tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2805855861704705693..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Is Cameron About to Sack Some MPs?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72586003629944678372009-05-12T15:37:00.000+01:002009-05-12T15:37:00.000+01:00"...and some MPs should be asked to quit at the ne..."...and some MPs should be asked to quit at the next election."<br /><br />A little bit of self-interest involved there, Iain? ;)Andrew Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33149299236009000792009-05-12T15:17:00.000+01:002009-05-12T15:17:00.000+01:00Cameron has'nt the back bone to take any serious a...Cameron has'nt the back bone to take any serious action against the worst offenders. I have lost faith in some of my former heroes in the Party as they have besmirched the title of Right Honourable member.Sleaze is back, and the view that the leader has lead them back as an electable alternative has had a serious set back.Ex Tory,now UKIPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39255812345446522332009-05-12T15:15:00.000+01:002009-05-12T15:15:00.000+01:00Cameron has'nt the back bone to take any serious a...Cameron has'nt the back bone to take any serious action against the worst offenders. I have lost faith in some of my former heroes in the Party as they have besmirched the title of Right Honourable member.Sleaze is back, and the view that the leader has lead them back as an electable alternative has had a serious set back.Ex Tory,now UKIPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31221436670160674012009-05-12T13:56:00.000+01:002009-05-12T13:56:00.000+01:00Even if Gordon Brown sacked the whole cabinet and ...Even if Gordon Brown sacked the whole cabinet and then resigned himself, it wouldn't be good enough. <br /><br />I'm so angry about this, I'm currently refusing to participate in paying any tax at all. <br />Bollocks to them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48506658963725051942009-05-12T13:02:00.000+01:002009-05-12T13:02:00.000+01:00David Cameron is mistaken to believe that if MPs s...David Cameron is mistaken to believe that if MPs say sorry and repay their fiddled expenses it will be alright.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57234038399315274582009-05-12T12:45:00.000+01:002009-05-12T12:45:00.000+01:00I hope so, it would begin to set the right example...I hope so, it would begin to set the right example for the long road to reverse the problems generated in the last 12 years - but I'm not holding my breath. <br />Incapability Brown will not follow suit and Clegg dare not ( too few people to lose).<br />Sadly, we may see one or two scalps, but not much else - and the ship of shame, err, sorry, state will plough on.<br />If you listen carefully, that whirring sound is the noise of "honourable" Members of the past ( of both left and right) spinning in their graves and wondering what it was all for !David Hughesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55610710015743669252009-05-12T11:55:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:55:00.000+01:00Very cautious about all this aren't you?
Shouldn't...Very cautious about all this aren't you?<br />Shouldn't you be asking, what is Cameron's proposed alternative to 'additional costs allowances'?<br />Or is it the same as all his other policies, do nothing?<br /><br />Tra laa!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41324220602446794852009-05-12T11:54:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:54:00.000+01:00I'm guessing at withdrawing the whip is for starte...I'm guessing at withdrawing the whip is for starters and initiating disciplinary actions (hence the lawyers). <br /><br />I suspect Dave will act today so he's got some depleted uranium rounds to fire at Brown for PMQ tomorrow. Now that would be politically explosive for Brown.<br /><br />Personally, I think these 'grandees' should all get the sack. Ancram especially for his traitorous 'pamphlet' last year. Also, many of these 'grandees' were impediments to the reform we needed.Mike Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47023964948180794362009-05-12T11:49:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:49:00.000+01:00Good. Surprised it only just seems to have occurre...Good. Surprised it only just seems to have occurred to him, but good.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896235681242722952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32277908138039424512009-05-12T11:45:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:45:00.000+01:00Cameron needs to draw a clear line that he can jus...Cameron needs to draw a clear line that he can justify and then deal with those who have crossed it. Fudging the issue with a few sacrificial lambs will not do. It is not an easy job, but if he does it properly he will take the country with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21416558726811131872009-05-12T11:26:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:26:00.000+01:00The answers are these Dave.
MP's to pay back the ...The answers are these Dave.<br /><br />MP's to pay back the excess claims.<br /><br />Make those caught apply to be reselected by their constituency party ( or not).<br /><br />Move John Redwood onto the front bench immeadiately ( preferably as shadow chancellor) if not in a special role as Head of operation " Economic Restoration"wolfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03480388544439279850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80817589106761603032009-05-12T11:16:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:16:00.000+01:00There's a lot to be thought through Iain.
I think...There's a lot to be thought through Iain.<br /><br />I think given the permutations and combinations it would be difficult for anyone to get sacked (never mind justifying why if they are dare I say it "within the rules")<br /><br />Shameless plugging on my behalf, but some musings from me<br /><br />http://ub41.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-can-party-leaders-do.html<br /><br />I think the Pay It Back option is the only one really open to the parties at the moment, however I can see that descending into a farce if they're not carefulUB41https://www.blogger.com/profile/14788924456147106557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78674910625382057512009-05-12T11:14:00.001+01:002009-05-12T11:14:00.001+01:00David Cameron will boost his popularity and will e...David Cameron will boost his popularity and will enhance his party's chances if he takes courage and sack those infidels like Grayling, Duncan, Letwin, Gove etc.. polluting his front bench<br /><br />The Tory party does not look good<br />with David Davis furnishing his house, Spicer hanging chandelier, Hogg cleaning moats, Heathcoat-Amory on horse manure all billed to the hapless tax payers. Where does it say These MPs should enhance their property value and enrich property portfolios and how do these nefarious practices square up with their work in their constituencies?<br /><br />I do not agree as a Tory voter, that Tory MPs came out light. What will comeback to haunt Cameron, is the sleaze tag John Major carried. Voters will say, rightly so, that Tory party has not changed and it is as sleazy as ever.<br /><br />It is a good opportunity presented to him and Hague and other clean front benchers to get rid of the sleazebags in the front bench and ask the constituencies to deselect tainted ones like David Davis ( who should be ashamed), Hogg, Spicer and Heath-coat Amory. Otherwise, Tory voters will melt away and stay at home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16338878419758844512009-05-12T11:14:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:14:00.000+01:00Good. I note that James Arbuthnot is about to rep...Good. I note that James Arbuthnot is about to replace Maria Miller as my MP at the next election (boundary changes) and I have no desire to either vote for him or subsidise his ponies and alpacas. He looks like he is doing a Jacqui Smith - wife, kids, ponies and alpacas at his second home? Please I am about to see my taxes go up again and may have to rethink my daughter's education. I am struggling to vote Conservative at the moment, and am reconsidering having agreed to stand as a Conservative for our parish council, having just been asked to by our local Conservatives.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12748403770651272620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4540711154907770022009-05-12T11:12:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:12:00.000+01:00I share everyone else's anger at the expenses scan...I share everyone else's anger at the expenses scandal but I'm concerned that Cameron could be about to behead some very good MPs as scapegoats for a rotten system. Having watched a lot of Parliamentary proceedings over the years people like Hogg and David Davis for example would be very high on my list of the best MPs in Parliament.Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39864713480960788592009-05-12T11:11:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:11:00.000+01:00Ex-drug dealer says he can claim MPs with their ex...<A HREF="http://thatsnews.blogspot.com/2009/05/ex-drug-dealer-says-i-can-help-mps-with.html" REL="nofollow">Ex-drug dealer says he can claim MPs with their expenses claims</A>Sounds interesting!Thats Newshttp://thatsnews.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81302855800056771272009-05-12T11:09:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:09:00.000+01:00What is really worrying is that MP's still do not ...What is really worrying is that MP's still do not understand the anger of the public. Nadine is treading on dangerous ground when she says she is going to defend the "majority" of hard working wonderfully parsimonius MP's. Another MP dismissed my concerns with alarming arrogance.<br /><br />I have voted Conservative at every election for the last 30 years. I am voting UKIP in June. Maybe then they will get the message.Moghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03216460767960258141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24231040348639853382009-05-12T11:01:00.000+01:002009-05-12T11:01:00.000+01:00He must take the moral high ground. Maude and Ancr...He must take the moral high ground. Maude and Ancram should resign. Hogg and Willets, Arbuthnot and Spicer should stand down and seek re-election now. Gove and Lansley have legitimate excuse and should stay with Cameron’s support. Duncan should express remorse and repay, as should Letwin. <br /><br />That should put HMG on notice that their time is up.<br /><br />And a No Confidence motion against Squealer Martin should be on a three-line whip.Glyn Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756226316614600769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31682613224751994682009-05-12T10:58:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:58:00.000+01:00What is so damaging are comments about hanging cha...What is so damaging are comments about hanging chandeliers and cleaning moats. It really does give the impression of the 'Tory Toff'. Very few politicians are going to smell of roses after all this.Dr Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00176521760477086914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10873260073865782732009-05-12T10:52:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:52:00.000+01:00DC has Broon by the bollocks on this one. Would Br...DC has Broon by the bollocks on this one. Would Broon dare sack what we so far believe to be his worst offenders, who are probably THE worst offenders of all....Blears, Hoon, Smith and so on.<br /><br />Our front bench by comparison were relatively clean.<br /><br />Claims fall into two camps as I see it<br /><br />1.<br />Claims that wholly exploit the weaknesses in the system with, malice aforethought, to enable the claimant to build up an asset portfolio or cash reserve at the tax-payers expense, whilst dodging the tax liability. The best example is quite clearly Hazel Blears but Hoon and and Darling appear to have done similar.<br /><br /><br />2.<br />Making claims that were well within the rules but were only allowable because the rules are so pitifully pathetic.<br /><br />That is what most of our lot have done to be honest<br /><br />If DC sacks someone and forces them to step down at the next election then Broon could only respond by sacking Blears and I am not sure that he would dare. He is too weak.The Town Crierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09971725329811922213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8824121769536531702009-05-12T10:39:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:39:00.000+01:00David Cameron should place the Conservative party ...David Cameron should place the Conservative party in an unassailable position of high moral authority over New Labour if he takes the initiative and sacks all the MP’s in his shadow ministerial team who have plainly been “troughing it” at the taxpayers expense as well as forcing them to repay their ill-gotten gains to the public purse. He should also make it clear to local Conservatives that he will expect them to de-select rank and file MP's who have also been “troughing it”. History tells us that we should not anticipate Brown having the guts to do the same with the New Labour party.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007476683582095027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2839249484717127362009-05-12T10:36:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:36:00.000+01:00Here's what I would do to deal with the "expenses ...Here's what I would do to deal with the "expenses crisis" and hit Labour with a torpedo.<br /><br />Knowing full well that Tory MPs have not exploited the system to anything like the extent to which Labour MPs (and Peers) have, I would demand that sitting MPs repay ALL their expenses (above so much per month) for the period since 1997, including any Capital Gains on house transactions involved in House expenses claims and NOT in their constituencies (indexed against inflation). All those who did not agree would have the Whip removed. And then it would be:<br /><br /><B>Over to you property moguls, Hazel Blears, Alastair Darling, McNulty, Margaret Moran, and their leader, Gordon Brown ...</B>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075709771275954520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5342682570858182132009-05-12T10:34:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:34:00.000+01:00He did look genuinely angry this morning on Sky. I...He did look genuinely angry this morning on Sky. I hope so.<br /><br />I've put it up on YouTube if anyone's interested, I guess you can find your way there if you want to see it.<br /><br />Iain, feel free to embed any videos.Swiss Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732145048794762624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66732393093405212522009-05-12T10:32:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:32:00.000+01:00Again this would be a hostage to fortune if done b...Again this would be a hostage to fortune if done before the Telegraph have printed all their stuff. What if something worse comes out?neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22978389399988098512009-05-12T10:28:00.000+01:002009-05-12T10:28:00.000+01:00Dave must go for it. I agree that lawyers may be ...Dave must go for it. I agree that lawyers may be more cautious, however it gives his decisions legitimacy rather than 'doing a McBride' hatchet-job on those he's percieved to dislike.Platohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416276749202589235noreply@blogger.com