tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2046201156126105414..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Ken & Mandy Show on C4 NewsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81162006773742434912010-01-28T11:15:35.793+00:002010-01-28T11:15:35.793+00:00Hardly "wiped the floor". Ken couldn'...Hardly "wiped the floor". Ken couldn't get a word in edgeways. Not that Mandy said anything of significance, other than some sort of coded defence of continuation of PFI and large-scale government support of bloated contractor companies, which is what he was talking about with all that blather about "continued public investment".<br /><br />One quite literally despairs about the future of Britain when observing such clownish nonsense from a man who is supposed to be the PM's top advisor and a leader in the EU. Mandleson is a political faker and joker first and foremost - all of his supposed "expertise" is so much fluff.<br /><br />Ken Clarke, when he is allowed to speak, makes far more sense if he has time to build arguments. He would be a much better chancellor than Osborne and would inspire more confidence in both business and the voters. Shame he isn't the shadow chancellor really. Maybe Cameron will see the light at some point.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77956725352233097142010-01-28T04:50:26.599+00:002010-01-28T04:50:26.599+00:00"Despite his loyalty to the party leadership,..."Despite his loyalty to the party leadership, he is not afraid to put forward his own ideas. The Government should, he says, consider cutting VAT to 15 per cent in the Pre-Budget Report on Monday - an idea that is certainly not Tory party policy. “If it's possible to afford a fiscal stimulus I would go for VAT because the only case for a fiscal stimulus is to stimulate spending and consumer demand, so the tax on spending is the one to go for. But it should be temporary.”<br /><br />Ken Clarke, Times 22/11/08<br /><br />Sad to see the old bruiser reduced to this.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16278214048920443282010-01-27T21:17:21.054+00:002010-01-27T21:17:21.054+00:00I did not enjoy it. Quite the opposite. KC wasn&...I did not enjoy it. Quite the opposite. KC wasn't allowed to finish a sentence.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234085314662011091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2151478279013153892010-01-27T16:24:22.837+00:002010-01-27T16:24:22.837+00:00Crikey. Couldn't someone, Clarke, Snow, anyone...Crikey. Couldn't someone, Clarke, Snow, anyone, have just told Mandelson to shut up interupting while Clarke was speaking!?Geniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446657759863177549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69359590279389258502010-01-27T13:23:25.099+00:002010-01-27T13:23:25.099+00:00Mandy had all the composure of *that* Channel 4 ne...Mandy had all the composure of *that* Channel 4 news appearance when Alistair Campbell stormed the building.<br /><br />Ken didn't wipe the floor with anyone or anything - he simply didn't have to.Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11182144080955551878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77746546714014577992010-01-27T12:58:25.791+00:002010-01-27T12:58:25.791+00:00" Man in a Shed said...
Again you see standar..." Man in a Shed said...<br />Again you see standard Labour interview style:<br /><br />Lie like there's no tomorrow and then interupt your opposite number every 2 seconds ( even when they haven't done this to you ).<br /><br />All Labour types do this. They don't want debate and the public to understand what is going on. They are just socialist thugs and anti-democratic."<br /><br />Completely agree with this. Woolas was on Daily Politics just now doing exactly the same thing. Wittering on in a 'throw enough words at the question and maybe some of them will stick and sound half-way intelligent' way as ever.<br /><br />Why can't presenters control these interviews? At least Andrew Neil had the sense to shut him up today...Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06677238644602042467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22514657743621331492010-01-27T12:37:56.528+00:002010-01-27T12:37:56.528+00:00As usual on C4 SadOldLefty Snow failed completely ...As usual on C4 SadOldLefty Snow failed completely to get anything useful out of his interviewees. The whole thing was a disorganised shouting match with half of Ken's comments drowned out by Lord Meddlesome's interruptions and rude comments. I knew SadOldLefty wouldnt let it be a fair contest as he has never given a Tory speaker a levelplaying field but to show no ability to control Meddlesome made me wonder what C4 pay him for.<br /><br />However what I did hear of Ken's replies seemed to be good solid stuff and made Meddlesome look as shallow as he really is.<br /><br />Let's hope SadOldLefty has no part to play in the party leaders debates (if they ever happen)JohnRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07021101596935644363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30699393358996768292010-01-27T12:22:36.608+00:002010-01-27T12:22:36.608+00:00I would say: poor rubbish by both, no solutions, n...I would say: poor rubbish by both, no solutions, no perspective. By no means will any of the two be able to avoid the avalache coming up, ehhh down!caw rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03252346486811877343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6700801490365080302010-01-27T11:09:46.942+00:002010-01-27T11:09:46.942+00:00I don't agree with "wiped the floor at al...I don't agree with "wiped the floor at all". Ken was of course right & reasonable but that doesn't cut it.<br /><br />Firstly John Snow interrupted Ken a few seconds into his first answer after giving Mandy full time & Ken was interrupted reapeatedly thereafter. Second the camera was placed on Mandy's side putting him in the foreground & Ken in the background throughout. Both of these are largely broadcaster bias.<br /><br />Mandy had the best single line - "the real heroes of the recession are the small businesses that have cut costs" which Ken could & should have countered by agreeing & pointing out that this has been negated by government massively expanding its & everybody else's costs - Ken did get in the fact that government is now above 50% of the economy - his best point. Mandy also got away with calling Labour spending "investment" when it is no such thing, merely running costs. He even then reversed himself saying the high spending is needed to stop public employees starving which shows he knows "investment" is a lie.<br /><br />The anti-Labour case is so overwhelming that only somebody as slippery as Mandy, helped by the broadcaster, could get away with this against as sensible a fellow as Ken. <br /><br />My guess is that Mandy knows perfectly well that we desoerately need real investment & that business is far & away better at doing it than government - which is all the Tories need to say.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80853376636778123272010-01-27T09:43:50.512+00:002010-01-27T09:43:50.512+00:00Ken did not wipe the floor with Mandy. Mandy self ...Ken did not wipe the floor with Mandy. Mandy self destructed. He was slimy sinister and oozed insincerity.<br />In fact, now I come to think of it he was like a cross between the snake Kaa in the Jungle Book and Uriah Heep in David Copperfield. If I had been Ken Clarke I would have run screaming from the studio, jumped into a shower and burnt all my clothes lest he infected me. <br />On that performance I hope Mandy fronts up the Labour Party election campaign. He'll terrify the voters into voting ToryUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09377714749848742937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35763280793357974292010-01-27T09:13:31.953+00:002010-01-27T09:13:31.953+00:00Sorry Iain - I agree with many here. Ken was not o...Sorry Iain - I agree with many here. Ken was not on his usual robust form and allowed Mandy to spoil his message.vervetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70866483623163512842010-01-27T09:12:27.281+00:002010-01-27T09:12:27.281+00:00Wiped the floor with Mandelson?
Mandy didn't ...Wiped the floor with Mandelson?<br /><br />Mandy didn't shut up - which stopped Clarke landing any blows. <br /><br />Labour's strategy is to talk gob-shite at 1'000 miles per hour and drown out reality. <br /><br />This tactic means that floating voters only will hear two arseholes jabbering on and any clarity of thought or flirtation with the truth is completely lost.Billy Blofeldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02973682006107803539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34601082182563985042010-01-27T05:27:27.886+00:002010-01-27T05:27:27.886+00:00were you watching the same interview Iain? "w...were you watching the same interview Iain? "wiped the floor"?! You're getting more carried away the closer we get to election time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87040481095475475522010-01-27T04:07:05.881+00:002010-01-27T04:07:05.881+00:00On the issues, figures released yesterday showed g...On the issues, figures released yesterday showed government revenues in April-December 2009 down £30 billion on 2008. Darling's target for revenues in the PBR was to get the same as 2008. Impossible. <br /><br />A £40 billion shortfall is likely. He must have known this as he delivered the PBR.<br /><br />Politics is all words and no figures. <br /><br />Money is all figures. No words needed.<br /><br />Revenues.<br />April 2008. £606 billion<br />April 2009. £496 billion<br />April 2010 £455 billion(e)<br /><br />Spending<br /><br />This is the real curiosity. December showed a drop in spending of £60 billion on the PBR projections, due to some shifty footwork (accounting adjustments).<br /><br />Labour are preparing a Budget which will claim that the borrowing requirement is down £20 billion, even though revenues are down £40 billion.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14230896524429162762010-01-27T00:32:42.506+00:002010-01-27T00:32:42.506+00:00You have to admire Mandelson, but Ken Clarke came ...You have to admire Mandelson, but Ken Clarke came off better in this case.Magical_Misthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07446193963152993371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89243529879979551772010-01-27T00:25:32.818+00:002010-01-27T00:25:32.818+00:00Man in a Shed said:
"Again you see standard L...Man in a Shed said:<br />"Again you see standard Labour interview style:<br /><br />Lie like there's no tomorrow and then interupt your opposite number every 2 seconds ( even when they haven't done this to you ).<br /><br />All Labour types do this. They don't want debate and the public to understand what is going on. They are just socialist thugs and anti-democratic.<br /><br />January 26, 2010 9:04 PM"<br /><br />This. Absolutely spot on - it's deliberate. But it doesn't matter.<br />1) Nobody except Labour leaning political junkies watch Snow's pathetic attempt at a news programme.<br />2) For neutral voters, the body language was a total giveaway, Mandelson just looked like a crooked huckster frightened to give Clarke his say, and Clarke looked like the avuncular, experienced man who actually knows what he is talking about.<br />Mandelson looked desperate.Dimotonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65283619586269092712010-01-26T23:53:57.597+00:002010-01-26T23:53:57.597+00:00I can see why all bods get so excited on your blog...I can see why all bods get so excited on your blog. Politics seems to draw blood from everywhere.<br /><br />Did you say that you were unhappy with those who post under 'anonymous', you were going to clampdown were you not?<br /><br />How many are there posting on the same thread. Styles vary, so there must be a few of them.True Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296161522047947133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72330189112726833172010-01-26T23:18:32.509+00:002010-01-26T23:18:32.509+00:00Osborne wants to remove Capital Allowances which M...Osborne wants to remove Capital Allowances which Mandelson does not??<br />Perhaps he ought to read the Budgets for the last few years (not decades but try the last one in isolation) and see what the one-eyed Labour Chancellor has done to IBAs and other Capital Allowances that increase the Corporation Tax take to the Exchequer. And if you have an interviewer with no business tax knowledge Mandelson gets away with another load of lies.Beancounternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66113440654037186352010-01-26T22:53:09.077+00:002010-01-26T22:53:09.077+00:00Paxman has asked Darling the key question - we had...Paxman has asked Darling the key question - we had a structural deficit going into the recession, how can labour cut the deficit now?<br /><br />Darlings answer was very weak - we were building schools and hospitals. We have a 1% increase in NI to fund NHS spending. <br /><br />Darling was absolutely hopeless! And Paxman has asked his first sensible question I think in 10 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2520498293501549782010-01-26T22:51:55.248+00:002010-01-26T22:51:55.248+00:00You must have been watching a different couple of ...You must have been watching a different couple of clips Iain! No floor wiping at all - indeed, if anything was damaging Mandy it was his own meandering answers!<br /><br />Though fair play to Ken... the way Mandy kept going 'But you agree with me' and pawing his arm, he must have tempted to lamp him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2990646323773271142010-01-26T22:33:38.539+00:002010-01-26T22:33:38.539+00:00Had I been sitting where Ken Clarke was I do not t...Had I been sitting where Ken Clarke was I do not think I could have stopped myself punching that imbecile crook Mandy. What was Snow doing allowing the idiot to dribble his insulting bilge overe everything Ken tried to say/<br /><br />New Labour the friend of the Private Sector ...can he really be allowed to get away with that ?I can only imagine that Snow is becoming senile , he seemed to have no grip on the subject at allNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9795424518250132512010-01-26T22:32:30.644+00:002010-01-26T22:32:30.644+00:00jon snow had no control over mandelson at all, he ...jon snow had no control over mandelson at all, he was pathetic, areally amateur preformance.<br /><br />mandelson clearly cant win the argument so all he has left is to badger, interupt and obscure the argumentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59033275123074782352010-01-26T22:29:35.343+00:002010-01-26T22:29:35.343+00:00@ Strapworld
"Mandleson's hair dye was p...@ Strapworld<br /><br />"Mandleson's hair dye was pretty though..."<br /><br />I'm sorry, but that looks suspiciously like a hairpiece to me.<br /><br />WGWalsingham's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813400475845295850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40256377718496305872010-01-26T22:20:38.529+00:002010-01-26T22:20:38.529+00:00Sorry to say Ken lied in this TV interview. Much ...Sorry to say Ken lied in this TV interview. Much as I hate Labout, detest Brown and everything they stand for I donlt want tories lying.<br /><br />Ken's usual position is to sya he disagrees but follows the party line. That would have been good enough for me. <br /><br />http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5209367.eceFonyBlairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08960051001993635260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33724224039164328792010-01-26T21:40:12.401+00:002010-01-26T21:40:12.401+00:00I have to agree with most of the posters here. Ken...I have to agree with most of the posters here. Ken Clarke couldn't get a word in edgewise. Mandelson knows they are in for a hiding at the election so he uses all his dark arts to obfuscate and disrupt. I think most people can see through him now though. His days of wispering poison are coming to an end.Call me Infidelnoreply@blogger.com