tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2427723650119282415..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: A New Dawn Has Broken, Has It Not?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63671476389406062702010-05-12T06:52:22.649+01:002010-05-12T06:52:22.649+01:00@ Evensong
"...Labour's bruised egos wi...@ Evensong <br /><br />"...Labour's bruised egos will plot and spread poison now they have been cast out of power."<br /><br />I wouldn't lose too much sleep over that as ZaNuLab are going to have enough on their plates dodging the flying shit when their cooking of the national books over the last thirteen years is exposed.Jabba the Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378736389976858775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32541522443388287632010-05-11T23:51:21.152+01:002010-05-11T23:51:21.152+01:00Despairing Liberal, if you had bothered to read my...Despairing Liberal, if you had bothered to read my post properly then you will realise my concern is how Labour's bruised egos will plot and spread poison now they have been cast out of power. They have lied, cheated and used people in the past, and they will carry on their disgusting games. People like Mandleson have their useful idiots in all parties; if you think he or others in the Labour machinery won't use their resources to fight the coalition then you are unbelievably naive. They won't care about the 'national interest' in policies; they will want to point to even the tiniest chink in the coalition and exaggerate it to the hilt until something gives and they can build a surge of support. <br /><br />If the union was basking in the glow of a budget surplus, over-achieving education, positive pensions and fair tax system then the job would be challenging enough. But it isn't - and that makes the task ahead for Both Cameron and Clegg an awful lot more difficult and the opportunities for Labour to capitalise on potentially unpopular decisions manifold. <br /><br />As much as I was minded the arrangement would be better for the Conservatives for the LibDems to hook up with Labour, now that it is likely to become reality I for one hope the coalition does succeed and be a real move forwards for this country. But how Cameron deals with the fringes of the Conservatives - and Clegg in turn the LibDems - will be interesting to see; they exist and the coalition will be a battle on two fronts, inside as well as out against the opposition. Don't even try to pretend this will not be the case.Evensonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03483071540669512423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39755142016646466492010-05-11T23:43:37.001+01:002010-05-11T23:43:37.001+01:00I think this development is great news for British...I think this development is great news for British politics and its knock-on effects for the political landscape. <br /><br />I think a coalition government could prove to be much more democratic, where there are fundamental differences in opinion the only resolution is often to promise a referenda, the most direct form of democracy that has been completely absent from Britain for far too long. There are already hints of this with Europe and the electoral system.<br /><br />Gone are the days of broken promises by Labour who promise referenda only to go back on them when the results are likely to go against what they want. <br /><br />I can see the Labour party making the mistake of moving to the left in desperation and they will fall flat on their face just as they did in the 1980s and just as the Tories did in the 90s and 00s.Liberal democathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01334393951142288326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36036442469328357122010-05-11T23:42:25.526+01:002010-05-11T23:42:25.526+01:00This is a very exciting time for British politics....This is a very exciting time for British politics. This will change the political landscape and hopefully bring about a time of cooperation and agreement rather than mindless bickering. <br /><br />I hope one of the side effects of a coalition government will be an increased use of referenda. The purest form of democracy that has been sadly lacking from British politics for far too long. The only way to settle fundamental polar differences for the Lib Dems and Tories will be to put it to a vote of the people. There are signs of this already in the areas of the EU and electoral reform. <br /><br />Hopefully, gone are the days of broken Labour promises on referenda where they promise us a say until they become worried it contradicts their position. <br /><br />Hopefully Clegg's influence and the loss of Mandleson and Campbell involvement will clean up British politics and end the era of spin and lies. <br /><br /><br />Will be interesting to see the reaction of the pro-Tory press who spent so much time hammering Clegg.Liberal democathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01334393951142288326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47631028643049755122010-05-11T22:37:42.685+01:002010-05-11T22:37:42.685+01:00And a Minister for the Interwebs? Perhaps you coul...And a Minister for the Interwebs? Perhaps you could take the ermine Iain.madbreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00861847280034966379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4633641395873298032010-05-11T22:33:56.330+01:002010-05-11T22:33:56.330+01:00"Brown used the world "I" and "..."Brown used the world "I" and "me" twice in virtually every sentence...[he] came out of that speech looking like a massive ego-maniac...Controlling, centralised and self-obsessed. Even the timing of his resignation was about him."<br /><br />He is a malignant narcissist, which is why those who see themselves on the Left instinctively saw him as "one of us".wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46766153136655182792010-05-11T22:05:53.327+01:002010-05-11T22:05:53.327+01:00Evensong, I don't think you understand the con...Evensong, I don't think you understand the concept of "coalition", judging from what you believe LibDems are up to. Some of the comments here are sadly indicative of Backwoods Toryism, therefore giving some indication of troubles to come. Luckily, the new coalition government will be used by Cameron to by-pass the headbangers and rule with a centrist agenda. Many of you are going to be disappointed!DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24413928108818995412010-05-11T21:33:53.834+01:002010-05-11T21:33:53.834+01:00I'm relieved the shaningans is over, trying to...I'm relieved the shaningans is over, trying to be optimistic about the future yet wary of how the hard decisions that must be taken will be implemented and managed.<br /><br />I'm also astonished that anyone thinks the events of today mean we have rid ourselves of the disgrace to politics that is Mandleson, Campbell, Whelan and Balls. They are in opposition. They still have their contacts, their media lackeys and their narks in the LibDems. They will already be discussing how to wreck every decision, call in favours and set up leaks. Cameron and Clegg will be fighting from within to make any headway and Labour will be back to peddling their lies and their spin within hours, starting with the LibDem meeting this evening.Evensonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03483071540669512423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39892039091059466442010-05-11T21:16:01.690+01:002010-05-11T21:16:01.690+01:00It was amazing to hear the contrast between Brown ...It was amazing to hear the contrast between Brown and Cameron. <br /><br />Brown used the world "I" and "me" twice in virtually every sentence. It was all about how he helped the UK. Brown came out of that speech looking like a massive ego-maniac who formed a Government in his own image. Controlling, centralised and self-obsessed. Even the timing of his resignation was about him. <br /><br />Cameron came across as a team player. He used the word "us" and "we" in every sentence. A real team player. <br /><br />Sometimes you don't realised quite how self obsessed Government has become. When I heard Brown speak I didn't realise it. Once I heard Cameron speak it was obvious.javelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685858339910528013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3155378914472514662010-05-11T21:14:15.491+01:002010-05-11T21:14:15.491+01:00Charlie Whelan is right. Those in our party who s...Charlie Whelan is right. Those in our party who still believe that government is an unwelcome distraction from politics should go off and do PhDs. We had a chance to stop this but we blew it. So good luck to you. I've never rated Cameron and still suspect the changes are cosmetic but only the most naked tribalist would wish him to fail and it would be churlish not to congratulate you. His generous remarks about the outgoing government reflect well on him, but then Thatcher quoted St Francis and look how that turned out. We'll see.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43428148927624021682010-05-11T21:04:34.463+01:002010-05-11T21:04:34.463+01:00Err no, I rather think not. A centre left party in...Err no, I rather think not. A centre left party in power has been replaced by a centre left coalition in power. The substance of government won't change much, just the personalities.Salmondnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04135160187810480222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29451681363344569032010-05-11T21:04:34.464+01:002010-05-11T21:04:34.464+01:00fantastic!
this is going to be fucking hilariousfantastic!<br /><br />this is going to be fucking hilariousthehoatzinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13080787665247014405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43422030642160807042010-05-11T21:01:41.138+01:002010-05-11T21:01:41.138+01:00Cameron has given way too much ground, way too muc...Cameron has given way too much ground, way too much, and he will quickly come to regret it.<br /><br />The Libs will enjoy the kudos this gives them and then back off when the going gets rough. <br /><br />Tories will carry the can.awkwardgadgeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630247572900639086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21968226913527504442010-05-11T20:36:15.886+01:002010-05-11T20:36:15.886+01:00killemallletgodsortemout said "You may be a b...killemallletgodsortemout said "You may be a bit gay, but you're decent."<br /><br />WTF ?!?!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01155056467994240467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62463157566355554292010-05-11T20:32:57.137+01:002010-05-11T20:32:57.137+01:00Paddy Ashdown in the Cabinet? Inconceivable. It wa...Paddy Ashdown in the Cabinet? Inconceivable. It was he pushing Clegg into the arms of Labour. There is a theory about keeping troublemakers close. But the Cabinet is far too close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24817396909715546042010-05-11T20:26:49.437+01:002010-05-11T20:26:49.437+01:00***So now a time of trial for the poor, the sick, ...***So now a time of trial for the poor, the sick, the unemployed arrives in the UK.***<br /><br />Lowest social mobility, MRSA, 2.5m out of work? Must have happened under some other party.Steve Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15992098012803570361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13436374072516082452010-05-11T20:26:49.438+01:002010-05-11T20:26:49.438+01:00Well, let's hope it's a new dawn. I fear ...Well, let's hope it's a new dawn. I fear that the Labour Party will continue as before, not learning the lessons, continuing to fight an irrelevant class war.<br /><br />But it's an opportunity to rectify the wrongs and to start rebuilding this battered nation. It's going to be a tough few years and we'll be severely tested.<br /><br />I'd add a personal comment about you Iain - and that is that you've certainly played a tremendous part in this hard won battle. Very well done.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36398673491163000232010-05-11T20:24:05.653+01:002010-05-11T20:24:05.653+01:00"So now a time of trial for the poor, the sic..."So now a time of trial for the poor, the sick, the unemployed arrives in the UK."<br /><br />It you cared about poverty you would not be on the Left. All that motivates you is hatred. Read a history of the Left sometime, you might learn something about yourself.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11117231041522551342010-05-11T20:14:30.174+01:002010-05-11T20:14:30.174+01:00@ Paul Halsall said...
"So now a time of tri...@ Paul Halsall said...<br /><br />"So now a time of trial for the poor, the sick, the unemployed arrives in the UK."<br /><br />Gosh, horror of horrors, you'll have to get a real job at last.Jabba the Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08378736389976858775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44506615609005412492010-05-11T20:11:57.943+01:002010-05-11T20:11:57.943+01:00I do not believe it - but there is actually a rai...I do not believe it - but there is actually a rainbow over Buckingham Palace as Cameron arrives !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29642930786545719712010-05-11T20:11:57.944+01:002010-05-11T20:11:57.944+01:00"Lib Dem's are big winners"
Yes the..."Lib Dem's are big winners"<br /><br />Yes they have certainly smashed the lie that they are two timing whores who put party interest above the Country.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61080235411801696852010-05-11T20:07:19.774+01:002010-05-11T20:07:19.774+01:00'superb resignation statement' ?? (re your...'superb resignation statement' ?? (re your twitter)<br /><br />It was a load of typical self serving drivel. His words on our servicemen were sickening given how he has treated them. <br /><br />Thank god Mr Dale you are not a tory MP. You are a good chap but too nice to be in politics. Brown deserves nothing for his miserable efforts, no praise what so ever.<br /><br />Look we have a 90 billion structural deficit. All Brown has achieved is on the back of spending money he did not have. And more ... he spent all that money to manoeuvre himself into a position of power and influence and to undermine his own Prime Minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29027088682089438052010-05-11T20:03:52.376+01:002010-05-11T20:03:52.376+01:00Just a thought - this is the end of the LibDems be...Just a thought - this is the end of the LibDems being able to fight every campaign as a purely local phenomenon, isn't it. They can never again pretend that only drains and stray dogs matter.<br /><br />Power <i><b>with</b></i> responsibility. Ho ho ho!Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14995216916961747192010-05-11T20:03:52.375+01:002010-05-11T20:03:52.375+01:00good riddance to New Labour. May they never come b...good riddance to New Labour. May they never come back. Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76229159509113582092010-05-11T19:57:56.720+01:002010-05-11T19:57:56.720+01:00I hope that David Cameron can block Mandelson'...I hope that David Cameron can block Mandelson's ambitions to be EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs. If it is true that he is trying to undermine Baroness Ashton (no matter how poorly she is supposed to be performing) it just proves how untrustworthy he is. It would also be an appropriate "payback" for all the sh*t he has stirred up over the years and the dodgy dealings he appears to have been involved in.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13562293810093803349noreply@blogger.com