tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2910855909466596088..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Bob Quick Has Proved Himself Unfit to Continue the Green InvestigationIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86706080453003920792008-12-22T14:51:00.000+00:002008-12-22T14:51:00.000+00:00@ JimmyExample given. 'Yates' remember? 'Defence...@ Jimmy<BR/><BR/>Example given. 'Yates' remember? 'Defence'? Since when have I 'defended' either journal? What I asked was whether you have read them over the last ten months or so. How are the remedial reading lessons coming along? <BR/><BR/>Please, for your health's sake, do take a day off. It must be utterly exhausting being such a prat all the time. Are you some sort of Troll by any chance?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80467843027935474202008-12-22T14:30:00.000+00:002008-12-22T14:30:00.000+00:00Unsworth,You've not given me any examples. You've...Unsworth,<BR/><BR/>You've not given me any examples. You've invited me to find them myself. Or presumably prove a negative. Argument not your long suit is it.<BR/><BR/>And your defence of Associated Newspapers as a non-partisan news source is noted. Have you ever read them?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67710213821485526262008-12-22T11:32:00.000+00:002008-12-22T11:32:00.000+00:00troymolloy said... An apology has now been issued....<I>troymolloy said... <BR/>An apology has now been issued...<BR/>December 22, 2008 10:43 AM</I><BR/><BR/>So that's okay then, at least we can be sure he won't show any bias against the Tories during the course of his inquiry.<BR/><BR/>Couldn't he at least have chucked in a couple of discount vouchers on limo hire as a sweetener?Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57173638239312502022008-12-22T10:43:00.000+00:002008-12-22T10:43:00.000+00:00An apology has now been issued: '[I've] reflected ...An apology has now been issued: '[I've] reflected on my comments, made at a difficult time for me and my family... not my intention to make any allegations, and I retract my commments. I apologise unreservedly...'OBC Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05199336701581647524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76567011658237206192008-12-22T10:29:00.000+00:002008-12-22T10:29:00.000+00:00Is this officer a member of Common Purpose ?Is this officer a member of Common Purpose ?Man in a Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990902055642035293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86183442259105568242008-12-22T10:23:00.000+00:002008-12-22T10:23:00.000+00:00Bob Quick should take a leaf from Brian Paddick's ...Bob Quick should take a leaf from Brian Paddick's book and prepare for the Jungle.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099322/PC-Konk-clown-strip-searched-airport-security-guards--thought-terrorist.html" REL="nofollow">PC Conk</A> would probably be the appropriate choice to take over his role in the <I>"Service"</I>.Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54750321763166409642008-12-22T09:41:00.000+00:002008-12-22T09:41:00.000+00:00If memory serves me correctly, Bob Quick did not m...If memory serves me correctly, Bob Quick did not make the short-short list for the Chief's job and I reckon he has been smarting about that ever since. In fact, I think his outburst is "sour grapes" and nothing more. Another correspondent (Ranter) is obviously a copper and highlights accurately Quick's career moves. My son worked under him when he was Surrey's CC and now in the Met. He also says that Quick lost the plot when dropped in amongst the Bramshill crowd. Following the MBA and a Diploma in Applied Criminology, he was studying for a Masters in Strategic Leadership. I guess he never quite made the latter!<BR/><BR/>Any policeman in the lower ranks, running a business on the side, whether in the name of his wife, or not, is usually "persuaded" to knock it in the head. The Administration clique from Chief Inspector upwards are usually ensure they are immune from complaints and the big-stick, but this outburst will surely finish him!Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11514552884944533524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63350442231910973482008-12-22T07:26:00.000+00:002008-12-22T07:26:00.000+00:00@ JimmyThen:"If you're aware of another instance o...@ Jimmy<BR/><BR/>Then:<BR/>"If you're aware of another instance of an attempt to smear a police officer involved in a politically sensitive case then I'm all ears. I will be happy to condemn it." So I refer you to Yates as but one example.<BR/><BR/>Now:<BR/>"What were these personal smears against Yates <I>or his family</I>?"<BR/><BR/>Do please make up what passes for your 'mind'.<BR/><BR/>You refer to the Daily Mail thus; "but it doesn't get away from the fact that a tory scandal sheet has run a non-story personal smear in order to settle a score." Without evidence, as usual, and without even getting the right paper. Have you bothered to read The Daily Mail or The Mail on Sunday in the last ten months or so? For that matter have you ever bothered to read them?<BR/> <BR/>I'm not doing your research for you. You could just get off your bone idle NuLab backside and take a look at the contemporaneous newspapers, journals, Hansard and Committee Minutes etc. But then that's hardly likely is it?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88846473905147603802008-12-22T01:12:00.000+00:002008-12-22T01:12:00.000+00:00I see, Jimmy.You and Karl Rove would get on real w...I see, Jimmy.<BR/><BR/>You and Karl Rove would get on real well.<BR/><BR/>Despairing Liberal, whatever Quick might think, he is one of the most senior police officers in the country.<BR/>He should know better.<BR/><BR/>I'm not fond of any of the tabloids, but using Nazi epithets is childish.Nigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171835878570773595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57359828688142436662008-12-22T00:29:00.001+00:002008-12-22T00:29:00.001+00:00"The senior policeman, who is in charge of combati..."The senior policeman, who is in charge of combating the Al Qaeda threat, even hires out his personal seven-litre 130mph Jensen sports car through the business.<BR/>One senior Yard source said: ‘Bob Quick needs to ask himself whether he is happy that all this is out and about. There will need to be a review, bearing in mind his position. He needs to review all of this.’<BR/><BR/>Yard sources admitted that the website and promotional material could pose a threat to his personal safety and said they would look at removing some of the details they contain.<BR/><BR/>It is understood that Mr Quick did not inform his superiors that the car hire business was being operated from his home. <BR/><BR/>However, he is not under obligation to do so as it is run by his wife Judith.<BR/>The fact that steps are being taken only now to check for security breaches shows that, since he took up his post in March, there has been no thorough and effective assessment of the Assistant Commissioner’s security."<BR/><BR/>===<BR/><BR/>His own car was available for hire, and all details were on a company website.<BR/>He did not inform his superiors of the business and a possible conflict of interest.<BR/>No thorough and effective risk assessment has been made since he took his position in March.<BR/><BR/>I would say that calls his judgement into question.<BR/><BR/>"The senior officer told the Press Association: "It is an attempt to undermine an investigation which is legitimate. The Tory machinery and their press friends are mobilised against this investigation in a wholly corrupt way, and I feel very disappointed in the country I am living in."<BR/><BR/>====<BR/><BR/>Shows he is biased against the Conservative Party and cannot possibly continue to lead the Damian Green enquiry.yellowbellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12343868465109472378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87043893050966482862008-12-22T00:29:00.000+00:002008-12-22T00:29:00.000+00:00Surely his telephone taps and bugs would have pick...Surely his telephone taps and bugs would have picked up any contact between the Conservative party and the Daily Mail.JMBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862227988978988383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46628013420662747442008-12-22T00:24:00.000+00:002008-12-22T00:24:00.000+00:00It's a fair point. The smear comes from the Hitle...It's a fair point. The smear comes from the Hitler on Sunday, which can be described as part of the wider conservative "family" but plainly not an official party organ. It may well be therefore that the conservative party entirely disapprove of this attack on a police officer's family and spokesmen across the country are as we speak rushing to the television studios to dissociate themselves from it.<BR/><BR/>Any minute I'm sure.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71601479300573778052008-12-22T00:14:00.000+00:002008-12-22T00:14:00.000+00:00Nigel - is it really so surprising given the curre...Nigel - is it really so surprising given the current atmosphere that Quick thinks he is the victim of a conspiracy involving the Hitler on Sunday and leading Tories? If you were him, might you not also leap to such a conclusion if you had been forced to leave your home by it??<BR/><BR/>I think a curse on both NuLab and Tories on this one - NuLab faschists are busy sending tame policeman round to arrest opposition politicians and Tories are hounding policeman's families. My God.<BR/><BR/>Anyone for setting up a new consultancy staffed with UK politicians to train African dictatorships?DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68312384955602961492008-12-21T23:59:00.000+00:002008-12-21T23:59:00.000+00:00Having read the story, I can't see a scintilla of ...Having read the story, I can't see a scintilla of evidence that this came from 'the Tories', as opposed to Mail on Sunday journalists.<BR/><BR/>Being upset by this story is one thing, but to react by saying "...The Tory machinery and their press friends are mobilised against this investigation.<BR/>"I think it is a very spiteful act, possibly to intimidate me away from investigating Mr Green, and I feel it has put my family at risk..."<BR/>and to go on to accuse the party whose MP you are investigating as 'corrupt' is quite another.<BR/><BR/>This is guilt by association.* <BR/>I expect it from the current US Republican party; I am not entirely surprised to see it from Labour politicians; but for a senior police officer conducting a sensitive political enquiry to indulge in it, however angry he might be, is simply unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>*Though it is not entirely clear that the Mail on Sunday is guilty of anything other than very poor judgement.Nigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171835878570773595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79521585611932027592008-12-21T23:03:00.000+00:002008-12-21T23:03:00.000+00:00"4/ So long as the target is someone who is invest..."4/ So long as the target is someone who is investigating a Tory, then anything smearing can be said against said target, even if said police target is also leading the war against terror in the UK."<BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell, all anyone around here - or anywhere else - has said is that he made a gross lapse of judgement and should not continue in this investigation.<BR/><BR/>At no point has anyone accused him of - for arguments sake - of being corrupt.<BR/><BR/>Just that he's said The Wrong Thing at a really Bad Moment to a reporter.<BR/><BR/>If you want baseless smears then I suggest you look in the other chamber.Born Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10844896400169041973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70477660268515528462008-12-21T22:56:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:56:00.000+00:00Iain.This IS a resignation matter. he has shown cr...Iain.<BR/><BR/>This IS a resignation matter. he has shown crass judgement. He has shown naked anti tory bias. He is unfit for the role he has.<BR/><BR/>It shows how political the police have become and remember that this man has beendescribed as the Home Secretaries favourite policeman!! <BR/><BR/>The IPCC Must investigate this and I do believe that Quick has now reached the finishing line on his police career.<BR/><BR/>He has disgraced the uniformstrapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47555211882318421802008-12-21T22:55:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:55:00.000+00:00"6/ Tory bloggers can now openly call for named se..."6/ Tory bloggers can now openly call for named senior police officers to be sacked and that's considered fine and acceptable."<BR/><BR/>Well, yes.<BR/><BR/>If an officer declares to the press that he believes "all acused thieves are guilty" then it's quite clear that no thief (actual or innocent) will be investigated in a fair manner.<BR/><BR/>By calling the conservative party as a whole corrupt - when he's investigating what is in many respects a corruption case he has irredemably destroyed any possible value in his final report.<BR/><BR/>As such he MUST be removed from the investigation - and it is right for bloggers, MPs and my cats to call for his removal.<BR/><BR/>Not only must justice be done it must be seen to be done.Born Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10844896400169041973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54997849643783177622008-12-21T22:54:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:54:00.000+00:00No DespairingLib .. you pretty much missed everyth...No DespairingLib .. you pretty much missed everything and no wonder since all you are doing is putting your own ignorant prejudice in the mouths of your opponents.<BR/><BR/>As a policeman I would have thought Quick would know the meaning of evidence and realise the inadmissibility of hearsay.<BR/><BR/>As a Tory I could not care less about the activities of a senior policeman, whose main issue is dealing with security, allowing a business to be run from his home which by its very nature would attract every Tom Dick and Harry.<BR/><BR/>But I do object when he makes deranged baseless accusations of a political nature. it makes me think he is not as neutral as he ought to be. And the tittle tattle in the Mail makes no reference to his home. HE has put that in danger by his own business dealings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63091881597558714672008-12-21T22:44:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:44:00.000+00:00Brit-In, I'd like to make clear that was not me, i...Brit-In, I'd like to make clear that was not me, in case you are confusing Ian with Iain. And you seem to think that because one blog commenter wrote that, he is speaking for the whole Tory Party. A pretty pathetic insinuation.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65218754024223949672008-12-21T22:43:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:43:00.000+00:00Despairing, err.... the copper launched a complete...Despairing, err.... the copper launched a completely unwarranted attack on the Tories not the other way round. Get your facts right as otherwise you just sound like an idiot.Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21803786389440167322008-12-21T22:42:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:42:00.000+00:00DespairingLiberal, I havent got the time to go int...DespairingLiberal, I havent got the time to go into your points one by one to refute them, but would you please point out where I said he should be sacked? I said he could not lead this investigation. That is something very different.<BR/><BR/>But you rather render your whole comment eminently ignorable when you refer to the Daily Hitler. It was the Mail on Sunday, not the Daily Mail.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26674506213798220702008-12-21T22:41:00.001+00:002008-12-21T22:41:00.001+00:00Ian wrote:In view of this attack on the Party by S...Ian wrote:<BR/><BR/><B>In view of this attack on the Party by Senior Met Officers(and I do not blieve that acting Commissioner Paul Stephenson did not know about if), the Leader should make three points clear<BR/>1) That other events such as the Stockwell Shooting and the botched Wimbledon Common muder investigation, that the Met should be disbanded with a new central London force based on the City of London Force and the existing adjacent County Forces of Essex, Herts, Surrey, Kent etc take on the adjacent outer London Boroughs</B><BR/><BR/>In other words, that investigating an MP in the course of a criminal investigation shall incur wholesale reorganization of the Police Service in retribution.<BR/><BR/><B>2) That if Messrs Quick or Stepehenson are appointed Commissioner that they will be relieved of office on the first day of the next Conservative Government.</B><BR/><BR/>In other words, the next Conservative Government shall immediately interfere in the process of justice as political payback. Bugger the "Separation of Powers".<BR/><BR/><B>3) That if Damien Green is charged and brought to Court, the Leader should state that the Party regard this is a politically motivated and malicious prosecution and publically ask all those called up for Jury Service to find him Not Guilty</B><BR/><BR/>In other words, Ian advocates that the leader of the Conservative Party should commit a clear offence of <I>sub judice</I> by issuing prejudicial statements to a potential jury in order to prevent the administration of a fair trial if the person so named is a member of the Tory Party.<BR/><BR/>Very impressive from the "Party of Law and Order". Very impressive...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02223051729573849977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69381058779734109022008-12-21T22:41:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:41:00.000+00:00The President Elect used to think the governor of ...The President Elect used to think the governor of Illinois was the bee knees. <BR/>He also used to think think his Chief of Staff was pretty clever.<BR/><BR/>Pretty soon you will see the opinions of Obama won't amount to a hill of beans.<BR/><BR/>Quick is clearly deranged and unfit for duty. just like our Prime Minister.<BR/><BR/>"However, Boris's actions have made the Met a political football" -- no, the police's actions in raiding the house of commons without a warrant have done that. <BR/>Thats even if you ignore the issue of Blair's tenure. He received a vote of no confidence by the London assembly back in 2007. <BR/>Lets not forget he lobbied MPs on behalf of the govt over 90 dyas and then we had the shambles of Forrest Gate. <BR/><BR/>Plenty of reasons to say 'no confidence'. And THATS before you consider IT contracts to a mate of his.<BR/><BR/>The MET is in a mess and this Quick outburst typifies it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18691004039872324222008-12-21T22:32:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:32:00.000+00:00Ah, let me try and summarise the views of the New ...Ah, let me try and summarise the views of the New Tories as put forward here.<BR/><BR/>1/ Family members of police officers may not run businesses, especially if the Daily Hitler/London Evening Hitler disaproves.<BR/><BR/>2/ The police are now fair game for Tory attacks.<BR/><BR/>3/ When asked, all leading Tories will deny such attacks are anything to do with the ones they covertly arranged with Daily Hitler journos the day before.<BR/><BR/>4/ So long as the target is someone who is investigating a Tory, then anything smearing can be said against said target, even if said police target is also leading the war against terror in the UK.<BR/><BR/>5/ All this is fine because a Tory MP got arrested.<BR/><BR/>6/ Tory bloggers can now openly call for named senior police officers to be sacked and that's considered fine and acceptable.<BR/><BR/>7/ Er. I think that's pretty much it. Have I missed anything?<BR/><BR/>I think the old and far more honorable Tories must be turning in their graves.<BR/><BR/>Not that I have any brief whatsoever for Smith/Mandleson/Straw's ghastly faschist manouverings, but is this really any better?<BR/><BR/>I expected better in particular of Iain who has up to now led well on this issue, but is now alas descending into the dustbin with the Daily Hitler reptiles and their acolytes.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44949755350551534722008-12-21T22:30:00.000+00:002008-12-21T22:30:00.000+00:00Ok Unsworth, I'll bite. What were these personal ...Ok Unsworth, I'll bite. What were these personal smears against Yates or his family?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.com