02T08:57:13.702+01:002010-08-02T08:57:13.702+01:00Even scum deserve protection from harm and he shou...Even scum deserve protection from harm and he should not have had his throat cut, but he equally should not benefit from his crime so any and all assets should be confiscated and used for compensation either directly to his victims or to a fund which provides support other victims. <br /><br />The nonsese of £100,000 compensation based on what, someone with dependant children is in hospital and loses earnings gets high level compensation, the scum Huntley moves from one wing of a prison to annother wing of a prison so what. <br /><br />Fine the prison service for negligence may be right but compensation for him, needs to be based on harm caused.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05270416768188186705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66437150800153474432010-08-01T22:29:49.275+01:002010-08-01T22:29:49.275+01:00Andy, you'd be talking out of the other side o...Andy, you'd be talking out of the other side of your mouth if it was your daughter/niece etc. As it is you are talking out of your ass as are the other hand wringers. He lost his human rights the day he murdered those two innocent girls. End of.Lady Finchleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03695379463537122656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11523824416674006732010-08-01T22:25:44.615+01:002010-08-01T22:25:44.615+01:00the prison service has a responsibility to keep ev...the prison service has a responsibility to keep every inmate safe.Botogolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17024057489361848870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89099484290912591832010-08-01T14:04:27.644+01:002010-08-01T14:04:27.644+01:00'Handcuffed and in prison clothing, he had to ...'Handcuffed and in prison clothing, he had to wait on the platform at Clapham Junction from 2.00 to 2.30 on a rainy afternoon. A crowd formed, first laughing then jeering at him. One man recognised that this was Oscar Wilde and spat at him'.<br /><br />Richard Ellmann.<br /><br /><br />No comparison between Wilde's case and child-murderer Huntley's? No, none. None intended. The comparison is in what happens when the crowd get to be the judges of how prisoners should be treated.Jim Baxterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817293012642419524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24152464726351206892010-08-01T13:03:39.188+01:002010-08-01T13:03:39.188+01:00Iain- the simple answer is not to stop prisoners ...Iain- the simple answer is not to stop prisoners from being able to take the prison service to court, but to put in place a law that no prisoner can benefit from this process.<br /><br />Therefore, I would put a new law on the statute book that all prisoners convicted and serving a sentence should have all their financial assets confiscated under the proceeds of crime bill. Make this law for life as well and any amount Huntley or anyone else receives is used to pay for their prison keep.<br /><br />That way any award would be subject to the court and any monies would be used to repay the bill to society for their crime.<br /><br />Net result a transfer of monies from Treasury to prison service which can be clawed back by the Treasury in lower budgets or used to provide prison officers with bonuses for good work on safety and ensuring criminals get rehabilitated. This bonus system should continue outside the prison as well, so if a convict re-offends the bonus is not paid. A 5-year time limit could be placed on any criminals going through the system and the entire pool is used to incentives all prison officers not chosen of lucky ones. This raises standards across the board.The Purplelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824474829595685623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30585184453469626762010-08-01T11:14:27.418+01:002010-08-01T11:14:27.418+01:00I don't think any amount of compensation compe...I don't think any amount of compensation compensates for the loss of a loved one, particularly for the loss of Holly and Jessica. I think Libya paid out hell of a lot more to the families of those killed in the Lockerbie Bombing.<br /><br />I don't know where the figure of £100,000 comes from (the Sun or Daily Mail?), but I suspect Huntley's claim will be closer to £10,000.<br /><br />I am puzzled about your reference to the CJS, because this is a negligence claim, at private law, in the County Court.<br /><br />Huntley did not owe the girls any duty of care, unless it is argued as the school caretaker he was negligent. Rather, as any citizen we owe it to each other not to harm anybody.<br /><br />Tories seem to think that the law is just for them to quote at others. However, knee-jerkism is an unthinking action. It does not take a rocket scientist to work out that the law is a double-edged sword. It both punishes the wrongdoer and protects the vulnerable.<br /><br />In this case, Mr Huntley is the vulnerable victim. And yet, once again I hear the shout "What about the victims?". None of the so-called victims rights groups speak up for him.<br /><br />Bottom line, if this is a case where negligence can be proved then Mr Huntley is entitled to his compensation just like any other citizen.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11057098771749587472010-08-01T11:14:16.146+01:002010-08-01T11:14:16.146+01:00I agree with the logic of most of the posts here -...I agree with the logic of most of the posts here - as we have committed him to the care of the Prison Service, when they fail to discharge their responsibilities then he has recourse to compensation.<br /><br />Emotionally, I'm disgusted at the thought of him receiving money.<br /><br />I don't know whether Huntley's sentence is a whole life tariff - it should be in my view under the current law which allows for whole life tariffs. I remain in favour of the death penalty for certain categories of crime - murder of children would be included in my book.<br /><br />If Huntley ever were to successfully top himself or some other con kill him, I'd feel glad and that natural justice had been delivered.Thorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07937013013431307255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9325774887183969502010-08-01T10:53:31.277+01:002010-08-01T10:53:31.277+01:00Iain,
Another failure to understand the Rule of ...Iain, <br /><br />Another failure to understand the Rule of Law.<br /><br />Tim Worstall covers many of the points I hold.<br /><br />If Huntly won the case I am not happy with him getting any financial benefit from this, but my being happy or not is neither here nor there.<br /><br />To think that the state can, basically, hold you as fair game with no comeback to itself is an appalling concept. Barbaric does not really cover it. Cage fighting meets hare coursing - one of the dystopian Arnie flicks, perhaps?Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11627859984869332302010-08-01T10:14:41.363+01:002010-08-01T10:14:41.363+01:00http://cazzyjones.blogspot.com/2010/08/slashed-thr...http://cazzyjones.blogspot.com/2010/08/slashed-throats-and-brass-necks.html<br /><br />My own thoughts are here. I wonder if Huntley is simply acting in person and using Money Claims Online. In practice he'd never see a penny, but ease of access to MCO might be the problem at the heart. Clearly we need more information before anyone can draw proper conclusions.Cazzy Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05825642677814459196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6517324449693846782010-08-01T10:12:07.701+01:002010-08-01T10:12:07.701+01:00The Prison Service has a qualified duty of care to...The Prison Service has a qualified duty of care to Huntly, just as the Police has a qualified duty to non-criminals. There is no legal duty to prevent absolutely all harm, merely to take reasonable steps, otherwise young men of certain ethnicities would be interned on public safety grounds until they grew out of their culturally-inspired mugging phase.<br />My utter contempt is directed at the solicitor prepared to take the twenty pieces of legal aid. Huntly could conduct his own case and still have the legal rights that should be denied prisoners under the ancient principle of outlawry. Why not protect murderers' yuman rites with the Animals Act?Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50163603564281268002010-08-01T10:10:14.920+01:002010-08-01T10:10:14.920+01:00Wow, this is the most idiotic and reactionary post...Wow, this is the most idiotic and reactionary post I've read in a while. <br /><br />If prison officers "turned a blind eye", I'd certainly blame them, Iain.<br /><br />And because the guy tried to kill himself, it's now fair game to murder him by slitting his throat? Wow.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04779806872062476146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87016283657325671202010-08-01T10:04:23.669+01:002010-08-01T10:04:23.669+01:00If he is making this a point of principle about a ...If he is making this a point of principle about a duty of care, then the amount is immaterial so award him £1.<br />Wasn't he a caretaker at the school where he tortured ,raped and killed two innocent children. he clearly didn't see the concept applied to him then did he.<br />The law needs looking at in terms of what it implies, no one should profit from breaking the law as he did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83937332494671286022010-08-01T08:28:55.636+01:002010-08-01T08:28:55.636+01:00It's bloody difficult but the truth is that th...It's bloody difficult but the truth is that the heinous nature of Huntley's crimes is irrelevent to the way he is treated as a Prisoner and a citizen. The State's obligations are:<br /><br />(1) To apply the sentence as required by the court.<br /><br />(2) To protect the prisoner and to allow him all the same rights as any other prisoner - unless the court prescribes otherwise.<br /><br />Our Prison system shamefully fails to protect prisoners from sexual and other assualts. Read Archer or Aitken on the subject!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69758192444522854352010-08-01T07:53:35.971+01:002010-08-01T07:53:35.971+01:00Isn't the bigger issue here the desperate stat...Isn't the bigger issue here the desperate state of the prison service? <br /><br />It appears that it can neither protect "at risk" prisoners nor control drug use within prisons.Windsor Tripehoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923036087016324862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32078298713169825892010-08-01T04:20:40.190+01:002010-08-01T04:20:40.190+01:00I'm surprised Huntley's not suing the Pris...I'm surprised Huntley's not suing the Prison Service for allowing him to try topping himself on three seperate occasions. He could then sue them for keeping him alive when he's made it clear it's his " 'uman right innit? " to kill himself. <br /><br />This is the bloke who's tried to kill himself THREE times whilst inside. Now he's bellyaching because another psycho tried to give him his wish! <br /><br />As a judge once said "This is not a court of justice, it is a court of law." which tells you everything you need to know about our legal system.angry and despondenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00011591272679682211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86556654706165248772010-08-01T00:17:47.166+01:002010-08-01T00:17:47.166+01:00Surely the Prison Service owes prisoners in it'...Surely the Prison Service owes prisoners in it's care a duty of care, regardless of their crimes? Of course any money that Huntley gains from this means he has cash that his victims families can sue for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-917764216847791662010-08-01T00:08:37.362+01:002010-08-01T00:08:37.362+01:00Huntley has clearly forfeited his human rights by ...Huntley has clearly forfeited his human rights by his actions.<br />If Huntley had been left to fend for himself in prison without being protected he would probably be dead by now.<br />This could act as a deterrent for other sex offenders and save innocent lives.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810788783886456639noreply@blogger.com